Federal Hiring Freeze prevents on-boarding of wildland firefighters

[u/JohannLandier75]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/us/firefighters-federal-hiring-freeze/index.html

[u/TheSavageBeast83]

No, if you're not willing to talk about something you brought up then it's obviously a waste of time

[u/BackgroundWallaby302 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

I can chime in. It’s Milton Friedmans version of capitalism get rid of the Feds except for a shell. Contract everything out, get rid of subsidies for the poor and boom the capitalist utopia. Milton Friedman taught Regan, Cheney and bush. Perfect example the never ending Iraq war with its millions of contractors.

[u/TheSavageBeast83 → u/BackgroundWallaby302]

Sounds good to me, I did very well as an Iraq war contractor

[u/BackgroundWallaby302 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

😂 okay there goes our retirement system, there goes any bargaining power. Health care, disability all of it can go. That also means everything can be montenized. Social security gone, VA if you are a vet. I don’t think you understand the ramifications. National parks, national forests.

[u/TheSavageBeast83 → u/BackgroundWallaby302]

I don’t think you understand the ramifications

Well I do because I lived it. I got paid 4x the amount of money which more than supplemented everything you just mentioned. And I still used the VA because being a contractor doesn't just make my veteran status disappear, I don't even know what tf you were thinking with that comment

[u/BackgroundWallaby302 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

You’re an idiot the VA can disappear is what I mean. Yes we are in a job of public service and most of the Feds now imagine if everything was about profit. Hey we aren’t doing cancer research for our firefighters because that affects the bottom line. Why worry about Mother Nature about the healthcare of our nation if it affects the profit margins.

Since you’re not super educated on the subject this was tested all thru Latin American and was an absolute failure.

[u/stevolutionary7 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

That's a great arrangement, but what's to keep them paying 4x more?

If every government service gets contracted out (of course to companies that give kickbacks) there is no competition and you'll do the job for whatever they want to pay you.

[u/TheSavageBeast83 → u/stevolutionary7]

you'll do the job for whatever they want to pay you.

Well no, it's the opposite. That's literally what's been happening in the fire service now. Why you think the fire service is having trouble filling positions? Because the pay ain't shit. And it's a regulated by contracts. They can't just raise the wages because they are bound the contract. And they have to fit it all in a larger budget. There are literally my municipalities that are just saying fuck it and disbanding fire depts because they can't find anyone because they won't pay shit.

A civilian company is different, if they need people, they can raise wages, they don't need to pass anything, they don't need to vote on shit, they don't need to fit within a budget that also pays librarians and public works. The don't need to wait till the next negotiation. It's simple supply and demand. Companies have to abide by supply and demand. If they don't have the firefighters to provide the service then they can't get those contracts or "kickbacks". That's how business works. They will pay what they need to to provide their service. Supply and demand has no bearing on the government.

[u/BackgroundWallaby302 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

God dam bro you are so misinformed it’s silly. Wait till the big contractors get together and drive wages down. Real life examples Walmart, nestle, and most ambulance services.

You also don’t understand real supply and demand.

Contractors failed at hurricane katrina, Iraq, afghan, mass amounts of corruption and waste.

He is right once contractors merge there goes your wages oh don’t like it get fucked you have no rights. Get cancer get fucked, get injured get fucked. Honestly bro I hope you get this future so when you get cancer and can’t even go to a national park and there drilling so it’s closed to the public. I hope your happy the future you left your kids.

But I hate to be the one to tell you billionaires don’t give a fuck about you.

[u/TheSavageBeast83 → u/BackgroundWallaby302]

God dam bro you are so misinformed it’s silly.

Quite the opposite. Because again, I lived it.

Contractors failed at hurricane katrina, Iraq

Again, I lived it. Things were a whole lot better when the contractors came through.

The problem is everything you're saying is purely based off second hand information. Everything I'm saying is based off first hand information. If you think second hand is better than first hand, your probably shouldn't be talking about what is silly.

But I hate to be the one to tell you billionaires don’t give a fuck about you.

Never said they did. As someone that is in the fire service should understand, it's doesn't matter how you plan for things to happen, the best results always come from how you respond to them.

I hope your happy the future you left your kids.

Well both my kids have their own house intrusted to them and 6 digit Roth IRAs and neither of them are even 5 yet. And that was all made possible because of my contractor job. So yes, I'm quite happy.

[u/BackgroundWallaby302 → u/TheSavageBeast83]

Stop it I went to Iraq and Afghanistan and volunteered during Katrina.

Once again making money off contracting doesn’t make contracting good for the rest ohh fuck it you’re a idiot this isn’t even a debate you just keep repeating you’re self with no facts other then I got paid as a contractor so obviously it should work for everything.

[u/TheSavageBeast83 → u/BackgroundWallaby302]

with no facts

Quite the opposite, again first hand. I am the fact. Where you're just spewing second hand narrative nonsense. Maybe you should read a book.