r/FreeLuigi • u/yowhatupmom • Jan 09 '25
News Case Update: Formal Arraignment scheduled in PA for 1/24/2025.
Someone posted this but they deleted it! This will likely be over Zoom because LM is in NY in federal custody. This could also change, so take it with a grain of salt.
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u/trizkkkjk Jan 09 '25
Too many dates, I'm going crazy
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u/brunettehilaryduff Jan 09 '25
true, the frequent news and updates is key to keeping the general public and not just his supporters interested in him and the caseĀ
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u/Rick-Prime Jan 09 '25
Was Brian Thompson even gay? š¤£
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u/Cantharellus_in_blue Jan 11 '25
Homocide š I didn't even see it at first, I read this comment and had to look again.
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u/candice_maddy Jan 09 '25
This is so crazy how theyāre doing him š
Three different cases my goodness
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 Jan 09 '25 edited Jan 09 '25
The pa charges make sense though. I hate to say it but he did ALLEGEDLY commit a crime by giving a fake ID
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Right . Thatās all Iāll say he did have like 4 IDs but itās a lesser offense. Imagine he gets the state and federal charges dropped and he serves some time for the fake ID . In some other world lol
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
That could be a reduced sentence and time served because these trials are gonna take timeeee.
Iād be surprised if he goes to trial within the next year. Everything is so slow!
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u/Sofaroutinthegalaxy Jan 09 '25
I literally donāt care if he gets charged for the Pennsylvania case, like you said, the charged actually makes sense cause it is what it is. Itās the federal charges that worry me so much. šš
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u/Queasy-Procedure8045 Jan 09 '25
but why was he even asked for ID technically, he was eating in a McDonalds not disturbing anyone.
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 Jan 09 '25
Police typically ask for identification when theyāre called for āsuspiciousā people (not saying he was suspicious thatās how the McDās worker saw him) however you donāt have to comply unless they have a search warrant which they had no grounds for. He wouldāve been better off saying sorry I donāt have my ID (which is believable and he wasnāt driving so he didnāt need to have his ID), said nope Iām not showing it, sorry (again you donāt have to show ID unless they have a warrant) or just giving them his real ID. Idk what he was thinking with the fake ID tbh because now he has several charges in PA on fraud alone which can be quite a hefty sentence.
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
All LM had to do was say he forgot his ID. If they kept asking questions, he didnāt have to answer. Itās not illegal to eat a hash brown.
I donāt fault him - one thing the Blacklivesmatter community taught me was my rights when approached by police.
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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Jan 10 '25
He knew his rights. The general public population is believing that story from McDonalds, but there is no video, so I dont understand why. It is discussed if they found him through missing report or in McDonalds, I did never believe the McStory, there was no cash reward, there was no video, no proof, no nothing. He was just photographed in Donals, we have no other info, why he doesnt have his shoes on etc.
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u/Peony127 Jan 10 '25
What's the sentence for using fake ID's in the U.S.? Is it that serious of an offense as in has jail time or only light sentences such as community service and such?
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u/Cantharellus_in_blue Jan 11 '25
Although jail time is technically possible depending on the state, it's very rare for people to actually be sent to prison for that kind of crime if they have no prior serious criminal history. In that case it's much more likely they'll just be put on probation, have to pay fines, and/or do community service.
(Disclaimer: I'm NAL)
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u/superanonguy321 Jan 09 '25
Yeah the charges for allegedly murdering a guy are just way out of whack.
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u/mutantninja001 Jan 09 '25
I wish PA would just drop the charges. Whatās the point? Glad to hear it will be over Zoom, at least. Unless LM enjoys the opportunity to get out.
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
Heās always looking around when he gets transported. Seems like he enjoys taking it all in.
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u/WeCantBothBeMe Jan 09 '25
The 2nd page confirms that he did request a public defender before his family hired Dickey. So he initially wasnāt going to involve his family or reach out for their help which is sad but understandable.
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u/Oneironati Jan 09 '25
Will he have to physically attend, or will he attend by phone/zoom conference?
