Case Discussion
What was Brian Thompson doing in the 24 hour period preceding his demise?
I've noticed how the press has never reported on Thompson's activities and movements prior to his arrival at this "annual shindig."
In every other murder case I've read about (not many, but I've followed a few, to say the least, in depth), they invariably report at length about the victim/s' activities and movements, and in quite some detail, minimally, for the 24 hour period leading up to their demise.
But we're not hearing ANYTHING - NADA - about what Thompson was doing that night.
Even if it's just being in his hotel room, and who he was with, what his phone and computer activities were about, what he was eating or drinking, any drug activities, any involvement with prostitution (rumor only - but he allegedly frequented strip clubs in Iowa), a girlfriend (and if so, who she is or was), any arguments with other people, his pedestrian route to the conference, where he went immediately beforehand, if he was coming from anywhere besides his hotel, or even from inside the hotel such as a restaurant.
I find this significant absence of information on Thompson's activities in, at least, the 24 hours prior to his death, quite suspect and telling on the part of LE and mainstream press, including the disgracefully sloppy and shoddy way in which this investigation has proceeded, and, how it has been reported on, and by mainstream media.
What, if anything, are they trying to hide? There is a total white-out on what would otherwise be routine reporting and investigative work on Thompson and what he was doing for at least 24 hours or longer before he was shot. And he was such a "stalwart citizen" in their eyes, and they're so certain they have the shooter, so what's really the issue here?
They shouldn't have anything to hide, if the facts are really on their side.
Yes, for another example, I watched the Moscow, Idaho case from the very beginning (and thankfully, at this point, to its conclusion), but the press reported on all sorts of details as to each of the 4 victims' activities in the 24 hours prior to the murders, including the 2 survivors and a number of other people. This also included the bars and parties they attended, where one of the survivor's boyfriend was that weekend, everyone they spoke with that night - or even nodded to, their families' activities, the food truck they stopped at, the uber they took, the door dash order, snippets of conversations, arguments, photographs and selfies, phone calls they made, texts, victims' alcohol use (each having varying degrees of alcohol in their autopsy reports) and any possible drug use (which was not present in any of the victims, as reported by Brian Entin). We also saw the police footage for a possible DUI stop regarding one of victims (though it turned out they were actually driving for someone else who was UTI). And we received police cam for one of the witnesses who was stopped for a possible DUI. And both of these stops were at totally different times than the murders or the 24 hours prior. And this is not even an exhaustive list I'm sharing.
Two very different cases. In Idaho, there’s still no established motive and therefore a lot of the reporting was around things that “could” have been relevant. I’d also suggest there’s a hell of a lot more interest in the victims because they were “likeable”.
In this case, the BT’s employment and reason for being at that location are the relevant factors and those have been well documented. I feel a bit like the what he did immediately prior is both irrelevant to the motive and/or there’s probably not a hell of a lot in that 24 hours that humanise him.
The only difference that's relevant to the glaring lack of information about Thompson's prior activities in this case vs the innocent college victims in Idaho is that Thompson is a corrupt CEO and the investigation is corrupted and they're trying to hide stuff.
The motive in this case is not established either; just because a lot of press clowns keep repeating the same thing doesn't make it "established."
There is good reason to believe, for example, that Thompson could have been killed by another CEO like himself in a hired hit; the guy was involved in a lot of dirt. You also don't know if the motive could have been related to the break-up of his marriage, and especially since there's a lot of money involved, in addition to personal sentiments, as in what we call, "a crime of passion," in their case, with hired hitmen, too.
No legitimate murder investigation ignores and/or squashes the release of any and all information about the last 24 hours of a victim's activities. This is not about what you "feel" is important; that's what we call "bias." This is about what logical analysis in an objective and unbiased investigation dictates.
Do you want to find the person who really killed this guy? Or do you just want to quickly railroad someone in order to send the public a loud message that no one else better get any ideas? That these people, like gods, will quickly see you and find you and cut off your head? Even if it's not the right person?
What was he doing walking around NYC without any security detail? This is unheard of for the head of one of the largest corporations in the U.S. On top of that, dressed to glow in the dark? Could be coincidental, but who has influence over a man's choice of dress, if not a woman?
We’re just coming at it from two different starting points. I think he’s shot the guy as a symbolic act. I’m guessing you think he’s a patsy who is largely irrelevant (aside being an unlucky fall guy.)
