r/Firefighting • u/AngronOfTheTwelfth • 1d ago
General Discussion Border Patrol agents arrested firefighters fighting Washington wildfire after they asked the fire crew to line up to check their IDs.
What do we all think of this? Seems pretty nuts to me. They are actively getting in the way of wildlands guys as they do their job out there. I dont think this should be allowed or encouraged. Firefighting is a lot more important than .... risking 20 guys dressed exactly like firefighters crossing the Canadian border?
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u/Serious_Cobbler9693 Retired FireFighter/Driver 1d ago
I'm not sure about wildland guys, but when I was a firefighter we didn't carry any ID on us or you take a chance of losing it in a burning building or when you are hanging upside down in a car that has flipped on the highway.
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u/lemonlimesodas 1d ago
Exactly I rarely carry my wallet while on the line, so what then. I can't prove I'm a citizen right then and there and get shipped off to Uganda?
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u/nimrod_BJJ 1d ago
I never had my wallet on me on a call for that very reason.
Or heaven forbid you get contaminated with Ethel-Methyl Death and take the public shower. Then the whole wallet is gone for good.
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u/whopperlover17 1d ago
Do firefighters driving the vehicle have their licenses on them?
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u/Handlebarheroin 1d ago
As a city FF, yes.
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u/Cast1736 Michigan FF 1d ago
The city city depts I've been on you dont need to keep it on your person at all. Never understood how guys walk around with their tri fold wallet on their pockets all shift. That shit would be annoying as hell
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u/Handlebarheroin 1d ago
That’s something the cops are cool with? We have had our chauffeurs ticketed for not having their license on them. No different than any other driver out there.
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u/jeepinbanditrider 1d ago
Yall must have a complete shit relationship with your local law enforcement if you've had multiple uniformed drivers get tickets for not having a license on them.
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u/Handlebarheroin 21h ago
For a period of time when I first got on 20 ish years ago, we didn’t. I also think our drivers in these specific instances pushed things with the cops, which escalated the situation . The same 2 drivers were breathalyzer tested on that same incident. It’s much better now!
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u/TheBrianiac 1d ago
Some states don't require you to carry a physical license, since the cops can look you up in the DMV database by SSN or name+DOB.
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u/Serious_Cobbler9693 Retired FireFighter/Driver 1d ago
We were told to memorize our drivers license#, I never carried it a day when on duty, it stayed in my POV or locker. I was only asked for my license# one time when a car decided to do a Uturn in front of us while we were responding to another call code3 and we had to stop and render aid as we pretty much Tboned him with the engine. Officers just asked for my DL# for the crash report.
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u/WorldlinessFar609 1d ago
Not true at all. Firefighter drivers are treated VERY differently. Majority of apparatus used in the US should require a CDL, which no firefighter is required to have. 12s and 24s are super illegal shifts for heavy vehicle drivers in any other context too.
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u/jeepinbanditrider 22h ago
We have "exempt" licenses in my state. Our department requires a Class B exempt license which allows the same equipment operarion a class B CDL but you're exempt from the CDL specific requirements.
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u/Cast1736 Michigan FF 18h ago
Yeah both states had laws that first responders were not required to keep their drivers license on them when on duty and operating dept vehicles (I believe Michigan also has it for the volly/POC guys that if you're responding to the station in your POV you're still good)
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u/MisterSumone 16h ago
As a civilian, I rarely even carry my actual license. Any time I've been pulled over i just give them my name and DL number and I've never had an issue. And I've been pulled over a bunch.
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 Edit to create your own flair 1d ago
Cargo pockets ftw
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u/Cast1736 Michigan FF 18h ago
Rock those as well but I usually have med shit in them
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 Edit to create your own flair 17h ago
….WTH are you carrying on your person that takes up entire cargo pockets and can’t be carried in a bag?
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u/taxmanfire 1d ago
I don’t. I’ve had it with me before and it gets so sweaty under my turnouts that everything in the wallet was pretty nasty.
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u/TLunchFTW FF/EMT 1d ago
Never did wildland, but interior id have my wallet. But my pockets are pretty deep and protected.
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u/Travler525 1d ago
Exactly this. You don’t want to carry anything on you that you don’t want to risk losing, getting damaged or getting carcinogens on.
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u/JmBronson 1d ago
You have to bring it to a fire in wildland, at least for contractors.