(Third possibility is not at all, only the lawyer attends)
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u/lostinplatitudes Jan 09 '25
If I remember correctly it was reported at the time he was extradited that any further court appearances for him in Pennsylvania would be done over zoom. Neither his lawyers, nor New York State or the feds will want him to be being transported back-and-forth, itās not practical and itās also a safety risk for all involved.
His lawyer will more than likely be there in person and heāll just zoom in to enter his plea.
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u/shikoo93 Jan 09 '25
So if this case proceeds to trial, they'll also have the trial over zoom?
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
It depends on which case they try first.
It looks like from the last hearing that the NY state case will be tried first since thatās where the suspected crime occurred (aka primary jurisdiction).
LM has not been indicted on federal charges yet, so weāll see.
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Why would they have the trial over zoom if theyāre in nyc ? Itās only on zoom for the PA charges cuz itāll be a waste of resources to go to pa again
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Jan 09 '25
Meanwhile, where's the perp walk and interrogation and manhandling of that psycho Sebastian Zapeta? HE SET A WOMAN ON FIRE, but they didn't "make an example" of him like they did while parading around LM and shoving their thumbs in his neck. I guess if a rich CEO is unalived, it's more profitable than a 52 year old woman on a subway (and she's just one of many, many examples).
Will this be broadcast or streamed anywhere?
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Jan 09 '25 edited Jan 09 '25
Iām honestly surprised theyāre going ahead with this, itās common for charges in other jurisdictions to be placed on hold if the defendant is in another jurisdiction for a more serious crime. An example of this would be the Lori Vallow/Daybell case where she had pending charges in Arizona waiting for her while her Idaho case moved through system as it was deemed more serious.
Although, I guess they need his plea on the recordā¦
It makes me wonder if they need the charges in PA to be able to bring it into his NY trials as prior bad acts? This case is so over complicated at this point.
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u/BroccoliInitial9696 Jan 09 '25
My guess is PA just donāt want to bend over for NY. PA are the ones that actually found him and made a whole photoshoot out of it.
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Iām willing to bet that there is fighting going on behind the scenes. There are just way too many agencies involved in this case. PA, NY, FBIā¦ itās too much
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u/inteleligent Jan 12 '25
The prosecutor would probably be allowed to elicit testimony regarding the offense if (1) LM were to testify and (2) he was convicted of the offense prior to giving his testimony in court. This is regardless of when the date of the alleged offense occurred in relation to the alleged offense he's testifying in trial for.
This is because (1) giving false id to law enforcement is a crime of dishonesty and (2) jurors are allowed to consider any witnesses' prior felonies or misdemeanor crimes of dishonesty in determining the credibility of the witnesses' testimony.
If LM does not testify, then it wouldn't be able to be elicited as testimony because jurors are not allowed to consider prior crimes of dishonesty in determining guilt itself. It is only allowed for the purposes of determine credibility of testimony.
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Already know heāll be charged for The PA crimes tbh
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u/thirtytofortyolives Jan 09 '25
Yeah unfortunately I'm not sure how he would get out of the PA charges... but fingers crossed for a good outcome of any kind
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u/Pinkcherryblossom444 Jan 09 '25
Is anyone aware of the sentencing length for the PA charges? Like a fake ID couldnāt be very long but having a weapon (unless proven it was planted) could ā¦ :(
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Fake ID jn PA is just fines like 300 dollars or 90 days in jail . It also takes account into your criminal record . Jail time in such cases would be extremely rare, generally only being imposed for people with a lengthy criminal history. The normal punishment for a conviction is payment of fines and costs. And for the unlicensed gun itās a 1st degree misdemeanor can also be jail time 5 years or up to 10k in fines. This also takes into account into the persons criminal record
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u/tronalddumpresister Jan 09 '25
max ~25 years but it'll be max ~15 years bc no criminal record and first time offender. he'll get less if he pleads guilty.
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u/Muted-Idea2969 Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 10 '25
https://www.panighettilaw.com/blog/pennsylvania-fake-id-penalties/ āĀ according to this for presenting a fake id to authorities, up to 6 months in jail and a fine up to $2500. Probably the least of his worries
ā for a gun without a permit, up to $15k and 7 years in prison (if it's deemed a felony).
