r/Firefighting • u/The_Road_is_Calling NH FF • Nov 25 '24

News Ohio fire department confronted about response to double fatal fire

https://chroniclet.com/news/411559/wakeman-fire-board-meeting-ends-in-shouting-match-over-fatal-fire/
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u/dwil22 Nov 25 '24

What am I missing. A volunteer department got there in 3 minutes and 30 seconds? That seems like a very appropriately timed response.

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u/Rhino676971 Nov 25 '24

3.5 minutes for a response is unheard of for a volunteer department to show up; that is faster than many career departments. Now, if that house was fully involved, there is nothing they can do without probably having a LODD, and that's the tragic part of firefighting: having to know when you can't save someone.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '24

VEIS for unimpinged rooms is about all you could do and that'd be a crapshoot if there even were any and if they were where the victims were even located or if they succumbed elsewhere.

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u/Handlebarheroin Nov 25 '24

What does the I stand for in your acronym ? I’ve only heard it as Vent Enter Search. Thanks

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u/AccomplishedBrief750 Nov 25 '24

Vent enter isolate(close the door to that room once inside) search

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u/Handlebarheroin Nov 25 '24

Thanks. I know that’s part of our policy to close the door, but I dont think our acronym has been updated.

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u/Froggynoch Nov 25 '24

The “I” has always been a part of VES but some people add it in to emphasize its importance. Some folks argue that you can search while heading towards the door, so the “I” in VEIS helps establish a strict order.