r/Futurology • u/lughnasadh ∞ transit umbra, lux permanet ☥ • 1d ago
Society In a reversal of a centuries-old trend, more people are emigrating from America to Ireland than the other way around. Might the centuries-long trend of Europe-to-America emigrant traffic be about to reverse, too?
In the 12 months to April 2025, 6,100 Irish people emigrated to America. But the figure for Americans emigrating to Ireland was a third higher, at 9,600. The fact that this number has suddenly jumped by 96% suggests it might not be a permanent trend, but while it lasts, it might be a significant one, especially for Ireland.
3 million Americans hold an Irish passport, and 10s of millions more are eligible for one. Add to that, Italian passports are easy to obtain for Americans with Italian ancestry. An Irish or Italian passport is an EU passport, meaning you can work, start a business, and reside freely anywhere in the EU as an EU citizen. Even after Brexit, Ireland and the UK allow each other's citizens to work and reside freely in each other's countries, too.
Might the centuries-long trend of European-American emigrant traffic be about to reverse, too?
96% jump in number of people coming from the US to live in Ireland
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u/marcandreewolf 1d ago
Interesting and worth the post, even if not a scientific study. Thousands of independent individuals made that decision and unless there is any specific Ireland-related trigger(?), this is relevant beyond Ireland, in my view. Is there any demographic data, such as age classes, also education levels? I note that Ireland hosts headquarters of some large tech companies. Are there data for other EU countries that point to any potentially starting wider brain drain from US?
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u/The_Singularious 23h ago
Ireland is English speaking, and somewhere around 25% of Americans claim Irish heritage. Probably portions of why.
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u/1maco 9h ago
The most popular places to move to are Portugal, Italy and Spain.
The Uzk and Ireland get immigrants cause they speak English
But a lot of immigration is due to either remote workers or retirees looking for a lower COL place they like.
It’s Americans leveraging the fact since 2000 it’s largely became much richer than Europe
Especially among the Professional management class
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u/FistFuckFascistsFast 8h ago
Ireland is very popular due to corporate tax evasion.
My guess would be most of the people are higher net wealth executives from companies with offices in Ireland for tax dodging.
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u/itypewords 1d ago
Literally in Portugal right now scouting for a possible move next year. From what I’m hearing and seeing, this headline does not surprise me.
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u/kennedye2112 23h ago
Portugal has come up in our research as a possible retirement candidate, too.
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u/PastSprinkles 22h ago
Not to be “that guy” but please be cognisant of the housing and socioeconomic issues of these sorts of places - locals have huge problems with housing costs precisely because of expats moving there (digital nomads, retirees, etc).
There are so many other amazing EU countries where it’s cheap and you’ll get a good quality of life without impacting the locals.
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u/Secret_Squire1 21h ago
Could you explain what those countries are? I’m American having moved from The NL to the UK, and moving back to the US right now. A lot of European countries are struggling heavily with housing.
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u/CalRobert 9h ago
Poland is popular? I'm an American in NL and indeed housing is pretty horrible here. Though my first landlords moved to the US from NL and the people we bought a house from were immigrants from South Africa...
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u/Vlad_TheImpalla 5h ago
Romania I'm seeing people from US, Ireland, UK settle here, even some Italians and Greeks.
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u/IraceRN 23h ago
You can use the words emigrate and immigrate for the same group depending on the phrasing, so in the following sentence, emigrating is used incorrectly:
But the figure for Americans emigrating to Ireland was a third higher, at 9,600.
The quote should read: "But the figure for Americans immigrating to Ireland was a third higher, at 9,600." A person immigrates to a country, while simultaneously emigrating from their home country. When you said, "More people are emigrating from America to Ireland than the other way around," you started with from America before saying to Ireland, so the use of emigrating was correct there.
I'm not trying to be pedantic. I've just noticed that a lot of people use the word immigrants in a derogatory/negative way about certain "unfavorable" groups immigrating/emigrating and emigrants in a positive way about other favorable groups immigrating/emigrating, regardless of the context or its use in a sentence. This can show bias/favoritism, or it can be suggestive that the OP is American and relating everything from their perspective, or it can be from ignorance of the grammar.
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u/Rotten_Duck 6h ago
Very nice comment, thank you It s one of that things more of the people don’t know!
Edit: sarcasm
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u/Frogacuda 1d ago
The problem is that European nations will never have the permissive immigration policy that America maintained for most of its existence.
The current state of America is not only restrictive but so wildly undesirable that immigration has fallen to almost nothing but that doesn't mean we're going to see a real outflow in the same way because no nation would allow it.