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u/Ari384 Jan 10 '25
Is Thomas Dickey still representing him in PA? I miss hearing from him on the news, he was so fun and reassuring
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u/Pinkcherryblossom444 Jan 09 '25
I thought everything in PA was gonna happen after the NY charges why do I feel like they know heās innocent but trying to get him on something this is so weird
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u/lostinplatitudes Jan 09 '25
I think sentencing in what they said they were going to wait until after the New York trial? But the Pennsylvania case is easier really because he was found with the unregistered gun on his possession and he presented the fake ID to the police so tried to falsely identify himself which is pretty much the main charges isnāt it?
Ultimately if he gets found guilty in New York the Pennsylvania charges are irrelevant anyway because heāll be getting life, they really only matter if his lawyers managed to pull a miracle and get him off in New York.
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u/Pinkcherryblossom444 Jan 09 '25
ā¦. Whatās the chances that they know in ny he could get off so theyāre trying to get him in PA?
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u/lostinplatitudes Jan 09 '25
He was always going be charged in Pennsylvania as well because itās different charges to the New York ones, he was just extradited to New York because thatās where the most serious charges are and they take precedents.
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u/Pinkcherryblossom444 Jan 09 '25 edited Jan 09 '25
I know this. Not what Iām asking. But I thought it was NY first then PA feels weird that right in the beginning of the NY stuff theyāre also doing PA
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Yeah I did remember the PA chief there saying they just extradited him to nyc cuz he has serious charges there and there wasnāt a point in keeping him in PA for lesser charges ā¦
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u/Pinkcherryblossom444 Jan 09 '25
Thatās not what Iām asking. Iām asking why are they not waiting until the NY ones are over (this was the initial plan I thought) to do them all at the same time is a bit odd I think
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Because itās gonna take time for the ny charges ? He legit has a federal case and state case against him .. the PA case is open and shut case . He presented a fake ID to law enforcement and was carrying a gun unlicensed ?
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
They arenāt trying him in PA now. Heās just entering his plea which he declined to do back in December.
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Theyāll twist and dissect every little detail from his life just to paint him as a criminal and make themselves seem rightāitās absolutely insane. š
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
I agree- If he pleads guilty for a reduced sentence on say, the fake IDs, that could validate some of the evidence they supposedly found in his backpack.
That could impact his other cases, especially the Federal case- I do not like this!
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u/BroccoliInitial9696 Jan 09 '25
Iām sure heāll plead not guilty in PA to not mess up the NY/Fed case, but good point. I wonder how much, if at all, Dickey and KFA are in communication over this. The cases are separate jurisdictions but hinge on the same evidence. What happens in one will impact the other. I canāt imagine trusting another lawyer to be on the same page on this but I guess itās the nature of the job
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u/HowMusikal Jan 10 '25
Exactly- so many cases is expensive but hopefully he doesnāt plea guilty, plea bargain or not. šš¾KFA knows better than us though, so letās trust her and Mr. Dickey.
This is how they get less privileged people to just take the wrap for whatever theyāre accused of- most people could not afford to pay multiple high powered lawyers in different jurisdictions.
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
But if he pleads not guilty despite the obvious fake IDs and unregistered gun that was found on him .. what happens ?
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
You can poke holes in any proposed āevidenceā no matter how on point it appears to be. How was he searched? Did he consent to the search? Was this done securely to ensure that the weapon was not planted? A good defense attorney can poke holes in any evidence to create reasonable doubt.
My uncle was killed and the person literally left a letter admitting to the crime on top of the trash can he was stuffed in. The cops didnāt have a warrant to enter the house so all evidence, including the letter admitting guilt, was thrown out and the case was overturned in appeals court. We were beyond upset but cops mess up cases all the time. Itās called āfruit of the poisonous treeā.
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u/-sweethearts Jan 09 '25
CNN said it will be going in parellel
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
What does that mean ? The 2 cases for state and federal will be parallel of each other ?