Once you're checked in at camp, it stays in your IA bag or in the vehicle.
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u/BasedFireBased They still call us the ambulance people 1d ago
Wallet goes in my locker when I get to work. Don't need it, why carry it
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u/Creditcriminal 1d ago
Serious question, did y’all have like dog tags or bracelets or something?
In the event that you didn’t make it out of a building.
Sorry, if that’s too morbid.
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u/qwerkywombat 1d ago
Yes lost dept have personnel accountability tags that are plastic or metal. Usually one on apparatus you came on, one on you, and one left at the mailbox or door / with a safety officer if they’re there already when you go interior. They’ll usually have a number on them that correlates to who you are
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u/Serious_Cobbler9693 Retired FireFighter/Driver 1d ago
We had our badge# on all our gear but we didn't carry tags in with us. Tag was on our helmet unless we went interior then it was left with safety/command or the pump operator of the line you were on if you were fast attack before anyone else got there.
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u/Outrageous_Let_1684 1d ago
Yeah my ID lives in my center console of my duty truck, or at the hall when I'm not on duty but on a call.
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u/firemedic3411 17h ago
Every department I worked for required a photo copy of your license to be on file. Since the departments I worked for already had my license on file I never saw the need to carry it on me.
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u/h0l0type 7h ago
I’ve been wildland and structure. Never carried an ID on me on fire ground or on an active fire line.
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u/Adventurous_Boat_632 2h ago
When I was on a wildland crew I carried my wallet wherever I went in my pocket just like any other day. You never know where you might end up on a crew away from your bus and gear and need money to buy snacks or whatever. Never even thought about leaving it behind, could see all kinds of trouble from that.
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u/firefighter26s 1d ago
Any link to a news article?
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u/ThatFyrefighterGuy 1d ago
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u/Either-Bid1923 2h ago
Funny to scroll down and see all the knee jerk reactions that are way off the mark.
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u/Radicalbrahhh 1d ago
You can Google it and find some. Sounds like they weren’t city/county/state/or federal. “Over three hours, federal agents demanded identification from the members of two private contractor crews.”
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u/snrub742 1d ago
Even if that is the case, surely it can fucking wait?
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u/Worldwar30008 23h ago
Reading the article it was BLM cancelled the contract with the private company following a criminal investigation. They asked federal law enforcement to remove them. Federal leo ID them and found 2 of them were illegally in the country with prior rulings not allowing them back in. Seems pretty fine. They weren’t contracted anymore due to criminal acts and they were removed resulting in 2 of them getting additional charges.
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u/ro536ud 18h ago
Why couldn’t they wait until after they got back to camp? If everything was above board, why did they force the firefighters not to take video? Why be someday if you know it’s above board ? These are the things that piss everyone off. Also the fact that these people are fighting fires for us instead of raping kids on an island somewhere
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u/Worldwar30008 16h ago
I’d guess it becomes a liability if you have a group of people who no longer have a contract out in the wilderness fighting fire also again the contract was terminated for criminal reasons so it was probably a bigger deal
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u/Remarkable-Ad-5192 10h ago
I do not think ppl are reading the article. And that is causing confusion about what happened.
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u/Worldwar30008 9h ago
Expecting people to get more context than the face value of a reddit post is funny
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u/Brandonrebeleight 1d ago
These crews are very well known and have great reputations of not only being kind, but extremely hard workers. It’s a disgrace the IC didn’t tell the agents to fuck off due to lack of red cards. This is inhumane and fuck whoever on that IMT colluded with them.
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u/Firemakebuttholsting 1d ago
In r/wildfire they name the IMT as California Interagency team 7 and IC Tom Clemo, and state this IMT will never have your back. They will always do and say whatever they have to protect their own asses.
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u/TeaCrusher 1d ago
This information is public facing, and was pulled from the Incident Action Plans for the bear gulch fire on 08272025.
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u/Paramedickhead 1d ago
I love my blue canaries. I would do anything for them on a personal level.
But when a LEO interacts with me on a professional level? Now things have changed. It’s not a buddy anymore, it’s someone who has the ability to jam me up.
If we’re having a conversation, that’s fine. But as soon as we move from a consensual conversation to an investigatory relationship, I’m not as jovial.
If I have done something wrong and I have caused an interaction to go from consensual to detainment, I’ll be as polite and respectful as can be. Things like a traffic stop. But It’s still all business. Short answers, no extra information, by the book.
