r/Documentaries Mar 17 '18

South Africa - A Reversed Apartheid? (2018) - A documentary shining light on the white boer minority's current situation living in SA. Crowdfunded and made by a swedish political science major from the The Swedish Defence University.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDU0xIILKA
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

Why does this get associated with the far-right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '18

It's dishonest. It's the equivalent of me going into the Appalachian region of America and portraying them as being representative of the state of all white people in America and that they are all oppressed because Obama is the president and because America has affirmative action. It's just as dishonest as using a photo of dog attack victims and claiming they were victims of farm attacks.

The people behind the documentary are known neo Nazis and white supremacists who are part of the global white supremacist movement. They currently have a campaign going on targeting South Africa.

The people featured in the documentary are also known white supremacists and white separatists who choose to live separate) from other South Africans. Volksteun is a Front National project. They weren't forced to live the way they do and their ideology is still the same as what they had during Apartheid. There' a long list of far right white separatist and neo Nazi groups in South Africa that have been active since Apartheid: AWB, Front National, Die Suidlanders, Boere Beskermings Forum, Geloftevolk Republikeine, die Verkenners etc.

It's not an honest portrayal of either poverty in the white community or of poverty in South African in general.

In South Africa today uneducated whites still earn more than university educated blacks.

At top management level, 68.5% of positions are occupied by white South Africans which is more than six times their economically active population

Most whites in SA still earn 6 times more than blacks

Whites have the lowest unemployment of all racial groups, lower than most European countries.

White South African murders rate is at the European average and whites are 8.9 times less likely to be murdered than black people.

In 2016, 71 people were murdered on farms. This includes all people, irrespective of race, whether they owned the farms, were employed on the farms, or just passing through. It also includes smallholdings, which are mostly inhabited by black people and far more numerous than the large farms owned by white South Africans. 810,000 people in South Africa work on farms. Note that the vast majority of these people are black. That's a murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000. This is more than 3 times lower than the general murder rate of 34.4 per 100,000 - and we're not even talking about white farmers, we're talking about every single person who was killed on a farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Dan Kriek, the president of Agri SA, the country's largest and most influential agricultural organisation, has debunked Afriforum's whitewashed statistics.

Crime doesn't recognise colour. For example, in the Free State we have had 58 farm attacks this year with four murders: two black and two white. We need to be honest about (crime) statistics and not only use it when it suits us.

The fake "white genocide" narrative relies on statistics from Afriforum that originate with the Transvaal Agricultural Union who don't split victims by race, yet right-wing news outlets take them and say that they were all white.

Just a few days ago a black-owned farm was attcked and burned down but the internet was abuzz with white genocide claims relating to it.

Farm murders of all races have been declining for the last 20 years and are half what they were 20 years ago.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

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u/al4ever Mar 29 '18 edited Mar 30 '18

This won't get noticed, but others cited your comment as a total debunk of everything, so i comment it here too. Maybe somebody sees it, and reads it. There is no tldr, because it debunks your points one by one and if you don't read it trough, and actually watch / read the sources, it is not even worth to start. Have fun.

First of all i'll link this, because probably nobody will even try to read this trought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llP1o4AB0AM

Yall won't read it through because of laziness, and because it hurts your ideological belives.

You can link it like 100 times more, it still does not stand for anything.

First it's a link to a "fake attack". Yeah, whatever there was a pic lurking on the net, that was fake. This does not mean that other attacks, and pics are not real. This is pure bullshit, he tries to debunk the whole thing just by "exposing" a fake picture, what can be easily do by rightclick + google search.

Second link is from media matters. Thank you but that site is far left propaganda, and if you think it's creditable source, than i'll link shit like that too. The article is pure shit too. It's on the basis, that if you are not far left leaning, and blindly following their agenda: then you are a far right, extremist, nazi, bigot, hurr durr, whatever namecalling. Name calling is a effective propagandist tool FYI.

All the article does, is try to attack a few right leaning person / journalist in the basis of "global white supremacist movement". What is that even? All that happened is that there was claims of farm attacks are on the rising, and no mainstream media picked up the story. The 2 chick went there, and listened the farmers. Now they are "nazis" for that.

After that there come some REALLY BROAD and bold claims that everybody there is white supremacist. Let's see the facts:

  • AWB (REAL, actual nazis): membership: 5000

  • Front National party (somewhat far righters): The last election they got the votes 0.03% what makes exactly 5,138.

  • Die Suidlanders: defensive org, who prepare for the worst: civil war. The actual and open genocide of whites in SA. Evacuation plans, drills, and defense.

  • Boere Beskermings Forum: eeeerm... a forum? With a link that shows an article? I don't know how is this nazi, or what even it suggest. However it looks cool in the list, and makes it bigger.

  • Geloftevolk Republikeine: some almost non existent neo nazi group. Look at their website, it tells the whole story. Their leader is arrested, and jailed also.

  • die Verkenners: This was harder, because almost nothing is on the internet from them in english. But on their website you can find their (2016 "congress")[http://www.verkenners.co.za/verkenner-kongres-2016/]. It was hugely supported as you can see. And the fact that you cannot find anything on them suggest that they are huge in numbers, and dangerous too. Also from the af wiki you can find something, that translates to their ideology. It's laughable if you call them nazi.

ect: if "your" list contains this much dangerous, and highly supported partys, and groups i cannot think of what more could have come.

Also have to note that in the 2014 election ~88% of afrikaners supported the Democratic Alliance party (liberal). These are the nazis and white supremacist you all talking about.

However. The real threat is the Economic Freedom Fighters party (EFF):

Membership (2014): 527,343

Votes in 2016: 1,169,259

Votes in 2018 Municipal elections: 3,202,679

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_Fighters#Violence_and_bigotry

Not that left wing ideology that yall are yelling. Or is it? Maybe it is, because it's perpetrators are blacks, and it is against white people. :thinking:

So let's summarize: we have to be afraid of some group of 5k neonazis, while we can look over the EFF that are a legitimate political party, whom inciting violence, racial hatred, bigotry, while they are gaining MASSIVE support. Oh and the fun part comes here: (We are not calling for the slaughter of white people...for now.)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llP1o4AB0AM] Their president looks like a fun guy.

After this point it's just statistical data about a bunch of things, that i'm just going to address in short: first of all black IQ in SA is low. (It's 77 actuall)[https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country/za-south-africa]. Just to give you some context: 84 is border retardation in clinical terms. This is just a fun fact, i'm not going to read anything else into it, altho you can.

He cites statistics on crime, while the only census on criminal statistics in SA is that you cannot trust the numbers if you read multiple sources. So i won't going to debate over numbers like that, it's pointless. The only thing i'm going to say is that it's funny for me, that it's the minority (white) is the cause of every problem of theirs. While in the west all you far leftists do, is say "you cannot blame your problems on the minority" and things like that. Yall also promote the acceptance of refugees, and migrants, AND ILLEGAL immigrants. While that Australian politician, who called for the help of those people, and their immigration to Australia a racist. Do you see the hypocrisy? Or just try to talk about blacks ANYWHERE like the EFF's president do. Not as a politician person, not as a party's president. Just as a normal person. You'll probably get prosecuted, and jailed. If not, you will be personally attacked, made a media hysteria from that, and you'll loose your job for sure because you are a NAZI.

So if a white man talks like that, he is a nazi, but if a black does it, it's fine, and I AM A NAZI for thinking it's wrong. This is not even hypocrisy, this is mental gymnastics.

My next comment will come, when reports of killing whites come. You are full of shit, and if you don't condone what happens there right now then you'll see another zimbabwe.

Mic drop.