r/Firefighting • u/LivingLikeYou • 2d ago
Videos What are your thoughts on this?
Curios.
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u/Pizzaman624 2d ago
Not a good look for that department. I know I would be getting a lot of shit if I shit the bed with a life on the line like that. That being said. He should not be by himself there. Where is his team?
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u/BigWhiteDog Retired Cal Fire FAE (engineer/officer) and local gov Captain 2d ago
Depends on his assignment in the fire. He may have been assigned to spray the B side and then the need for a rescue popped up. The hose assignment can be a one person job. He got locked into a training habit when all he needed to do was what the civvy did, lean in and grab her.
Side note: I never understand firefighters that wait until they are at the flame front (usually front door) to finish gearing up when you are in the danger zone already.
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u/Spooksnav foyrfiter/ay-ee-em-tee 1d ago
I'm assuming hes either a new/inexperienced guy, or on a dept with the type of chief that throws a shitfit because someone didn't put their reflective vest on at a parking lot mva.
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u/NoiseTherapy Houston TX Fire-Medic 2d ago
That’s kinda what I’m thinking. I’ll also take into consideration that I don’t know what happened before he was in that position, nor do I know what else was happening on the fire ground during the time he was there … but it looks embarrassing.
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u/PointlessGamer163 2d ago
Guy is a seasoned boss with that dept, from what I remember he had attempted to get her out at first and wasn’t able to. He was then gonna throw his mask on and go in and try to get her out the window from the inside. As we can see she is a bigger lady and he is essentially all alone until those dudes just decide then they wanna help. Was a big talking point a couple years ago, everything that can be said about this has been said 100x.
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u/burningboarder 2d ago
Yeah, I just saw this for the first time on Instagram today and from what I read he had made another grab (maybe 2? Can't remember) just before this and might have been gassed. I hate the speculation like the rest of these comments. Especially from what should be professionals of the craft. Thanks for adding background to the post.
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u/xXxThe-ComedianxXx 2d ago
I remember seeing this a few years ago and yes, he had made several grabs prior to this. I knew people here would be flaming him before I came to the comments.
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u/firefighter26s 1d ago
I've been looking for a source for more information; luckily I grew up in a time/place that taught me the importance of questioning things online rather than taking them face-value as there is almost always more to the story. Hate to do this guy dirty if this is his third grab in quick succession.
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u/catfishjohn69 2d ago
To me it’s an example of training scars. I can imagine academy or training where there is a victim at the window and you get ripped for not having your ppe on, what if those gasses knock you out and make you a liability and another problem? However sometimes you gotta use common sense. Someone’s right there, make the grab obviously it was possible and practical. Also mask up faster
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u/The_drunken_Mick-732 2d ago
I was a cop. They used to tell us stories about dead cops with brass in their pants pockets or coat pockets because you revert back to muscle memory under stress. They were screamed at for dropping their brass on the ground at the range, so they put it in their pockets. Same idea here.
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u/apatrol 2d ago
Same,,actually a cali state trooper was shot to death. In the academy they taught to take out both speed loaders (revolver days) out before reloading. Guy was killed in between getting both on car hood and picking the first one back up to actually reload.
In the this case zi would say the ff is already gonna get ripped for being in a high danger area without proper ppe. Might as well get a save cert to go with your safety write up.
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u/reebokhightops 2d ago
Can you elaborate on this? I assume you’re talking about bullets but why are they in their pockets?
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u/Blucifers_Veiny_Anus 2d ago
Because they got screamed at for dropping their brass (spent shell casings, not the entire bullet) while at the training range.
Back in the revolver days, you shoot your 6 shots then empty the spent casings out onto the floor, or into your hand, and from your hand into your pocket so you don't have to pick them up later.
They realized this wasn't good because in real world shooting instances, the cops were doing the same thing, instead of focusing on reloading, they were focusing on putting the brass in their pocket.
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u/reebokhightops 2d ago
Thanks for that. That’s terrible. Do you happen to know whether speed loaders were standard in the revolver days?
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u/The_drunken_Mick-732 2d ago
Drop cases, bullet strips, or bullet loops on your holster. Speed loaders were early '80's I think.
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u/Blucifers_Veiny_Anus 2d ago
My dad had speed loaders in the 80's. Not sure how common they were before that.
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u/Spooksnav foyrfiter/ay-ee-em-tee 1d ago
The specific event referenced is the 1970 Newhall, CA shooting that resulted in the deaths of 4 officers. It was stated for a while that one officer had a training habit that resulted in him wasting time putting spent brass in his pocket instead of dropping and reloading. This led to new training techniques that reflect realism.