But if I have done nothing and a cop thinks they’re going to just demand my ID, I’m walking away and laughing in their face. I’m not about to let someone in a power trip treat me like a little bitch.
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u/AngronOfTheTwelfth 1d ago
That's how the country is supposed to be. No probable cause? Get bent!
Being brown or scruffy ain't probable cause.
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u/shhhhh_lol 18h ago
The firefighters requested anonymity because they feared retaliation from federal agencies for talking to the media.
That's from the article linked in here...
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u/CriticalDog Vollie FF 20h ago
In California, if I recall correctly, part of what you are signing for when you do the paperwork for your ID or DL, is acknowledging that law enforcement can request to see your ID at any time, and that you will comply if you have it on you.
I could be wrong, haven't lived there in 20 years.
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u/Paramedickhead 19h ago
California laws do not supersede federal laws. You can’t sign away your constitutional rights. This isn’t a 20th century german police state where the Ordnungspolizei can just randomly stop people for their papers.
It is a well known legal doctrine that a law enforcement officer must have articulable probable cause to initiate a detainment and demand identification. I don’t believe that firefighters performing fire suppression activities would meet the burden for probable cause in this situation.
That said, there is the old idiom “You might beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride”, and I am fully aware and accepting of that. I’ve been arrested and jailed for standing for own principles before, and I’ll do it again too. The problem is that while I fully support police having qualified immunity, sometimes a shithead can maneuver themselves so that qualified immunity can protect them while they intentionally violating your rights.
There’s bad apples in every bunch. There’s guys out there that should never have passed fire academy, there’s guys out there that should never have passed medic school, and there’s guys out there that should never have passed the police academy. That doesn’t inherently mean that all LE are bad.
Except the ATF. That bunch is rotten to the very core.
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u/alliance501 1d ago
Is this really the best use of resources? Like even if one of them was here illegally, what harm are they doing to this country? Messed up priorities
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u/ValuesHere 1d ago
Even if they're all here illegally, no f'in way should this happen. NEVER. Not in this country and never would I have thought it would. Fire incidents, in churches, children, there's a funny pattern here, but familiar if you read history.
The officers were threatened with firing if they didn't go take this action. I would have handed the boss my papers plus a middle finger right there on the spot if asked to take this disgraceful action against FFs or any fellow responder - I don't care where they're from or they're citizen status, they're risking their lives to save.
Christ. Removing active and needed resources from a fire for something no more than the equivalent of a misdemeanor.
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u/MaintenanceFrosty542 1d ago
Remember, there's no limit to the evils an American will do for $100k a year plus bonuses.
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u/wehrmann_tx 1d ago
What’s the legal standing here anyway? A cop can’t stop you for any reason. You don’t have to present ID unless they have a specific and articulable crime you’ve committed. Suspicion of not being a citizen isn’t one of them and it sure as hell doesn’t pass the specific part if they are stopping a group of people hoping to trap one. It’s already been held that you can’t be force to show ID for the specific purpose of checking citizenship.
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u/moist-conditions 1d ago
Racist policy usually looks completely illogical because it stems from someone that lacks the ability to think.
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u/StrangeEditor3597 8h ago
They were supposed to be going after 'hardened criminals' but the reality is that most immigrants are law abiding hard workers. They have new quotas to meet and have no choice but to do ridiculous shit like this.
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u/FordExploreHer1977 1d ago
Well in my state, firefighter are exempt from having their IDs on them while on duty and that’s written into law. So I guess in my state, the Border Patrol would have to explain why they kept us from responding to an emergency to whatever power they are accountable to. Which appears lately to be no one? But I responded to the call so if I’m kept from doing the duty I’m employed to do by law enforcement, well, that’s out of my hands and they’ll have to take full accountability for whatever the outcome would be.
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u/Strict-Canary-4175 1d ago
What do I think of it? I think it’s fucking insane. I almost, for a moment, did not believe it was real. You couldn’t pay me to give a fuck about a productive, safe person’s immigration status and I care even less about theirs. This is out of control. I absolutely cannot believe or respect these people. Following orders has NEVER been an excuse for acting like this. Insane.
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u/ExactBusiness4746 1d ago
As if it could get more ridiculous. We have totally lost track of our priorities.