I don't have any conclusions but I lean with the view - not as a "guess" - but as the result of analysis of the facts that have been presented thus far to the public - that it was a hired hit by someone who knew Thompson.
There's a credible witness who saw the shooter waiting all night for Thompson in this one shadowy corner of the building. The shooter 100% without question had an accomplice who called him on the phone to tell him that Thompson was on his way. This is 100% the case because it was physically impossible for the shooter to see Thompson from that corner of the building. He came out from behind the building as Thompson approached from the west because he received a phone call telling him he was on his way. The shooter could only see east or south.
If the shooter was waiting all night, the accomplice who called him on the phone was in their position all night, as well.
According to the police, LM was at the hostel overnight with two roommates. They themselves provide his alibi. It's therefore impossible for him to be the shooter; certainly a significant amount of reasonable doubt. And of course he couldn't be the accomplice who phoned the shooter, either.
There's also the issue of the missing bike on W 85th street which further indicates that LM is not the shooter. The police analysis of the shooter's alleged flight doesn't work; and it's their analysis of the shooter's alleged flight that supposedly leads them to LM, too. But it doesn't.
It looks to me like L may have been in the neighborhood, and they had this missing person case, and they confused coincidence with significance and jumped to premature conclusions, and may have even planted evidence in their zeal to bring somebody in quickly for these CEOs in their boardrooms who were banging their fists on the table. One or more of whom may even have been involved.
But whatever is going on here, the point remains. Luigi Mangione did not shoot Brian Thompson.
I haven't said anything remotely resembling a conspiracy theory.
If you'd like to contribute something logical instead of blowing your usual smoke, I'm all ears.
Didn't think so.
Don't you have to get back to United Health now? Or is it Aetna?
You didn't think I didn't know you were FOS the entire time, did you?
BTW I'm with the side that has a right to a presumption of innocence. You're with the side that has the burden of proof - and who have already been falsified by what is called my analysis of YOUR argument. I don't have to prove a fucking thing. YOU DO.
You don't get to convict this young man and send him to be executed because you "guess" - you "kinda feel" - because you point your nose in the air when you SAY "it's established" - but you're kinda used to killing people for any reason at all, anyway, and aren't you
And BTW you don't get to even arrest people on YOUR argument. Your arrest is a conspiracy theory - meaning, your arrest is fucking illegal. Not to mention, you literally have the shooter arriving in two different locations via two different modes of transportation via two different PCAs. Which is illogical and GROSSLY ILLEGAL - and with neither of them even correct.
The facts and the law to you people are just as irrelevant as you view other people's lives - when they need healthcare but you just want more money, more money, you can never get enough. And the patients' doctors can't even "prove" it to you. Nothing can be proven to you people. You reject logic. You reject morals. You reject humanity. You reject truth. You reject life. With your "doctors" not even willing to share their names because they're so ashamed of what they are - and the pittance they've sold their souls for - and not even having the same level of training as the doctors who are telling them - pleading with them about the facts which they keep denying like denying that patient's right to live, that patient's right to hold onto a part of their bodies, that patient's right not to die of cancer that could be treated or even just prevented, that patient's right not to have their family put out in the streets, not to have to choose between medical bills and food or housing, that patient's right not to be concerned about being financially destroyed by you people.
You're not healthcare providers - you're organized crime. Every one of you should be federally indicted and sitting in a jail cell - including your so-called "doctors" violating their oaths.
Americans will rejoice and dance in the streets the day you are all gone like the swarm of locusts that you are. The president who's in power on that day will be considered one of the greatest presidents in American history. With that Congress the greatest and most patriotic that ever served. No matter what colors, countries, or religions they come from - holding hands together to say: healthcare is a human right we hereby guarantee to all - that's what my God says TOO. Those people will inherit America.
Yes, I've wondered if he was going to strip clubs in NYC the night before, bar hopping, and since he was rumored to be a regular at some of these strip bars in Iowa. In which case, he could have been cavorting with quite a number of elements.
I was struck by his fluorescent blue jacket which made him easily recognizable as a target in the darker hours of that cold, early morning in NYC. Contrary to what the press has squawked, he was not "shot in the middle of broad daylight." It was still somewhat dark.
And it was almost like he was deliberately "dressed for the kill." Who was with him when he was packing for this trip? Or when he was getting dressed? Did he have a prostitute in his hotel room with him? Did she tell him, for example, "Oh honey, you'd look so good in this one?"