Little fun fact about that though; further investigation into the shootout suggests that the "pocketed brass" thing never happened.
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u/tincan3782 2d ago
I'm about 8 months out of the academy and have struggled with this a fair bit.
I'm all about aiming for best practice, but small things you constantly get ripped for in recruits (correct BA donning process for example) is a difficult habit to break heading into a real fire and there's heaps of more important stuff to be worrying about.
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u/catfishjohn69 2d ago
You’ll get it man stick to the basics. If you do something to get better every shift in five years you will be an absolute badass.
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u/SoCalFyreMedic 1d ago
This is what they mean when they say “Safety culture kills”. Yes, we have PPE, and absolutely should use it. HIOWEVER, we’re here for THEM, and this job isn’t safe. Sometimes, you gotta reach thru a window without a mask on to make the save. If they’re further inside, absolutely mask up! But also get proficient so you can do it on the move or quickly when you get to the door/window. The optics on this one, make him look, unprepared for the task at hand.
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u/moosecanswim 2d ago edited 2d ago
Looks like a new guy who’s just running off adrenaline and academy training ex don’t enter IDLH w/out air. Officers probably gonna have a good talk with him.
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u/BigWhiteDog Retired Cal Fire FAE (engineer/officer) and local gov Captain 2d ago
Yep. With cops out here many years ago it was known as "the Newhall Syndrome" from a cop shooting 1970 where 2 CHP rookies were on patrol together near Newhall California (in the Tehachapies north of LA), stopped a pair of bad guys, got into a gun battle, their backup arrived, also rookies, and all 4 died partly due to reverting to their academy range training when it wasn't a range situation but combat. This caused the CHP and other departments to change how the did certain trainings and something that I used to keep in mind when planning trainings.
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u/LawyerFlashy1033 2d ago
These a bunch of missing info here and situation that we might not fully see in the video. But…
Masking up, throwing ladders, and pulling lines should be so basic to use that they require the same amount of thinking that walking does. That way when you walk up to a “ holy shit” amount of fire and need to make a rescue you can see and hear the conscious victim at the window.
Also don’t forget to record your rescues, not sure this one counts
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u/Ten-4RubberDucky FF/Medic 2d ago
This. Also, sure it counts:
Bystander beat lazy ass fireman to it: 1
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u/firefighter26s 1d ago
I wouldn't necessarily say lazy. Maybe a classic case of there being more to the story than what the video shows.
A few other posts have included more information, such as that this guy had already made two solo grabs and couldn't get this lady up and out of the window (likely from being drained from the previous grabs), so he was masking up to go in lift her out of the window from the inside when bystander guy rolled up.
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u/PutinsRustedPistol 2d ago
This is either exactly what it looks like when admin assholes write black and white policies and hammer people for not following them to the letter—or someone who has very little experience with actual fire / straight out of the academy. Unsurprisingly both of those things result in the same outcome.
Fuck the mask and just grab them.
And let’s not kid ourselves here. Half the guys on this sub advocate for that shit.
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u/skimaskschizo Box Boy 2d ago
Should’ve helped the victim out of the window before masking up, but it’s entirely possible that they came to the window after he started.
That’s why it’s good to train with the quick mask with gloves on.
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u/FartyCakes12 2d ago
One of the very real problems in the fire service is this guy was told over and over again to never enter an IDLH without air.
I’d love to shit on this guy, but I think it’s worth examining what culture and training lead to something like this happening.
The safety first bullshit has to stop.
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u/Matt_TereoTraining 2d ago
Was he trying to find his helmet? (I assume he was looking around on the ground for something).
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u/BRUHSKIBC 2d ago
“Hold on. Just hang your arm out the ground floor window while I mask up. I’ll get you soon”.
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u/Alleskaese7392 2d ago
About the masking up in germany we just mask up in the truck so that you are ready when you get out.
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u/12345678dude 2d ago
At least turn the bottle on in the rig, I mean that amount of smoke exposure I would have wanted to be on air already standing where he was standing
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u/ForeverM6159 2d ago
That makes sense. I believe the pipe man should be masked up in the rig at the very least.
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u/MuscularShlong 2d ago
Once you pull the line to the base of the fire and say “charge the line” you can mask up before the driver has time to uncouple the hose, connect it to the wye and send water.