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u/I-plaey-geetar Probie 1d ago
“Sorry your house burned down. The guy who was putting water on it didn’t fill out the right paperwork with us so we just arrested him and watched it burn.”
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u/No_Zucchini_2200 1d ago edited 1d ago
Line up and show ID on the fireground, while working?
Washington isn’t a stop and ID state.
I hate $hit in my pockets while at work. Especially my wallet, keys, and phone.
I’ll stand with the constitution. They violated the rights of 2 fire crews that were actively engaged and working.
Thats a hard pass for me.
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u/Powerful_Rip1283 1d ago
Those guys do the work of twenty Americans in half the time. Its a damn shame.
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u/WestCoastWillyWonka Paid on-call FF/EMT 1d ago
These are definitely the people to target… jesus christ.
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u/Money_Ad2369 1d ago
I’m not understanding. Why would their IDs need to be checked? Obviously, their IDs have already been checked for employment and they’re good to work in the states if they are firefighters, correct?
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u/HazMatsMan Career Co. Officer 1d ago
You're presuming the private contractor isn't pencil-whipping forms. Happens all the time with cut-rate labor contractors. While E-verify exists and is available for employers to use to check legal status, it is not required because neither the businesses nor opportunistic politicians wanted it to be when the legislation was signed to enact it.
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u/Money_Ad2369 1d ago
Thanks bro. I never knew wildland can be private contractors. I just got my EMT license. I appreciate you.
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u/ardentiarte 1d ago
Private prison contracted too. Lots of prison labor in all aspects of US society. That's what this administration is all about. Slavery. Many inmates are serving as firefighters. But they can't get a job when they get released due to their criminal record despite their ability and professional background
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u/Money_Ad2369 1d ago
Thanks bro.
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u/ardentiarte 1d ago
Idk if you're being sarcastic in your reply but a large number of firefighting is done by prisoners risking their lives for less than minimum wage. And they can't get hired after they get released. It's a crime there is no such thing as serving your sentence
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u/Money_Ad2369 1d ago
No sarcasm at all, brother. I was genuinely asking. That’s horrible.
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u/ardentiarte 1d ago
Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. Once they serve their time and save their community they're deemed un-hireable. Go to jail do your time. You're a plague. You might have sold a dime of coke 20 years ago, but the administration only sees your felony
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u/MolecularGenetics001 FF Paramedic PNW 1d ago
Yeah that’d be a no, I hope that the crew boss and IC fought heavily against this. Such a waste of our tax payer dollars.
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u/Hard_Rock_Hallelujah 1d ago
The IC, as far as anyone outside the IMT knows, did absolutely nothing to intervene.
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u/KrankenwagenKolya LT/EMT-P 18h ago
I know this sub pretty much has a zero-tolerance policy to political discussion, outside of the occasional union or benefits issue, but posts like this are an extreme example of the fact that firefighting is not divorced from politics.
I think the mods should take time to reevaluate how this sub handles politics, perhaps allowing more discussion with focused moderation and not relying on permabans for comments that don't violate ToS.
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u/pineapplebegelri 1d ago
The guy was too dumb to work anywhere else, joined border patrol
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u/Ginger_grenadier50 21h ago
Either some of you are unable to read or you're intentionally misrepresenting what happened.
"...the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service requested assistance from Border Patrol on Aug. 27 after contracts with Table Rock Forestry Inc. and ASI Arden Solutions Inc. were ended following a BLM criminal investigation."
"...a spokesperson for the Incident Management Team leading the firefighting response said the team was “aware of a Border Patrol operation on the fire,” that it was not interfering with the firefighting response and referred reporters to the Border Patrol station in Port Angeles."
https://www.firerescue1.com/police/federal-agents-detain-crews-arrest-firefighters-battling-wash-wildfire
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u/LunarMoon2001 1d ago
Fuck the IAFF for being cowards.
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u/ThizzyPopperton 1d ago
Wildland guys are very rarely a part of the IAFF. Plus what do you want them to do, just magically know about it as it happens and dispatch the IAFF police force to stop it?
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u/probablynotFBI935 Medic being used for ISO purposes 1d ago
I believe they were referring to the lack of political endorsement by the IAFF in the last election
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u/NoCake4ux2 1d ago
They pulled their support of the Democratic candidate after Biden dropped out of the race. They're fucking cowards. They voted for this
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u/Throwaway118585 1d ago
Half of them did.. the other half have been pissed off ever since. It’s kind of a representation of the entire country
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u/Typical-Efficiency31 1d ago
Why would the iaff look out for people who aren’t in the union?
