r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/Comnena Mar 18 '18

Thank you for bringing the receipts. A Reverse Apartheid?? Really??? What bullshit. Apartheid was a full integrated, state-sanctioned, legal system specifically designed to discriminate against and denigrate the original occupiers of the land on which white people arrived. This is not a reverse apartheid.

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u/ilikepies9001 Mar 18 '18

"original" occupiers? Learn your sa history mate.

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u/Comnena Mar 18 '18

If you know something the anthropological community doesn't about how various indigenous African societies have not in fact lived in the South Africa region for thousands of years prior to the arrival of Europeans then I don't know why you're announcing it here on Reddit, you should be preparing your paper for academic journals quick smart!

Or, if what you are implying is that the Boer and British colonisation of South Africa is exempt from the moral issues associated with colonialism because the people who lived in the South African geographical region at various points throughout history have changed due to internal migrations and power struggles, and therefore the migration of European settlers is in some way equivalent to these internal social changes and the people who lived their prior have no claim to their land or an expectation of being treated as anything other than one more set of interlopers able to be forced out by the next bunch of people who come along, then I think we both know that is not true.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

The original people of South Africa, the Khoi San has been wiped out by other black people like the Zulu and Bantus just before euros got there. Source - born and raised in South Africa.

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u/Talking_Teddy Mar 19 '18

Unless you experienced it or happen to be an historian or otherwise expert, your source is useless.

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u/killerofsheep Mar 19 '18

He is wrong, you are right. The greatest threat to the Khoi and San came as a result of the Trek Boer massacres which wiped out 90% of the San population, and instituted the Khoi into slavery/indentured labour. Many of the San, to avoid death, presented themselves as Khoi and as such (being hunter-gatherers), their way of life was threatened.

It is for this reason we refer to the KhoiSan as one-word, as their cultures became intertwined and diluted as a result of the Boers.

/u/Blou_Aap know your shit before talking out your ass.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Jy is maar 'n dom drol ou maat. I am Afrikaans, and a Voortrekker descendant. I know my own history. The Boer did not wipe out those people. Just do a slight bit more reading. The trek boer massacre or Weenen massacre and the the commonly known "Die slag van Bloedrivier rivier" (the battle of blood river) is where the Boere got masacred by the Zulus and actually held their own.NOTHING to do with the Khoi or San people and not even in the same geographic area for crying out loud.

The Khoikhoi traded with Dutch settlers at first and conflicts broke out from both sides. The Khoi started to fall victim to diseases from the Dutch, etc. There was never a masacre where settlers slaughtered the Khoikhoi or Hottentots as they were called.

There was no masacre of Khoi people by the settlers EVER, there was a series of Dutch-Khoi wars over land etc and they were pushed out, but never masacred.

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING, above is a simple few Google searches away.

So please stop talking through your assistance, with your obvious wrong sense of history of my country, please...

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u/killerofsheep Mar 19 '18

Oh shame. Don't be too indoctrinated by a history written by racists. The genocides of Khoisan are well documented, do some googling yourself. When I'm not on my phone I'll link academic articles for you.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Nice deletion of your other comment. Did you click that genocide and wars mean different things finally?

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

Please post them. What is stopping you. Why didn't you post immediately? Even if you are on a phone it should be quick and easy. But you want to take time to find bullshit instead of fact. I posted fact and actually did look it up to make sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoikhoi–Dutch_Wars no masacre, just wars, like the whole damn world has had in their different histories. What the Trekboer actually was : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekboer. Khoi San bushmen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan.

The KhoSan was never masacred by Euro people. Google Zulus and see and maybe some of those ignorant brain cells of yours can fire up some new connections.

I did this one phone, it wasn't hard, if you want more facts I can easily Google for you if you like. If Wikipedia doesn't suffice, just keep this in mind... Wikipedia is open, and none of these facts have been challenged with the pool coming out of that glory hole in your face... Good day.

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u/WikiTextBot Mar 19 '18

Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars

The Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars were a series of conflicts that took place in the last half of the 17th century in what was known then as the Cape of Good Hope (today it refers to a smaller geographic spot), in the area of present-day Cape Town, South Africa, between Dutch settlers who came from the Netherlands and the local African people, the most prominent being the Khoikhoi, who had lived in that part of the world for millennia.

The arrival of the permanent settlements of the Dutch, under the Dutch East India Company, at the Cape of Good Hope in 1652 brought them into the land of the local people, such as the Khoikhoi (called Hottentots by the Dutch), the Khoisan, Griqua, Bushmen (also known as the San), and some Bantu peoples of South Africa. While the Dutch traded with the Khoikhoi, nevertheless serious disputes broke out over land ownership and livestock. This resulted in attacks and counter-attacks by both sides which were known as the Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars that ended in the eventual defeat of the Khoikhoi (who also succumbed to the diseases that the White settlers brought, such as measles and smallpox.) The First Khoikhoi-Dutch War took place in 1659, the second in 1673, the third 1674 - 1677.

Trekboer

In the history of Southern Africa, the Trekboere (now referred to as "Trekboer" in English; pronounced: ) were nomadic pastoralists descended from European settlers on the frontiers of the Dutch Cape Colony. The Trekboere began migrating into the interior from the areas surrounding what is now Cape Town, such as Paarl (settled from 1688), Stellenbosch (founded in 1679), and Franschhoek (settled from 1688), during the late 17th century and throughout the 18th century. The Trekboer included mixed-race families of partial Khoikoi descent who had also become established within the economic class of burghers.

Khoisan

Khoisan (; also spelled Khoesaan, Khoesan or Khoe–San) is a unifying name for two groups of peoples of Southern Africa, who share ethnic, cultural, and linguistic characteristics with the Bantu majority of the region. Culturally, the Khoisan are divided into the foraging San, or Bushmen, and the pastoral Khoi, or more specifically Khoikhoi, previously known as Hottentots.

The San include the indigenous inhabitants of Southern Africa before the southward Bantu migrations from North and East Africa reached the region 700 years ago, which led to the Bantu populations displacing the Khoi and San to become the predominant inhabitants of Southern Africa. Scholars have debated whether the Khoi had a separate origin from the San.

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 19 '18

ROFL, did you actually read any of that hahaha. Where the fudge does it say genocide. Get out of your booster seat, you're obviously not even from South Africa. Written by racists on an open platfform like Wikipedia. Cool story.