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u/ForeverM6159 2d ago
That’s true for me, but sometimes people get nervous like the guy in this video.
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u/Alleskaese7392 2d ago
Yeah and because of that IT would better to mask up in the truck where someone could also helpdesk you Mask up.
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u/StratPlayer20 2d ago
If you need help masking up you do not belong in the fire service. Not to mention it's reckless and dangerous to mask up in the rig. You're knowingly limiting your vision for now reason and your going to fog your mask. This can lead to injuries.
If you're being trained to do this it's wrong.
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u/Alleskaese7392 2d ago edited 2d ago
Its done in like every fire Department in Germany and ive never heard of any injuries and also i have never seen the Maske fogg up. I dont know the the right Word for it but the like air Hose is not conected to the mask you only Connect it right before going. So when you moving with mask on the is like a hole wvere you can breaht out. Sorry for my English
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdvB2wgH4xc&pp=ygUeRmV1ZXJ3ZWhyIGF1c3LDvHN0ZW4gaW0gd2FnZW4g
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u/ForeverM6159 2d ago
You’re talking about condensation which I believe occurs when the you go on air and if there’s any kind of moisture in the mask the quick change in temperature causes condensation. While I was reading to be a lieutenant we worked in the cans for 3 weeks and on day 2 my mask got soaked in water and from there in our every time I went on air my mask would fog up. It didn’t fog up before going in air. Both systems are not bad or good it’s the user who is bad or good.
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u/ConnorK5 NC 2d ago
I must be stupid, but where are you that you don't pull a preconnected line for a working fire? Like I understand the situation of high rise fires and things like that but the situation you are talking about is a rare one for I would say the entire east coast of the US. Most everyone I know is pulling preconnected handlines on fires. The driver is not having to uncouple anything almost ever on the initial handline attack. Now when you get in to water supply and stuff that's different. But you lost me on what you mean by pull the line, uncouple that hose, connect it to a wye(at the engine?!) and then send water.
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u/MuscularShlong 2d ago edited 2d ago
Im in Ohio at a station that sees 200-250 fires a year.
Our hose bed is all preconnected 1 3/4” with a tip on it. Same for our 2” line, our 3” line has a preconnected RAM. We have ears on the back so you jump on the bumper, grab the ears and tip (thats a whole section) and walk it to the fire. Whether its the front door or inside and up to the entrance to the attic for example, basically as far as we can go without charging the line and masking up.
As soon as you get there you mask up. This whole time the driver and backup guy (we staff 4 on all companies) are flaking line and securing a hydrant in whatever order that company decides they want to operate. So the driver may send the backup guy with 4” to the hydrant, and the driver will see the line stop being pulled inside, and probably take another section off (he should be counting each section taken inside, and know how many more might be needed).
At this point your 1 3/4” is still preconnected, so the driver uncouples it from the hose bed, connects it to the wye and charges it. In that time it takes the driver to do that, youll already be masked up sitting on the line waiting for water.
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u/StratPlayer20 2d ago
Why? By masking up in the rig your fogging your mask and further limiting your already decreased visibility. WTF teaches you to do this? I get pushing the button and turning the bottle on but masking up is unnecessary and dangerous.
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u/I_saw_Will_smacking 2d ago
No, the mask is put on and the bottle is attached but the tube is only connected when needed.
Fogging is really not a problem if the mask fits properly.
(I do not know how the EU system differs from that in the USA)
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u/ForeverM6159 2d ago
I never had my mask fog up before putting the MMR on it. Also, settle down. I guess to each is own. I think it’s something worth trying out. I don’t put it on till last minute. A couple times I even went as far to lay my tank on the curb and get it after I lead out. As long as you can do it quick enough there’s really no delay.
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u/InnerSandersMan 2d ago
Bad look, but it appears the interior door was closed. I bet he knew he had some time. That said, I'm not sure why he didn't help before masking up. Maybe he was thinking of going in the window so the could lift him over the window instead of dragging him over.
Lots of questions. Ultimately, we each need to be our own biggest critic.
Be safe!
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u/TheMarathonNY LT 2d ago
I like my mustache just as much as the next firefighter but I would have pulled him out before masking up. Major L
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u/_namechecksout Career Lieutenant/EMT 2d ago
Does look bad for that firefighter and thier department. However, I wasn't there. If that was me, I'd grab and help them out then mask up.
Have they been reprimanded before for not wearing proper PPE before crossing the IDLH threshold? Is his OIC a stickler for following SOGs to the letter? Was he scared about injuring himself? Who knows? Not me.
