South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA

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Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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Just because Mcarthy was a ruthless fuckwit doesn't mean USSR spies didn't pose a legitimate threat to America.

And just because Neo Nazis are using this as propaganda doesn't mean there isn't a real threat to white farmers in South Africa. Cape town is running out of water and racial tensions have a tendency to spiral out of control when that happens.

Also if this sort of thing is ignored, it feeds into the conspiracy theory mindset that globalists are out to destroy the white race and Fortifies the white South African separatists in their attitudes. There is a story here, and it should be picked apart on mainstream media until it becomes common knowledge and appropriate attitudes/actions can be taken by the international community with out a "HOLD UP, WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE.... GENOCIDE!?! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?" This story does play into the hands of neo azis but it still isn't covered as well as it should be.

Steve Pinker from Harvard had a speech about academic and more liberal environments avoiding uncomfortable truths because they feed into far right propaganda. As a result of this, when a person of sound mind comes across these facts they haven't been inoculated to the idea, grown up with it, had time to develop an informed and subtle opinion, but rather fall for the trick that some nefarious force is keeping these facts hidden to manipulate them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJ5bvw6Ckw

The issue in South Africa has not been covered adequately. If it had, far right groups wouldn't be able to use these documentaries to shock people, because it would be common knowledge.

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Be clear what the argument was here. The op was taking aim at the claims of a reverse apartheid going on in South Africa and demonstrated how cynical the film makers were in passing off lies.

If your point is that there are dangerous racial tensions in South Africa that have white farmers very worried, and some deaths have occured, one would hardly bother to correct it. I would expect such a situation in a nation with the problems of South Africa. The question is what is scale of the problem and how has the government sought to deal with the issue. If people want to have that discussion, its not trivial. That's where the relevant statistics can really help the conversation.

Your point that the issues deserves more attention is fine.

But lets be honest. There are many nations around the world that have issues of racial and religious violence. Some far worse than what the post apartheid South Africa has faced so far. Some are even neighbors of South Africa.

But for some, it is the case of South Africa that has really seized some people's imagination outside of South Africa. It is no great mystery why.

Its because it's serves a wider ideological view of racial segregation. Its pretty damn obvious. I don't know that this applies to you (and I won't presume) but it does to the original content discussed on this thread.

Your McCarthyism example is not apt here. The fundamental problems of South Africa are not hidden or mysterious and the dangers are not unknown.

Knowing the issues and dangers does not always mean they are fixable, and sometimes goverments struggle just to manage them. One hopes for a government that can achieve some political and economic stabilty in the country. That serves all parties. Hopefully you agree with that much.

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There are plenty of issues that deserve attention. But not all of them are useful for the sake of propaganda. This one is.

Issues that have the potential to be used for propaganda should be given extra attention so we can drag them out into the public sphere of opinions and prevent occurrences of radicalization. Tinge them with the air of common and expectedness so they are not particularly interesting.

In the case of south Africa, there are many uncomfortable issues left leaning people would rather avoid all together and in doing so, younger generations pick up on this vacuum of coverage and develop a fascination, like they have discovered something new and significant.

Such a dynamic is highly exploitable. Preventing this should be high on the list of things we can do here locally to reduce violence, entrenched partisanship and rampant conspiracy theorists.

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If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that the case of South Africa has quite great potential for right wing propaganda primarily because it is ignored by people on left. Is that so?

I am going to suggest that you are assuming that which is very much in question here.

Does the plight of white farmers in South Africa represent a social and politcal crisis on the scale that would normally attract world attention?

If so, then the charge of demanding more attention seems to hit home.

If not, then one really has to ask, where does the propaganda value actually come from? I would say it is manufactured by racist agendas that simply pretend a moral failing for the left exists.

The posting that began this discussion provided an analysis of statistics that show there is in indeed violence but it doesn't not at all reflect a particluar anti white racial bias in South Africa.

The sort of people who have raised this issue in South Africa about white farmers have tried to make exactly this false claim to give the issue more weight and ideological import.

If you are suggesting the political left must assume a responsibility for giving fair treatment to all events of racial and ethnic violence, i won't challenge such a position. Does a largely fabricated reporting qualify as worthy. I can't see anyone arguing this.

And further to the point, think how absurd this comparison looks if we invert it and charge the alt right with the same obligation. A group that doesn't the even pretend to care about such things.

These are the very people who point the finger at the left in this example. Honestly fuck them.

One last thought. It is astonishing that we can argue about what events deserve attention and not note that at this moment the largest humanitarian catastrophe in the post war period is unfolding in Yemen. Millions are being starved to death in a blockade during its war with Saudi Arabia. Since S.A. is considered an important ally of the US, there is truly scant reporting about the situation from msm.

Humans rights groups have repeatedly warned about the situation that is unfolding but the story cant make its way to more than the occasional 30 second report about the war. Compare this to the daily reports about Syrian victims at the hands of Assad's forces in its proxy war with the US and jihadists affiliates.

If it's the principle that matters here, let start the conversation where it belongs. With the corporate media and political classes who have the most responsibilty who have not a shred of credibility about giving reports of racial and ethnic violence the weight it deserves.

The article that began this discussion provides statistics that show there is in indeed violence but it doesn't not at all reflect a particluar anti white racial bias. The sort of people who have raised this issue in South Africa about white farmers have tried to make exactly this false claim to give the issue more weight and ideological import.