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u/kamomil 1d ago
I am thinking that the "permissive" immigration policy, the entire time, was just a way to keep industries going with cheap labour. Or keep a piece of land by settling people on it. The immigrants themselves didn't benefit as much as the rich people or politicians
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u/LaminatedAirplane 23h ago
The immigrants themselves didn't benefit as much as the rich people or politicians
You should read the plight of poor Irish and Italians during the late 19th century. They definitely benefited from coming to the U.S. because their homes had no opportunity at all.
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u/elpajaroquemamais 23h ago
Both can be true. Their lives improved but the rich people still benefitted more.
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u/amorphatist 20h ago
Depends on how you define “benefitted more”. For many Irish in the 19th century it was “emigrate or starve”… hard to benefit more than staying alive.
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u/naivelySwallow 23h ago
that wasn’t the case then, but it absolutely is the reason for the increase of immigration to the western world within the last decade. we are reaching the point in capitalism where labor must be imported from abroad to maintain low wages and increased profit margins. the inherent contradictions become exposed every day a little more.
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u/kamomil 21h ago
the inherent contradictions become exposed every day a little more.
Makes me wonder if we will have a revolution. My kid is able to get an EU citizenship because one of my parents was born in Europe. So I guess it may become important for my kid to leave North America as it goes down the shitter
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u/procgen 23h ago
Most Americans, rich or poor, are descendants of people who emigrated to the US.
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u/midorikuma42 13h ago
At this point, almost all Americans are descendants of immigrants. Even many Native Americans have immigrant ancestors, and only are able to claim tribal affiliation because they have a percentage of native blood.
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u/Mr_Smoogs 23h ago
Those people lived in the slums of Europe where owning land was never an option for them. Settling the west for a plot of land to own was a massive incentive. Politicians wanted that land settled but it was a good deal, if dangerous, for the able bodied and willing.
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u/kamomil 21h ago
Sure, but it's kind of touted as "give me your huddled masses" like they are doing the immigrants a favour. Meanwhile, they are needed as cheap labor
I live in Canada, we currently have the Century Initiative trying to increase Canada’s population, and it feels like big business lobbying to have a cheap workforce as the boomers age. So now, it makes me more skeptical looking back at immigration in the past
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u/Mr_Smoogs 21h ago
The cheap labor that was indicative was very obviously slaves or Chinese and not Europeans who benefited from America’s permissive immigration policy. The Chinese laborers were famously not allowed citizenship. Neither were slaves for a long time.
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u/The_Singularious 23h ago
As with many things, it was a little of both, and varied by location and time period.
You aren’t wrong that a lot of immigrants were badly exploited for cheap labor and treated pretty poorly. And yeah, the people in power always did well by this. This latter part is no different anywhere or throughout history.
But there were also a lot of folks that made a much better life for themselves and/or their families by moving to the U.S.
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u/kamomil 21h ago
But there were also a lot of folks that made a much better life for themselves and/or their families by moving to the U.S.
It's just crazy to me that this era has seemingly ended. One of my parents emigrated from Europe. Seems crazy that life might be better there now.
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u/The_Singularious 20h ago edited 20h ago
Agreed. Seems a little surreal. Good friend of mine is from Syria. When they defected in the late 80s, they considered both Europe and the US.
They agreed on the latter because they found it less racist, less entrenched in old money blockades of upward mobility, and less restrictive on what kind of business they could start on their own.
Seems so long ago and only 35 years.
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u/unskilledplay 23h ago edited 23h ago
From the country's founding until 1921, when quotas were introduced, there was not much of immigration process at all. Within the next decade, INS and border patrol were created. Before then, you could land, swear an oath and were a citizen. There was no border patrol. Before INS, there was no visa. So long as you weren't black or from China, you could arrive and become an American.
The US truly was a nation of immigrants until the early/mid 20th century.
It wasn't a policy that was intentionally designed so much as almost every citizen in the US was born a citizen of another nation. The wealthy and political were immigrants themselves. That tradition simply continued until about 100 years ago.
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u/onusofstrife 21h ago
Never have you been able to land and swear an oath to become a citizen.
The US has surpassed it's immigration peak of the early 1900s. It is still very much still a nation of immigrants. You will find immigrants in every part of the country. No country takes more immigrants than the US in absolute numbers.
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u/midorikuma42 13h ago
Wrong. It was beneficial for both immigrants and businesses. Sure, a lot of immigrants were exploited, but they were leaving even worse conditions in their home countries at the time. America at the time offered them opportunity, not a guarantee of a great or luxurious life. Where they came from didn't offer them either.
