r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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u/Comnena Mar 18 '18

Thank you for bringing the receipts. A Reverse Apartheid?? Really??? What bullshit. Apartheid was a full integrated, state-sanctioned, legal system specifically designed to discriminate against and denigrate the original occupiers of the land on which white people arrived. This is not a reverse apartheid.

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u/ilikepies9001 Mar 18 '18

"original" occupiers? Learn your sa history mate.

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u/Comnena Mar 18 '18

If you know something the anthropological community doesn't about how various indigenous African societies have not in fact lived in the South Africa region for thousands of years prior to the arrival of Europeans then I don't know why you're announcing it here on Reddit, you should be preparing your paper for academic journals quick smart!

Or, if what you are implying is that the Boer and British colonisation of South Africa is exempt from the moral issues associated with colonialism because the people who lived in the South African geographical region at various points throughout history have changed due to internal migrations and power struggles, and therefore the migration of European settlers is in some way equivalent to these internal social changes and the people who lived their prior have no claim to their land or an expectation of being treated as anything other than one more set of interlopers able to be forced out by the next bunch of people who come along, then I think we both know that is not true.

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u/Th3cz Mar 18 '18

It seems like you are not aware of the fact that the blacks living in and running SA today isn't the original people of those lands. Learn some history mate. The blacks there today came from tribes from the north in the 1600s at the same time as the Boer came and looked to settle unoccupied lands which they did from the south. Then they met each other at a river

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u/MyFavouriteAxe Mar 18 '18

The blacks there today came from tribes from the north in the 1600s at the same time as the Boer came and looked to settle unoccupied lands which

Complete rubbish, Bantu tribes have been in South Africa for almost 2000 years. In reality, when the first Europeans arrived in the Cape, the region to which we now refer as South Africa was a patch work of different ethnicities: Bantu groups were dominant in the Limpopo and KZN areas, whilst Khoisan were dominant in the Cape. In between these two areas, lines were more blurred, and the genetics less distinct.

The most genetically undiluted Khoisan were effectively wiped out by the European settlers via conflict and dispossession of their lands, and (something which is so often overlooked) disease - something like 90% wiped out by smallpox [See this for more detail].

What followed was 200 years of East/Northward expansion, and conflict with the indiginous Bantu speaking peoples who predominated outside the Cape. Tribes who had already been in that region for centuries.

Only a small part of South Africa was ever 'unoccupied', and that was for a brief time and mainly because Dutch settlers had wiped out the locals (albeit with disease doing the heavy lifting).

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

I don't think Boers went to SA 25,000 years ago.

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u/Th3cz Mar 18 '18

Neither did the blacks that rule the country now

Also i said 1600s, do you have an issue reading what i say?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

You're the one parroting colonial propaganda in an attempt to claim that "the blacks" don't belong in SA.

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u/Th3cz Mar 18 '18

You are not listening. There was a multitude of different tribes all over Africa when we came. Down in SA there were Bushmen and Hottentots, neither of which is there anymore. The Blacks inhabiting SA today came from other regions of Africa and settled it from the north in the 1600s, this is not colonial propaganda, this is known facts, ask a historian even a liberal one. The census here is that the claim that the current blacks living in SA has been there for thousands of years and that the Boer stole their land is bullshit. You are just spouting nonsense and ignoring whats infront of you, get a grip.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

The Boers stole the land from the people that already lived there. Stop trying to obfuscate the point, you brain dead incel.

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u/Th3cz Mar 18 '18

But the people already living there isn't there anymore to claim it back. It's being claimed by blacks from other tribes that didnt own it from the start. Besides most of the areas Boers settled were completely uninhabited. Get your facts straight

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

Like I said, colonial propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 18 '18

Hey mate what if I told you that different peoples can be the same skin color and conquests and colonialism can happen within the same continent? As another example the (Germanic) Anglos are not the original occupants of the country that now bears their name; the (Celtic) Britons were there before - and guess what, both those peoples are white.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

Sp original just means whenever they got there.

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u/abortion_control Mar 18 '18

History disagrees with your anti-European agenda.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

The original people of South Africa, the Khoi San has been wiped out by other black people like the Zulu and Bantus just before euros got there. Source - born and raised in South Africa.

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u/Talking_Teddy Mar 19 '18

Unless you experienced it or happen to be an historian or otherwise expert, your source is useless.

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u/killerofsheep Mar 19 '18

He is wrong, you are right. The greatest threat to the Khoi and San came as a result of the Trek Boer massacres which wiped out 90% of the San population, and instituted the Khoi into slavery/indentured labour. Many of the San, to avoid death, presented themselves as Khoi and as such (being hunter-gatherers), their way of life was threatened.

