r/Firefighting hose toucher Feb 24 '25

Ask A Firefighter So I did a thing

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Anyone ever seen this before?

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u/Dweide_Schrude FFII/EMT-A Feb 24 '25

You hurt the Hurst!

What were you cutting??

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u/JruePeakcock hose toucher Feb 24 '25

Hinge on a Nissan Altima. Thing was a bitch

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u/jaahrome Feb 24 '25

LOLL of course it was A Nissan Altima!

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u/fireman03 Feb 24 '25

Big Altima Energy

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u/AustinsAirsoft Career Firefighter Feb 24 '25

BAE

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u/Fishiesideways10 Feb 25 '25

I bet that puppy didn’t even need a cut job, rather the crew wanted to make it ugly and failed.

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u/JruePeakcock hose toucher Feb 27 '25

was at training bud

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u/mysterysam101 Feb 24 '25

It wasn’t the hinge. These tools aren’t designed to cut with a torsional load. Next time let the tool work and readjust.

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u/boatplumber Feb 25 '25

I would say it's the opposite of let the tool do the work. Good catch phrase, but in this case you have to fight the rotation, or readjust. Tip loading, or a twist that allows the metal to get between and spread the blades apart is what causes this to happen. I think of the tool doing the work as stepping back and letting things break when they do. It could read "let the tool do the work until it starts to spin" and readjust.

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u/Alternative_Leg4295 Feb 25 '25

So you can only let cutters move on the same plane as the blades?

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u/boatplumber Feb 25 '25

Yes, that's a good way to explain it when it comes to these Hurst edraulics. I don't have experience outside of Hurst. If they move off plane a little, they will be fine. I fight the roll, and if it looks like it's going to beat me, I readjust.

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u/Alternative_Leg4295 Feb 26 '25

Thanks, I too have very limited expirience outside of hurst, and for some odd reason, the VFD that I am with ( which from 2017-2023 ran avg of 30-50 entrapment calls) has run ONE pin job since I started, and I wasnt even there. Needless to say, my knowledge is still limited to a few training cars.

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u/no_fire_on_arrival Feb 25 '25

This is incorrect. You don’t and can’t “fight the rotation” of 10,000+ PSI — reposition and get a deeper bite where the tool is designed to cut and you will limit roll.

we even teach removing your support hand after attaining a purchase.

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u/boatplumber Feb 25 '25

Are you talking about cutters or spreaders? Attaining a purchase sounds like a spreader situation which I agree with you on.

You can absolutely fight the rotation, which will get it to puncture and bring lighter metals deeper in. Sometimes you lose, and need to readjust. Your rated psi numbers are not what you are fighting, you are coaxing the tool to assist the puncture. Try it next time you train on them.

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u/cascas Stupid Former Probie 😎 Feb 25 '25

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u/Fantastic_Ease_3261 Feb 27 '25

Probably the cotter pin

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u/Ambitious-Hunter2682 Feb 24 '25

What year is that Altima? Any idea? I’ve broken a hydraulic pair on a newer Jetta. Haven’t with our battery hurst tools yet but a neighboring company broke and snapped their cutter just like that on a newer vehicle. Rep for hurst said sometimes they can’t cut through the boron steel/newer parts of it. Not sure what gen that is either but that’s a factor too. That was a couple years ago and was probbly first or second gen batter hurst so I know they have an even newer and updated generation that’s capable of cutting through with an even higher psi now

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u/Dweide_Schrude FFII/EMT-A Feb 24 '25

It’s always the hinge. Those things suck.

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u/Many_Appearance_8778 Feb 26 '25

Fucking Altimas. Of course.

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u/2themoon-ride2gether Feb 24 '25

This most often happens when tip loading.. cuts should made at/nearest the base of the blades. Too much force at the tips and you get this result.

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u/WaxedHalligan4407 Feb 24 '25

Yah, that's what I was thinking too... not enough purchase to get the tool deep enough to be as close as possible to the base, thereby only cutting with the tips. Either that, or cutting the Nader pin thinking it was the hinge?

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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat FF/EMT Feb 24 '25

Also happens when you see the shears start spreading themselves apart. If they’re not cutting and start flexing in the wrong direction, it’s time to stop and try something else.

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u/Fit_Lie_8425 Feb 24 '25

Had to be and the bladed must have been bending??!!