Businesses of course capitalized on this, resulting in a rapidly expanding economy, economic opportunity (there's that word again), in a positive feedback cycle. Since the place was basically very underpopulated at the time, and the industrial revolution was happening, America was in a great place to benefit from this influx of labor.
So you might be right that the immigrants themselves didn't benefit as much, they on average did benefit. There's a reason so many immigrants came to America during those days; if it was that bad, they would have written home and told everyone to stop coming. And there's a reason they went to America in huge numbers instead of going to places like India, Nigeria, Chile, or just plain staying at home.
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u/kamomil 8h ago edited 8h ago
if it was that bad, they would have written home and told everyone to stop coming
I disagree. They probably wanted to save face. I feel like this is why Irish Americans became annoying to their relatives who remained at home; they bragged about living in America, but were struggling as well, but were too proud to admit it.
My friend had a roommate from an East Asian country in the 1990s. He was an international student who failed at college, he didn't tell his parents, and carried on as if he was still attending classes.
Currently, Canadian businesses are exploiting immigrants, who are happy with being paid less than Canadian citizens, eg TFWs.
Some international students (who at one point, during COVID, were allowed to work 40 hours a week) have returned home in caskets because the pressure to succeed was so great. Because their parents had sold the farm to afford tuition, so their kids could acquire citizenship, and eventually sponsor the whole family to move to Canada.
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u/The_Singularious 23h ago
Not sure about this as populations age. I would expect limited allowances, but increases from what they were.
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u/shortyman920 21h ago
Even without the recent hostile administration, life in America is just hard these days and quality of life simply can’t match what you get in most European countries. America’s really only great if you’re driven and on the career path making money. I’ve vacationed at various us cities and destinations over the past decade and at this point there’s no where in the us that’s a first choice for me to have a big vacation in. I’m far more excited to visit Europe and Asia. The quality of life (and for the price) is simply unmatched
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u/midorikuma42 13h ago
America is a terrible place to take a vacation in general. There's only a few cities worth visiting really, and everything's horribly expensive and the public transit is terrible to nonexistent. The smaller cities are generally not worth visiting; they're just strip malls and Walmarts and entirely lacking in any kind of cultural attraction. It's a fantastic place to go if you just want to go see the natural parks in the western states like Zion, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, etc., but those aren't really easy vacations either, due to their remoteness.
Europe and parts of Asia are really easy places to vacation by comparison. You can visit cities and towns entirely with public transit, walk around historic city centers, etc. Here in Japan, there's tons of tourists lately because it's inexpensive, easy to get around, and there's lots of different stuff to see and do in the cities, and even the smaller vacation towns and such are easily accessible by train. And Europe and especially Asia tend to be very safe for visitors too, whereas a lot of parts of American cities are quite dangerous.
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u/shortyman920 11h ago
Agreed on all fronts with your statements. I’ve gone through most of the national parks in the states, and the cities just don’t do it for me anymore outside of just visiting friends where they live
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u/midorikuma42 11h ago
Aside from a few standout places (like the San Diego Zoo), overall I'd say the only American cities worth visiting, to actually see the city itself, are NYC and DC, and maybe New Orleans (specifically the French Quarter). But these days they're all horribly expensive compared to other countries. NYC and DC at least have somewhat-functional public transit, and there's a lot to see and do in those cities. If you stay in a decent AirBnB and get all your food from grocery stores and stay out of sit-down restaurants, you can do it at a reasonable price too.
If you want to visit a city with excellent, clean, and safe public transit and go to lots of restaurants with all kinds of food and not spend a ton of money on food, come to Japan. Even Europe has gotten bad here, with food costs way up and everyone demanding huge tips.
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u/OriginalCompetitive 6h ago
Great place to vacation and great place to live aren’t the same thing.
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u/shortyman920 3h ago
Well that part I can certainly agree with. Like as much as I enjoy vacationing in Europe, I’d have to admit that my life and career opportunities is superior in the us. Downsides are the food and culture. But that’s why I have hobbies to spend my time in a fulfilling way
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u/unskilledplay 23h ago edited 23h ago
I don't know. European universities are now welcoming US academics with open arms. Recent hardening of attitudes on immigration in Europe has centered around religious and ethnic differences. It's possible that attitudes on Americans will be different. I can see a world where increased immigration from the US is afforded priority, reducing immigration numbers from countries that are more religiously and ethnically different and that results in some of the immigration hardliners in Europe embracing American immigrants.
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u/resuwreckoning 15h ago
Lmao it’s so amusing how the moment Europeans use ethnic and nationalistic immigration quotas it’s no longer lampooned as racist or a dog whistle for ethnic bigotry.