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u/Accomplished_Elk_977 Jan 09 '25
He must have so much going round in his head, with all these charges from all different states and federal! Can anyone tell me what the next state court appearance is for on the 21st of Feb? If he has already had his plea hearing and plead not guilty to the state charges what will this one be for? Is this the start of the trial?
TIA
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u/Peony127 Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 10 '25
I'm not sure but I think it's called "motions", wherein they discuss, contest, and decide which items in discovery will actually be included and labeled as "evidences".
Not all items in discovery make it into evidences. For example, if the method of obtaining it is illegal or proven to be tampered with, no matter how incriminating, it will not be part of the evidences presented to the jury.
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u/Accomplished_Elk_977 Jan 11 '25
Ahhh thanks for this! That makes sense! Is there anything so far that's been in talks of possibly not making it to evidence I haven't seen any discussions on this???
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u/Ok_Category_87 Jan 09 '25
Will the public be able to see virtually or attend????
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u/HeyPurityItsMeAgain Jan 09 '25 edited Feb 24 '25
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u/snarkygrace Jan 10 '25
Maybe theyāll make another comment about the portal crashing and we can get another snarky side-eye š
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u/Infinite_Raccoon_139 Jan 09 '25
I wonder if an observer in another country can attend? I honestly donāt know but I feel it wouldnāt be allowed?
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u/Agitated_Singer1808 Jan 10 '25
If it is in person, everybody get your red sweaters and pull up to support!
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u/c0ffee_jelly Jan 09 '25
Kinda nervous because the judge served for the pd for many years before becoming a judge (I have nothing against police, there is just potential imo to side with his own), not much I could find about him other than this article:
He has mixed reviews as well. I believe in Tom Dickey though, so hope is not lost yet :)
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u/RepublicanBoy365 Jan 09 '25 edited Jan 09 '25
Wait so what does this mean? Is there any explain on this?
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u/yowhatupmom Jan 09 '25
He has charges in NY, PA, and at the Federal level. This is for the PA charges.
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u/Fancy_Yesterday6380 Jan 09 '25
Does he get a punishment at this?
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u/yowhatupmom Jan 09 '25
no, this is just an arraignment. i think he will make a plea
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u/BroccoliInitial9696 Jan 09 '25
At that informal arraignment he chose not to make a plea so now he has to.
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u/yowhatupmom Jan 09 '25
That was the preliminary/informal arraignment, it says it in the photo
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
You plea guilty or not guilty before you have a trial lol.
If you plea guilty, then you do not have a trial. If he takes a plea bargain, meaning he admits wrongdoing in exchange for a lower sentence in prison, then he doesnāt get a trial.
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
He hasnāt had a trial nor entered a plea, so no, he isnāt being sentenced to anything.
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u/Spare-Use2185 Jan 09 '25
This will be via zoom/video. We arenāt going to see him or a āperp carpetā walk.
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u/Peony127 Jan 10 '25
@Mod u/yowhatupmom : Favor, can you please send here as photo what is written on page 2? I saw a comment here that says it proves he tried to get a public court defender before Dickey was hired.
I clicked on the link on your post but I cannot access it. Not sure if the portal is crashing (lol if you get the reference) or maybe because my I.P. is from another location outside the U.S.
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u/Sofaroutinthegalaxy Jan 09 '25
I literally forgot he also had the Pennsylvania hearing I feel like we all forgot is he gonna get another fly out? I hope he gets to go in person because itāll mean he can come outside for a bit. Itās baffling to me as a no American that you can be held in custody without being proven guilty. Now I donāt know if itās the same around the world. But it just sounds so unfair.
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u/HowMusikal Jan 09 '25
I hope he isnāt getting transported again. Obviously, weād love to see him but this has got to be a bit annoying being run from state to state.
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u/MrFranklinsboat Jan 09 '25
I thought PA dropped the charges on LM after he was remanded to NYPD and FBI. Did i hallucinate that?
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u/RelationSome8706 Jan 09 '25
Help imagine they make him actually go to PA for this šš