At the end of the day, the victim was saved.
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u/Conscious_Future_923 2d ago
Looks like he’s trying to find something or like he can’t breathe or see did his regulator break off or something. Looks bad but there’s always two sides of a story. He even looks confused at the end..
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 Edit to create your own flair 2d ago
That’s a guy who’s been written up for not being on air in the past.
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u/wagonboss 20 year guy 2d ago
It’s 100% fine to make this grab from the yard and mask up later. Ole boy was fumbling through that nervous energy
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u/Owlrightythen_84 Fire Plug 2d ago
In this situation, just grab and go. Probably get chewed out later but, I've been chewed before.
In the future, if you're gonna mask up, practice mask-up drills to cut time down. Shouldn't take but a couple seconds, under 20 basically.
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u/EnvironmentalPea6114 2d ago
I never understood gearing up on the fire ground while the house is currently burning… personally it gives off a bad “I’m not prepared” kinda vibe. I always dressed up on the road to the fire ground and jump straight into action once my pumper E/O parks
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u/Ten-4RubberDucky FF/Medic 2d ago
Buncha piss poor excuses on here for firemen. Stop flying your recliners and train more. Dude had ONE job and he failed at it because he wasn’t ready and took ages to mask up. Full stop.
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u/davidj911 Chaffeur/EMT 2d ago
What specifically are you asking about? Why he was gearing up before saving the person?
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u/ShooterMcGrabbin88 Hose Humper 2d ago
I’m more curious why he’s gearing up at the window for a rescue. Come off the truck ready to work.
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u/PutinsRustedPistol 2d ago
Or just, you know, allow the guys who actually do the job to use their common sense and make the absolute easiest grab one could ask for without the mask because you’re standing outside.
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u/ConnorK5 NC 2d ago
Unless we are coming to the fire and we are told confirmed life hazard we don't mask up in the truck. Masking up in the truck is reserved for when you hit the ground you know exactly what you're doing and where you are going, there will be no time for sizing things up.
All this guy had to do, mask or no mask, was reach in the window and pull this person out.
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u/Past-Two9273 2d ago
This makes me mad that people even allow themselves to get that out of shape that they can’t jump 3-4 ft and pull themselves out of a window
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u/Ten-4RubberDucky FF/Medic 2d ago
You don’t typically rescue pictures of athleticism pal. Most of your rescues are invalids (regardless of reason), children, and people who may be under the influence. Your job and the oath you took was to get them out.
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u/Cpt_Soban Volunteer Firefighter Australia 2d ago
I'd be masking up next to the truck, not right next to the raging inferno. And only approaching with a charged line and partner.
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u/HotAir7873 2d ago
Training training training!!!!!!!! No idea if he is an engineer or not but as a firefighter with a working fire and a known/unknown active rescue. Your ass should be masked up in the back of the rig before the anchor locks set.
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u/South_Mushroom_7574 2d ago
Embarrassing af either transfer that guy to the middle of nowhere or the whole dept needs some better training
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u/Goddess_of_Carnage 2d ago
As important as it is to know what to do, it’s equally important to know when what you’re doing should ain’t the most important thing.
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u/potatobrain65 2d ago
When I see this, the simplest answer is that the guy is most likely one of the MPO‘s, so he wasn’t geared up for an interior attack or rescue. was possibly told by a bystander that they thought they saw something at the window …. So he walked over to take a look. Who knows what bystanders saw, it could’ve been a drapery, moving in the window due to the air turbulence from the fire.
Maybe he considered whether it would make more sense to call for a rescue or to just reach in and he may have been following his department’s protocol to have his gear on including air before entering. Superheated air is deadly. technically he should’ve had an attack line with another firefighter on the line along with a RIT crew nearby.
The bystander had to have ignored the yellow tape, walked over and reached into the window. He’s lucky the situation wasn’t different or he could have died.
The rescued child could’ve walked over to the window and became only obvious at that particular moment.
You guys are too critical of this particular situation. Yes it looks bad to the untrained and uninformed. But…. Lighten up
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u/HometownHero89 🇨🇦 2d ago
Any chance that bystander wants a job? They might have an opening after this shit show
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u/harosokman 2d ago
I came at this from another direction, why wasn't he already on air. Like why was he standing at the side of the building by himself. In figured he'd have his BA on in the truck (if it's equipped) and then just mask up and go. It takes all of 20 seconds.