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u/WalterWoodiaz 22h ago
What are you even talking about? Europe is getting incredibly anti immigration of any kind. And European universities are only getting a few academics because they are struggling with budgets for European scientists, let alone imported Americans.
Also look online. Europeans just don’t really like Americans. They are viewed as loud, ignorant, and unwilling to adapt to different cultures.
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u/unskilledplay 22h ago
Tell me you've only been to a country in Europe that one time without telling me you've only been to Europe that one time.
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u/WalterWoodiaz 21h ago
Just look at how Europeans talk about Americans on Reddit lol. It isn’t just politics, it is an actual dislike of American people.
To think that Americans immigrating will get priority is classic American ego that Europeans hate.
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u/CalRobert 9h ago
Reddit is not reality.
Source: American, moved to Ireland (and now NL) 12 years ago.
Nobody gives a shit if you're from the US.
In at least one case Americans actually do get priority - check out the Dutch American Friendship Treaty.
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u/Aloysiusakamud 23h ago
Other countries wouldn't even if they wanted to, they would be risking more tariffs.
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u/_bones__ 22h ago
The neat thing about fully arbitrary US foreign policy means that pandering to it is becoming less and less of a consideration.
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u/Aloysiusakamud 15h ago
Hopefully, there's a lot of talented people that could do alot of good other places.
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u/OriginalCompetitive 6h ago
There were more immigrants living in America in January 2025 than at any prior point in history.
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u/Frogacuda 5h ago
Not as a proportion of the population. America for the first like 150 years or so let literally anyone who could show up in, there were virtually zero restrictions on immigration. Even after they began to limit it, pro immigrant rhetoric was considered a bedrock defining American value until quite recently.
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u/OriginalCompetitive 4h ago
All true. I’m just pushing back on your claim that America is “wildly undesirable.”
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u/Frogacuda 4h ago
Well, I was rather referring to the "Post-Jan 2025" world in which immigration has all but halted, the currency and economy are falling, and we have become the laughing stock of the world.
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u/Habanero-Poppers 20h ago
Yes. In the process they will learn that migration is actually really really fucking hard.
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u/cavedave 23h ago
I am not sure the trend is reversal. There has been net migration from the US to Ireland a lot over the last 25 years. Graph i just made https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1n0xfpa/people_moving_to_ireland_from_the_us_nearly/
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u/noah7233 23h ago
I wanna know how much these people moving to Ireland are making. Because with their housing crisis going on. You'd have to be making some serious money to afford to move there. Just look at a house price over there. And traditionally the people moving to America are either dirt poor or mega rich. Majority wise. Like the middle ground people usually stay put it seems. Irish immigration to the USA was historically due to famines and job opportunity. That's all European immigration to the states.
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u/The_Singularious 23h ago
Median pricing in Ireland is pretty similar to the U.S. by the numbers I’m seeing. And median in Dublin is below some large coastal cities in the U.S.
Cashing out of a home in the U.S. might net you enough for a good portion of a home there.
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u/CalRobert 9h ago
Irish houses are cheap compared to many major US metros. Not saying it's a good thing but many Americans can blow Irish bidders out of the water when buying a home.
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u/noah7233 9h ago
Yeah but my point was they're rich and like you said they blow them out of the water.
But it's like everything else. You leave and buy a house. Then when you get a job there you learn you can no longer afford said house due to. You're no longer in the metropolitan American area.
I see it with new Yorkers and California's moving to my state. Then they learn there's no jobs here, minimum wage is 8 something maybe 9 dollars. And farming is almost a necessity here. Then they leave back
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u/CalRobert 7h ago
Yeah though some people can just retire in their forties. My in laws are doing this in France.
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u/Aloysiusakamud 23h ago
Middle ground people don't have the funds, and are not the targeted demographic countries want as immigrants. They're stuck.
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u/TrueCryptographer982 1d ago
This has to be THE least scientific article posted here in awhile.
One number (one very SMALL number) alters in a year and the question is "Might the centuries-long trend of European-American emigrant traffic be about to reverse, too?"
How is this even a serious question SMH
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u/lughnasadh ∞ transit umbra, lux permanet ☥ 1d ago
least scientific article
It's not science. It's a discussion/speculation about what might happen in the future.
Also, I'd point out the thing that is causing this trend in the US may be around for years to come. Not only that, in future it may rapidly increase numbers, as things get much worse in the US.
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u/attorneyatslaw 23h ago
Ireland has a huge housing crisis and no expectation for increased building. Its not easy to move there now, and even lots of Irish people say they are considering emigrating. Just not to an unwelcoming US.