What are the authorities hiding here?
A credible witness said that the actual shooter was hiding out in the corner of this building all night, and where he was later seen (after the witness' report) on security camera, emerging, and with a phone call presumably from a scout. It would have to be a scout because he couldn't have seen Thompson from that corner of the building. It's physically impossible. That's why he would have received a phone call, to tell him he was coming, and possibly, "That's him in the fluorescent blue jacket" ("Mr Glow-In-The-Dark"), and it would have to have been from someone else who was "on watch" the whole night.
Meanwhile, the state themselves say that L was at the hostel the whole night with two roommates. They basically provide L's alibi themselves. It's physically impossible for L to be the shooter, or minimally, it's reasonable doubt and insufficient probable cause for an arrest.
It's nice to see someone coming in with the real questions! I haven't thought too deep into BT and his background but yes, in high profile cases like this, you're right... we would have Dateline, 20/20, 60 Minutes, and every major news outlet interviewing family of the victim, blasting out what the victim was doing and who all -ALL- the suspects are.
It's standard in murder investigations, not because you're trying to "blame the victim," but because you want to find out who the murderer actually is. So you retrace their steps and who the victim was in contact with, and in their last 24 hours, minimally.
And since you post on Idaho4, and where I have also posted, you would know this about murder investigations and the voluminous information that is released to the public about the victims' last 24 hours, and/or tracked by citizens, including what they were wearing e.g. that Xana was dressed all in black that evening - and because BF referenced Xana being in black. So don't play dumb with me, and with your "are we really gonna" eye-rolling bullshit.
And yes, you'd pay attention, in this specific case, to what the victim is wearing, because his jacket made him easily recognizable as a target for a hired hit in the still darkened streets of an early winter morning in NYC. I mean, the guy is literally fluorescent in that jacket, a Mr Glow In The Dark. And he's not a rando NYer walking down the street; he's the head of one of the largest corporations in the United States, and it's further unheard of, that he's walking down the darkened street, not only in a glow-in-the-dark jacket, but without any security detail whatsoever.
So how did Mr. Glow In The Dark arrive at putting on that particular jacket, and in terms of his last 24 hours, or when and how he packed that jacket for this trip?
It may be coincidental, but a fastidious and truly objective investigation would not leave any stone there, unturned, and who he was with, and how and why he arrived at that decision, as far as his clothing was concerned, as well.
I don't really write this for you, but for others. Your question is so obviously contrived - even without the information about where-else you have posted -- to so grossly mischaracterize my post and spread disinformation - versus an honest attempt at analysis and understanding and sincere discussion, that I'm calling you on your bullshit and blocking you - and encouraging others to do so - for your trolling on behalf of whoever really killed Brian Thompson and while you try to blame LM instead.
Yes, this is along the lines of what I suspect. He goes to these clubs in Iowa, where another poster has said, these "health" insurance companies are everywhere - it's like a disease in their state - and now he's in NYC for his conference, and he hits the NYC strip clubs. And he has some particular clubs he goes to. So, which ones are they? And who was he partying with that night? Even if it was just in his lavish hotel suite. And how much alcohol was he drinking, and were there any drugs? Any prostitutes in the suite with him? A girlfriend? Did he have any phone conversations or texts? Did he tell anyone what time he was leaving in the morning? Did he go anywhere for breakfast?
This would be normal avenues of inquiry in a competent murder investigation handled by investigators who have actually investigated other murders in NYC which happen every day, even. Because we want to find out who really and truly killed him - or had him killed - right?
But maybe they don't do enough real investigations over at NYPD to be competent? Anyone else shot in NYC, they don't even bother finding out, usually ... or they just make something up to write down in their reports ... and, like anything, it's actual practice and experience that builds real competency. So when they have to do an actual investigation because the person is rich, they don't really know how to figure it out. Because they haven't been otherwise doing real investigative work.
And they seem very driven by their biases on behalf of these wealthy CEOs. It's as if they could be sitting with the murderer themselves, and working for the murderer, for all we know. They don't demonstrate real objectivity as investigators.