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u/InformalHeat2800 1d ago
So the guys fighting a fire get jailed and some cop makes his whole department look like a bunch of r-e-t-a-r-d-s what's new. Y'all act like y'all have lived the past 20 years seeing this crap happen.
Ps mods ban me one less thing popping up in my feed.
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u/TLunchFTW FF/EMT 1d ago
Anyone have the end result of this? Were any firefighters arrested on the spot?
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u/Grandmazhouse 1d ago
I wish it was a case by case common sense bases rather than a random blanket casting of a net. I don’t follow the news much but I thought it was supposed to be criminals and not fire fighters. Hoping the situation has a positive outcome despite the headline and cooler heads prevail. Thank you for yalls service and paving the way for the next ones.
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u/fireinthesky7 TN FF/Paramedic 20h ago
Last time I checked numbers, approximately 8% of the people ICE has rounded up this year have any kind of criminal record.
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u/lunaticwhishperere16 14h ago
The 2 Crews checked were already off the fire according to hotshot wake-up
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u/iamthestrelok Professional Freelancer 1d ago
I think that ice is a fucking joke. I don’t give a shit where you come from, if you’re a firefighter, you’re a brother/sister, and I don’t give a shit how you got here.
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u/newenglandpolarbear radio go beep 1d ago
ICE always going after the hard-workers and people try to do things legally. Weird. Maybe they should try actually going after real criminals? Oh wait, there are less immigrant criminals than native-born criminals, so they have to make stuff up.
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u/Hugh_mungus_29 1d ago
Why isn't there any comments about the private employers that are collecting federal or state money and are taking advantage of these people? Those are the people we should be going after.
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u/ValuesHere 1d ago
That means you'd be talking about the President, his family, his extended family, everyone in the administration, and, you get the drift.
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u/paramagician 1d ago
This is one of the biggest misconceptions about this whole issue. The eVerify system for checking legal work status is trash. A family member runs a home repair/lawn care type of company, and several of his employees were just arrested for illegal immigration status. He ran them all through eVerify upon hire. Same exact situation as that chicken plan in Nebraska:
https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2025/07/17/omaha-immigration-raids-are-symptom-of-broken-system/
The entire immigration system is completely broken. Many employers and immigrants try to comply with it, but every firefighter knows what trying to comply with nonsense is like. I think instead of indiscriminately rounding up everyone from lawn care workers to wildland firefighters, we should make a system that can actually be followed by people who want to follow it.
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u/No_Zucchini_2200 19h ago
Intentionally so, because employers like it that way.
We’re all aware. So is the government. Why do you think it has never been fixed?
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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat FF/EMT 18h ago
Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Tricia McLaughlin accused Old Orchard Beach, Maine, of “reckless reliance” on the E-Verify
“We put a system in place and legally require you to use it…but holy crap, I can’t believe you believed it! How reckless!”
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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat FF/EMT 18h ago
Who says they are?
There was recently a police officer in Maine who was forced to self-deport. The police department wasn’t taking advantage of him. They ran his information through the government’s own databases and they said he was good to go.
If the government itself doesn’t have accurate records on who is, and is not, a US citizen, then it’s not the fault of a private contractor who hired someone based on that faulty information.
Also, “literally arresting firefighters while they fight fire” is bullshit.
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u/TLunchFTW FF/EMT 1d ago
That’s my thing. People go off about the injustice of it, but will be silent when people pay illegals less because they can. Is that not extortion?
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u/ChocolateFantastic 1d ago
Honestly I’m so done with ice and law enforcement this is not what I voted for
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u/fireinthesky7 TN FF/Paramedic 20h ago
Yeah...yeah it is. They said they were going to do all of this from the get-go, and you voted for them anyway.
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u/onthebus69 17h ago
They did arrest and will deported 2 men they detained. Cosst of cleaning up Bidens mess. Gonna take awhile. Many are beginning to self deport
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u/AngronOfTheTwelfth 16h ago
My point is that enforcement of this is not worth it. An illegal immigrant on average is not causing much harm. However, stopping ongoing fireground operations to enforce it does cause harm.