It is for this reason we refer to the KhoiSan as one-word, as their cultures became intertwined and diluted as a result of the Boers.

/u/Blou_Aap know your shit before talking out your ass.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Jy is maar 'n dom drol ou maat. I am Afrikaans, and a Voortrekker descendant. I know my own history. The Boer did not wipe out those people. Just do a slight bit more reading. The trek boer massacre or Weenen massacre and the the commonly known "Die slag van Bloedrivier rivier" (the battle of blood river) is where the Boere got masacred by the Zulus and actually held their own.NOTHING to do with the Khoi or San people and not even in the same geographic area for crying out loud.

The Khoikhoi traded with Dutch settlers at first and conflicts broke out from both sides. The Khoi started to fall victim to diseases from the Dutch, etc. There was never a masacre where settlers slaughtered the Khoikhoi or Hottentots as they were called.

There was no masacre of Khoi people by the settlers EVER, there was a series of Dutch-Khoi wars over land etc and they were pushed out, but never masacred.

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING, above is a simple few Google searches away.

So please stop talking through your assistance, with your obvious wrong sense of history of my country, please...

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u/killerofsheep Mar 19 '18

Oh shame. Don't be too indoctrinated by a history written by racists. The genocides of Khoisan are well documented, do some googling yourself. When I'm not on my phone I'll link academic articles for you.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Nice deletion of your other comment. Did you click that genocide and wars mean different things finally?

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Please post them. What is stopping you. Why didn't you post immediately? Even if you are on a phone it should be quick and easy. But you want to take time to find bullshit instead of fact. I posted fact and actually did look it up to make sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoikhoi–Dutch_Wars no masacre, just wars, like the whole damn world has had in their different histories. What the Trekboer actually was : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekboer. Khoi San bushmen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan.

The KhoSan was never masacred by Euro people. Google Zulus and see and maybe some of those ignorant brain cells of yours can fire up some new connections.

I did this one phone, it wasn't hard, if you want more facts I can easily Google for you if you like. If Wikipedia doesn't suffice, just keep this in mind... Wikipedia is open, and none of these facts have been challenged with the pool coming out of that glory hole in your face... Good day.

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u/WikiTextBot Mar 19 '18

Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars

The Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars were a series of conflicts that took place in the last half of the 17th century in what was known then as the Cape of Good Hope (today it refers to a smaller geographic spot), in the area of present-day Cape Town, South Africa, between Dutch settlers who came from the Netherlands and the local African people, the most prominent being the Khoikhoi, who had lived in that part of the world for millennia.

The arrival of the permanent settlements of the Dutch, under the Dutch East India Company, at the Cape of Good Hope in 1652 brought them into the land of the local people, such as the Khoikhoi (called Hottentots by the Dutch), the Khoisan, Griqua, Bushmen (also known as the San), and some Bantu peoples of South Africa. While the Dutch traded with the Khoikhoi, nevertheless serious disputes broke out over land ownership and livestock. This resulted in attacks and counter-attacks by both sides which were known as the Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars that ended in the eventual defeat of the Khoikhoi (who also succumbed to the diseases that the White settlers brought, such as measles and smallpox.) The First Khoikhoi-Dutch War took place in 1659, the second in 1673, the third 1674 - 1677.

Trekboer

In the history of Southern Africa, the Trekboere (now referred to as "Trekboer" in English; pronounced: ) were nomadic pastoralists descended from European settlers on the frontiers of the Dutch Cape Colony. The Trekboere began migrating into the interior from the areas surrounding what is now Cape Town, such as Paarl (settled from 1688), Stellenbosch (founded in 1679), and Franschhoek (settled from 1688), during the late 17th century and throughout the 18th century. The Trekboer included mixed-race families of partial Khoikoi descent who had also become established within the economic class of burghers.

Khoisan

Khoisan (; also spelled Khoesaan, Khoesan or Khoe–San) is a unifying name for two groups of peoples of Southern Africa, who share ethnic, cultural, and linguistic characteristics with the Bantu majority of the region. Culturally, the Khoisan are divided into the foraging San, or Bushmen, and the pastoral Khoi, or more specifically Khoikhoi, previously known as Hottentots.

The San include the indigenous inhabitants of Southern Africa before the southward Bantu migrations from North and East Africa reached the region 700 years ago, which led to the Bantu populations displacing the Khoi and San to become the predominant inhabitants of Southern Africa. Scholars have debated whether the Khoi had a separate origin from the San.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

ROFL, did you actually read any of that hahaha. Where the fudge does it say genocide. Get out of your booster seat, you're obviously not even from South Africa. Written by racists on an open platfform like Wikipedia. Cool story.

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