I think we should also be finding out who his estranged wife was/is going out with (like, another CEO?) And while she is telling the police one version one day, and another version of events the next day (regarding multiple threatening calls which they never contacted the police about - and they have two children - and I have a bridge to sell you - and he was walking around without a security detail and in a glow-in-the-dark fluorescent blue jacket). I wouldn't jump to conclusions, but it's easy to see that Paulette is quite the prolific liar.
Probably the same reason why we only hear "but he was a father! Think of his children" and not "his children are almost adult and refused to live with him."
This whole case should be dismissed if it not so high profile, the main evidence is some handwriting notes ( handwriting simply is the most fabric item in human history, even DT claimed his handwriting was faked by someone) only gave to kfa after three month, gun not found on body or at scene at MCD, DNA and fingerprint not consisted with report prior to Dec 9, just so many thing that not make sense, we just wait and see.
Yes, I agree. And these bullets that were widely reported as inscribed -- I'm understanding it would have been physically impossible to fire such bullets from this type of gun. And once the press got a hold of that, and this in itself took a very long time for them to put together, they didn't acknowledge or discuss it, they just started reporting, instead, that the bullets had these words written on them ... with a sharpie ...? My sharpie could never write, and unsmudged, no less, on something that small as a bullet. And then you fire the gun, and the words are on the casings, totally intact? I'm skeptical, to say the least ....
Meanwhile where is the photo of these alleged bullets or shell casings, in the first place? I've never seen a photo of this alleged evidence. The press just looks like a pack of liars on this entire case. They get marching orders from God-knows-where, and then, they dutifully spit it out without questioning anything. Even if they're told to now report something entirely different, and fully at-odds with their prior reporting, like mechanical wind-ups, they just do it, and don't even comment on their prior reports.
They need to show how one can done this with a sharpie in count, Also someone check the national database, found LM never had a gun license, meaning he didn't have any training for gun, almost all the detail of this case can't hold up, that is why the persecutor suggest and remind LM to plea insanity.
Yes, and this totally fabricated story by two mysterious "German tourists" who claim to have met LM in Thailand and say that he went to a shooting range. A foreigner has to present a passport in order to do that in Thailand, and there's only about 4 shooting ranges that allow foreigners to participate. So where's the proof beyond these two make-believe people who can't even show their faces on camera? And while they sit there in their country with universal health care.
What a river of bullshit we're being presented with in this case. United Health has its fangs everywhere in the press, like all good organized crime. NY Post dutifully published these wild, unsubstantiated, and utterly vindictive claims.
And he doesn't even have a gun license. smh
Meanwhile they're busting Altoona police for smuggling ghost guns, what they "coincidentally" and very illegally "found" on him. The gun was of course planted. And with NYPD reportedly in Altoona that morning before he was arrested.
Though a reporter would have to be an idiot, to begin with, in order to accept and mindlessly repeat that absurd story ... he's considered a brilliant young man, it's days later, and he's riding around on the train still holding onto the gun?
And I have a bridge to sell you - which is the entire story of "health" insurance. This is part of their real "expertise" package, and as criminals. They're compulsive and psychopathic liars and cons.
Even a 2nd or 3rd grader could tell you from the movies and tv shows that the first thing you get rid of is the gun.
The more I look at this case, the more I think it's someone in UH itself. I think they're the ones who denied him a security detail, which is literally unheard of, i.e. for the CEO of one of the largest U.S. companies to be walking around in NY, in a glow-in-the-jacket no less, and with no security detail.
And who was he with and what was he doing for the prior 24 hours?
We know L didn't get him into that jacket. We also know he had nothing to do with denying him a security detail or encouraging him to think he could go without one. And in NYC no less. And I've never heard of parents of two young children not calling the police if they receive threatening phone calls. And where are the phone records of those calls? And how was this phone number "out there," to begin with? Nobody has CEO phone numbers. It's total bullshit.
I think nobody knows much about BT in general, and it seems ppl just don’t care for him. This is the first time where I’ve seen the sole focus in the equation be on the alleged perpetrator in this type of crime- in this case Luigi. People just loved him from the beginning for numerous reasons and BT was left behind as an afterthought. His station and position in life have beeen analyzed, but the man himself has been completely overshadowed by Luigi (and I’m not mad about that).
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Not all private schools are automatically better than public ones.This school is one of the best schools in Minnesota in one the top school districts. I don’t want to name it as one kid is still there. But easy to find and so are the rankings.
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probably just casually denying claims on dying cancer patients
he probably had a menacing big rubber stamp, and everything