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u/35thirtyfun 2d ago
Name says everything you need to know. The only other Dumas I knew was exactly the same way, a Dumass
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u/TrueKing9458 2d ago
This is why the safety Sallies need to just shut the fuck up and let firefighter's do the job as it needs to be done.
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u/bdouble76 2d ago
We all have our bad moments. This may have been one of many or his one. Either way, it doesn't look good.
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u/Clamps55555 2d ago
You’re damed if you do damed if you don’t. Get hurt making a snatch not fully rigged you’re screwed. Get filmed not making a snatch you’re screwed.
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u/thebagel5 2d ago
When a crisis occurs you don’t rise to the occasion, you fall to your highest level of training. It looks like this firefighter did was he was taught when the adrenaline hit and wasn’t prepared for this exact situation. No training program can account for every situation, but he reverted to what he was trained to. Now it’s up to the department to figure out how to prevent this in the future.
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u/AlphaBeaverYuh_1 2d ago
100% training scars topped off with adrenaline/anxiety. The frantic fidgeting and momentary pauses tell me he needs to be retrained or the whole department needs to be retrained lol
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u/southwestmanchild 2d ago
It doesn't look good from a public perspective...
But long term for his health I agree with what he did.
Not to mention if he got injured on the job no doubt some corporate body would hold him accountable for his actions against some policy.
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u/mysterysam101 2d ago
I get it inside is an IDLH but for fucks sake if you can’t mask up fast get better or just grab the fucking person pull em to safety mask up while you wait for “whoever your partner/crew is” take the window get in there and islolate the room and search and move on to the next.
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u/ConnorK5 NC 2d ago
People are clocking this whole situation wrong. This is a training failure! But not because no one taught him what to do. They taught him to be a robot who isn't allowed to think or use common sense to make an easy as fuck rescue. Guaranteed in the academy if given this exact scenario if he reaches in that window and grabbed them with no mask the instructors would have lit his ass a new one for not wearing the proper PPE.
As for not coming off the truck masked up, I'll say it. If you do that without knowing it's a confirmed rescue you're going to, just stop talking. Because you look like a dumbass assigned to staging or hydrant connection wearing your foggy ass mask.
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u/Sad-Pay5915 2d ago
Not great when civilian in a white tank top makes the grab right in front of dude masking up.
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u/Prancer4rmHalo 2d ago
As someone with no fire training at all, it looks bad. If I were to give the benefit of doubt I’d say he’s probably ensuring is gear is fitted properly before helping another which might be protocol.. still looks not good lol.
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u/Similar-Candidate-10 2d ago
This is embarrassing. I’m not a firefighter but about half of my friends and family are and I can’t imagine them being this incompetent.. maybe it was his first day and/or he was trying to follow protocol exactly.
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u/Ok_Freedom262 2d ago
He needs to learn to mask up with his gloves on and keeping his helmet on his head. Shouldn’t take more than 15 seconds. I know they say 25 seconds but that’s a lot. Train better.
Also there’s literally no smoke or fire in that window. Just someone who needs help getting out. Just make the grab and then mask and VEIS if you have too. Absolutely all a training issue.
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u/J_TheCzech Career FS | EU/Czech 2d ago
Wasnt there so i cant judge much- tho we have helmet hooks on the outside of our helmets which lets us mask up in a few seconds- in this case it'd come in handy
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u/No_Alternative_6054 1d ago
Seeing the last 10 seconds of a situation isn’t enough to start judging like people just love to do. Maybe he needed that guys help.
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u/ValuesHere 1d ago
I wasn't there, but I thought he was taking a leak in the corner.
How was he not dressed and ready to make entry, or attack, or do anything at all within 40 feet of that structure BEFORE arriving point-blank at one of the point of ingress or egress?
I did that once in academy. The LTs set me straight. Never did that again.
That family member or neighbor was about to throw elbows and hands at the fucker to get him out of the damn way so they could do the job for him...in their underwear.
This looks like he wasn't prepped and ready to rock when the truck pulled to a stop, but didn't want to let on when everyone jumped off and went to work. Or he forgot to put on his hood, or something. He was taking fooorreeeeeeeveerrrrrrrrrr.
If he was saving face, then dudes need to check that ego at the door when fighting fires or doing any first-responder shit.
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u/UnluckyPhilosophy797 1d ago
I’ll never forget the first fire I went to nervous as shit. Popped the door and immediately dropped to my knees inside the doorway and it was clear as day. It didn’t dawn on me until my backup man said “what the fuck are you doing stand up”. I’m really hoping thats the situation here.