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u/Gam3_3nd 1d ago
cops be like "what? you don't have pants that are waterproof, fireproof, with a thousand pockets that are hermetically sealed to keep you from losing your wallets? sounds like a you problem and that you personally need to fix that or just go to jail"
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u/Imaginary-Anybody542 1d ago
Anyone here bitching ever worked a real wildfire? These aren’t firefighters going interior and making a grab. What does digging trench and chopping off tree limbs with a power tool sound like?
Should these ice/holes be fucking with staffing? No.
How many traveled from MX to OR for a true pack test…. Who knows
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u/CautiousDoughnut 1d ago
“The crews were not directly fighting the 9,000-acre Bear Gulch Fire, but were assisting in wildfire-prevention efforts in the area.”
“The Seattle Times report said that the federal agents had made the arrests after showing up on Wednesday morning at a site near Lake Cushman where two crews of private contractors had been assigned to cut wood for a local community.”
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u/CornfieldStreetDoc 17h ago
The additional info that has come out is that these were private contractors and the BLM had terminated those contracts following its own criminal investigation. So these were not crews any longer involved in the fire fighting operation if the contracts had been terminated. The BLM then asked the BP to assist them in identifying the crew members in relation to the original criminal investigation. Two were found to be illegals so they were then also detained by BP, but that was not the origin of the interaction. So while everything else stated here may be true (like no one carries ID on the fire line), they weren’t active FFs and LE still has a right to try to identify people by other means as it relates to criminal investigations. We (regular, wildland, paid, volunteer) aren’t above the law and should be striving to set the examples of law-abiding. While this was framed like a trooper arresting a FF for blocking a traffic lane in the middle of an extrication, it’s turning out to not really be that egregious.
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u/lazybanana005 15h ago
Highly doubt this is real. When I was in wildland fire no one ever carried their wallet on them. Con crews have Leo’s with them as well as local LEO’s around making sure people aren’t looting. We constantly would see LEOs driving around and this could just be one of those pictures.
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u/After_Ocelot8515 29m ago
I think they're nazis and we're in nazi America and we all need to go out and buy ar 15s and start practicing at the range
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u/Steel_Representin 1d ago
I don't see a link to an actual article so no clue whats going on here...
But, private contract crews (Type 2 or otherwise) are very hit or miss. Some rock, many are sleazy cash grabs by the owners staffed by greasy weirdos.
Federal, state, county crews not so much. Especially fed level.
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 1d ago
People don’t want to hear that.
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u/Brandonrebeleight 1d ago
So the crew boss who is likely not an immigrant doing shady shit definitely speaks to the morality of said crew.
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u/joneptune FF/Medic 1d ago
15 karma in 3 years? I'm not even going to bother asking you for a source.
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u/sentientforce 1d ago
This is backwards anal.
Any non citizen, who's working, putting their life on the line - in a noble profession - should be on the fast track for citizenship. LEAST of all, be at risk for being ic'd.
Extremely ignorant.
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u/1000000Peaches4Me 1d ago
Naw fuck PD, im extending professional courtesy when I engage with them. They make the mistake in thinking there is anything fraternal. There are probably plenty of people who disagree with this sentiment, but I don't do plod job nothing when I show up. Fuck off and run plates; I'm dealing with all your etoh and disorderlies.
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u/Firefighting-ModTeam 1d ago
Not the place for bumper sticker slogans. Comments must be directly related to the topic/policy being discussed. Comments that are little more than insults or raging will be removed.
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u/Fun-Worth-2357 1d ago
Private contractors are leaches. they dont “fight fire” or really provide much support. ultimately, theyre sucking off the tit of the taxpayer as their funding is federally sourced. get em gone.
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u/Solving_Live_Poker 21h ago
You guys miss the part where BLM requested BP to verify the status of contracted employees???
This wasn’t just some random raid or BP just showing up and pulling guys away from a fire.
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u/Firefighting-ModTeam 1d ago
This is going to be said once and only once. The last time this topic was posted it turned into a complete off-topic shitshow and this post is heading the same way as well. This is not r/antifa r/anarchy r/politics any other politically-oriented subreddit. Deal with it. Keep the discussion to firefighting-related or your comment will be removed. If there is ANY more anti-government talk, or even the hint of suggesting violence toward government employees, the post will be locked and removed and those making the comments will be banned, PERMANENTLY. This isn't the place for that stuff. If you don't like it, leave.