r/Firefighting • u/Vigil_FF80 german volly FF • 7d ago
Tools/Equipment/PPE The rear gate of this engine from Hamburg, Germany doesnt open any further
and doesnt need to, all of the possibly needed equipment is stored on the sides or under the crew seats, Its 7.5 meters (24.6 feet) long 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) wide And 3.18 meters (10.4 feet) tall Tiny if you compare it to US trucks, but it gets the job done just as good, if not better (but that "better" probably just because germany is all about fire safety)
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u/AlphaO4 V-FF 7d ago
What about the „A-Saugschläuche“? Aren’t they normally stored above the pump control Interface. (Atleast all Ziegler builds I know are that way)
Or are they stored below the „Mannschaft Kabine“ and are just not visible in the pic.
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u/Jfg27 German Vol FF + Medic 7d ago
They are stored in the first compartment on the left side, together with the portable fire pump.
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u/Vigil_FF80 german volly FF 7d ago
Oh i thought theyre on the roof D:
I dont gotta know that, my station has a different truck
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u/BarbarossasLongBeard 7d ago
There is no real standard for storing the Saugschläuche, just commonly used places for them, like on the roof or below the Kabine.
Most manufacturer have their standard location, but even that changes from generation to generation in the different Normfahrzeuge and ultimately it‘s the FD who orders the truck to say where they want the Saugschläuche.
Most of the FDs go with the standard location of the manufacturer I assume.
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u/luftwebel 6d ago
and doesnt need to,
Yeah. It's not a bug, it's feature!
Build a fixed tank for the foam up there replacing the canisters in G6 and have even more space for
all of the possibly needed equipment
(Or maybe just order the drawer which uses to be there in most engines in the first place, e.g. to store the Schmutzfangkorb which is flying around in GR otherwise or the traffic cones that are rammed below G6 or...god, the more pictures I see the more I don't understand this rig)
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u/fdavis1983 7d ago
Is the door stuck? Just ram it up harder. Lol
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u/Vigil_FF80 german volly FF 7d ago
It is stuck, but in purpose
Theres just empty space behind it
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u/fdavis1983 7d ago
Ahhhh.
I was just being a smartass. That’s a Canadian military approach…..just need to apply the right amount of force. lol
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u/firefighter26s 6d ago
I remember a buddy of mine who was in the Navy telling me about how they figured out what equipment was popping a breaker... they just wedged a hammer between the breaker and the panel door so it couldn't trip and waited for a piece of equipment to start smoking... flipped the breaker, replaced the smoking equipment and flipped the breaker back on. Problem solved.
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u/Impressive_Change593 VA volly 6d ago
and this is why breakers flip internally even if the lever can't move
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u/macpigem Former Antarctican 6d ago
Germans design amazing fire trucks, with all the ergonomics in mind.
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u/Impressive_Change593 VA volly 6d ago
not everyone in the US likes giant trucks ;). idk the dimensions of our main engine but I don't think it's much larger (and it has 500 gallons of water which is apparently twice what that carries).
our second engine (which also has rescue gear) is larger unfortunately. it does have an additional 150 gallons of water and a bunch more tools.
I would want to see the exact load out before making a call on which is better.
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u/FrietjePindaMayoUi Professional Dolphin Trainer 6d ago
Your tank holds just shy of 1900 liters. According to this link that u/luftwebel posted he German tank holds 1600 liters (although the license plate is different, not sure if it's the exact same vehicle or a similar one), so not twice, but about 20% more. Also, a lot of vehicles like this one (size/drivetrain/build) have a 2500 liter (660 gallon?) now, because in a lot of areas the water supply cannot be guaranteed anymore.
I can understand why American trucks *should* hold more water, since the areas in between water may differ, sometimes large distances to cross, so you'll have to hold out until support comes I reckon.
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u/Most_Imaginary 6d ago
Is there an onboard tank? What is the pump rated at, gpm @ psi?
It’s organized very well, definitely one of my favorite looking euro trucks I’ve seen.
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u/Mc__Ar 6d ago
1000l = 264 Gallone tank, minimum of 2000l (528 gal) pump at 10 bar (145 psi). It has an additional portable pump rated 1500l (396 gal) at 10 bar. Vehicles in Germany generally have small tanks because there are more or less hydrants everywhere even in very rural regions and a huge amount of engines in general. Although twice the tank size is a bit more common and there are engines with 4x the water in most bigger stations if needed.
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u/Spooksnav foyrfiter/ay-ee-em-tee 5d ago
...doesn't open any further
Let's ask Mr Spreader about what he thinks.
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u/beachmedic23 Paramedic/FF 4d ago
Hol up, The second largest city in Germany has a volunteer fire department?
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u/Julius1085 4d ago
86 to be precise in addition to 17 "Regular" fire stations.
Pretty common for Germany, volunteers make Up around 95% of firefighters.
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u/Simple-Lake1102 1h ago
In Germany every department is either volunteer or combination, with the exception of some industrial Fire departments which are career only.
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u/bluewolf_3 7d ago
For those who want to know more:
Search „Hamburg LF KATS“ for more pictures. These vehicles are the secondary engines for most of the volunteer fire department in Hamburg, Germany. They were delivered in 2005/06, 52 in total (Hamburg has 86 volunteer fire departments, each with two engines and most of them with an additional vehicle, like command vehicles or ABC vehicles).
As the secondary vehicle they are co-funded by the german state and are „Katastrophenschutzfahrzeuge“, vehicles better equipped for natural disasters. This mostly means you have an additional pump you can remove and carry around and you have lots of hoses.
The depicted vehicle generation is currently in the process of being replaced, although we are still in the planning phase and no new vehicles have been built yet.