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u/CapnKaizen 1d ago
Little interesting that you left out the part where she pull his mask down right before
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u/InitialArt9540 1d ago
So concerned with safety you missed the grab and got out performed by a man in a muscle shirt
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u/Generated_Garbage 1d ago
Is the dude's name literally Dumas? Lol. They don't call them 'Basement Savers' for nothing.
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u/delcpl302 1d ago
There is a reason you never see fire fighters run into a burning building. Responses and movements are all calculated for safety
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u/Putrid-Operation2694 Career FF/EMT, Engineer/ USART 23h ago
Youse all have very valid optics but look at from another POV.
Let's say whifebeater man wasn't there and the vic doesn't make it. That's a one-way trip down PTSD lane.
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u/Amazing_Attitude_596 21h ago
Bro needs to do more masking up drills if he’s gonna continue w this but i think i saw it’s a volunteer dept so…..
But make the f’ing grab!
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u/Amazing_Attitude_596 21h ago
Also, by the looks of this video, the room the person was pulled from appears to be a viable space so he should’ve been able to make the grab easily.
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u/thislluB5417 6h ago
American firefighters are heroes but stupid ones.
They prefer tradition over change They prefer looks over safety They prefer big useless trucks that need big roads which leads to more crashes…
The traditional is firefighting kit looks good but the European one is safer and the mask clips on in less than 2 seconds while the us guys have to take of their helmet, put on their fire protective balaclava thing, put on their mask by pulling the straps over their head and put their helmet back on… takes way to long and their helmet doesn’t protect them as well.
Also, in Europe we have narrower roads which encourage slower driving due to the psychological effect of the tighter road, our fire engines are thus smaller. In America whenever a city or state wants narrower roads the fire department is the first to protest that idea because their huge trucks already are slows down by their size. They carry EVERYTHING on their trucks to the point that fire engines go on medical calls sometimes even ladder trucks are at medical calls sometimes. America should here to follow Europe in the safety of smaller trucks with purposes. We have the normal fire engines that go out to almost every call because they carry the most important things plus a water tank of on average 3000-4000L then they’ll go out with other trucks for the specific call and sometimes they are not going. For example with a diver being needed the ladder and dive van go out, the ladder helps lift the surface support boat in and out the water and same with victims. On a structure fire the classic fire trucks go out together with a water tank truck, sometimes a ladder too, on medical calls only an ambulance goes out and this one will come from either the hospital or the fire station. Sometimes again a fire truck or ladder go out to help with getting the patient to the ambulance but in most normal cases no fire truck goes out… All this allows for the smaller trucks that are faster, more nimble and can react more effectively since they’ll be specific to the call.
America should make the roads smaller, make fire trucks better and more useful and get the firefighters safer gear that is quicker to get ready
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u/Dry_Interviews 2d ago
What the fuck is he dicking around with? I’m a volunteer and rarely use my mask but even I’m faster than that.
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u/CarobLoud1851 2d ago
This is 25 seconds of video. I wonder if we're not seeing something here. I know. At one point he seems to turn to the window and could have just reached out and grabbed her. Was the room she was in tenable? Was she screaming for family members out of view? Is there a reason he didn't grab her when he turned towards the window? Idk. He, then appears to look around at the ground, seemingly for his helmet. 25 seconds I bet he wished he could do over.
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u/chadxmerch 2d ago
Coward shit
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u/12345678dude 2d ago
Idk if it’s cowardly, I think he was nervous and fumbling and not thinking clearly, with how ripping that fire was idk he wasn’t geared up earlier
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u/chadxmerch 2d ago
At the very least, he’s dumb.
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u/12345678dude 2d ago
We don’t know if the victim came to the window after he started donning his gear. And you’re definitely not going in there without being on air. so we don’t know the whole facts but worst case we could say he maybe acted dumb in this one 10 second clip
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u/hidintrees 2d ago
Working fire, unless I am driving everything is on by the time we get there, mask and gloves everything.
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u/Silverback_Vanilla Chief said “share the hose” 2d ago
Not trying to drag anyone but it makes me appreciate tht I’m the guy putting on my mask in the truck before it’s even a confirmed fire
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u/demoneyesturbo 2d ago
We are fully dressed before we get on the vehicle. Inside the vehicle is where the BA sets are. We don enroute. This would be grounds for dismissal in my department.
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u/FynnCobb 2d ago
Listen, man. I wasn’t there.
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But the optics are B-A-D