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u/quats555 1d ago
I was almost a dual citizen with Australia: we were there when Mom was pregnant with me, and and this was when they still had birthright citizenship.
We actually moved back to the US early because of that, because they didn’t know what gender I was and were worried if WWIII broke out I could be drafted in two countries if male. So I wound up with only US citizenship.
It made for an interesting story up until recently, with just a bit of angst for the miss — but now I regret it more seriously. It would be nice to have options.
I have heard Australia is turning more right too but hopefully will take their warning from us!
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u/TrueCryptographer982 1d ago
"It's not science."
Clearly.
"as things get much worse in the US."
Ahhh that tells me where this is coming from.
I'll stop here.
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u/Standard_Evidence_63 1d ago
americans try not to be in denial of their country's slide into fascism and kelptocracy challenge (a pedophile is sitting president, your rule of law and constitution are meaningless)
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u/TrueCryptographer982 23h ago
Love seeing TDS in full display, it gives me a chuckle.
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u/Standard_Evidence_63 23h ago edited 23h ago
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u/SandysBurner 21h ago
Yeah, yuk it up, clowny. Why take your country's future seriously? President McPresidentface? Sure, why not?
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u/RainbowCrown71 22h ago
It’s America Bad. Which is enough to get it upvoted by the miserable self-loathers on this sub
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u/SandysBurner 21h ago
Holy fuck, always with the baby babble. Why don’t you come back when you’re prepared to talk like a grown-up?
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u/ReddLordofIt 23h ago
Got my passport last week. I have five countries as possible new homes. Lifelong US citizen and career scientist. Every day it gets scarier in America for anyone who isn’t wealthy and not in the typical “rich people make their own rules” sense. I’m one Supreme Court ruling from taking my three degrees and scientific research background to a country that still values science and providing government sponsored social programs to people who need them. Peace out America. You had a good run
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u/WalterWoodiaz 22h ago
What would be the last straw for you personally?
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u/ReddLordofIt 7h ago
I think a combination of things would form the last straw. I’m trying to wait until 2026 but if the current admin gets their way in terms of federal research funding and mass firing of even more government employees I don’t know if I’ll make it that long. Another consideration is how the federal budget for the next fiscal year shakes out. That specific combination will make it hard to find employment in my field. I would typically wait it out and hope the democratic process prevails long term but if I can’t find a job in my field then I’ll either have to start a new career or look for employment outside of the country. Neither option is great because I love my work and the impact it has and I like where I live.
But I’ve always wanted to spend some time abroad anyway so maybe a 3-4 year move would do me good 🤔
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u/WalterWoodiaz 6h ago
I agree with you completely. If Trump gets his way with FY2026 for research I’m also kind of done. Especially if Democrats don’t win the midterms.
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u/ReddLordofIt 7h ago
I think a combination of things would form the last straw. I’m trying to wait until 2026 but if the current admin gets their way in terms of federal research funding and mass firing of even more government employees I don’t know if I’ll make it that long. Another consideration is how the federal budget for the next fiscal year shakes out.
If a couple/few of those go poorly I anticipate it will very difficult if not impossible to find employment in my field. I would typically wait it out and hope the democratic process prevails long term but if I can’t find a job in my field then I’ll either have to start a new career or look for employment outside of the country. Neither option is great because I love my work and the impact it has and I like where I live.
But I’ve always wanted to spend some time abroad anyway so maybe a 3-4 year move would do me good 🤔
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u/shadowrun456 23h ago
I've always said that people vote best with their feet (meaning, which country they leave / go to). At the end of the day, that's the only true way to measure which country is better. So, it can be said, as a fact of reality, that Ireland is better than Trump's US.
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u/joe28598 21h ago
That's only assuming nobody in Ireland is moving to the US. Which is not true, at all.
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u/shadowrun456 9h ago
Did you not read the post at all?
In the 12 months to April 2025, 6,100 Irish people emigrated to America. But the figure for Americans emigrating to Ireland was a third higher, at 9,600.
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u/joe28598 5h ago
So what you're telling me is 0.12% of Ireland decided to move to the US, and 0.002% of the US population wanted to move to Ireland?
Looks to me, if Ireland had the same population as the US, there would be 9,600 Americans moving to Ireland and 420,000 Irish moving to the US.
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u/Harbinger2001 22h ago
Rats flee sinking ships.
I’m adding more text to this so the moderator bot doesn’t delete my comment.
As things get worse, we’ll see more dual-citizenship Americans flee the country. PhD candidates will also seek to join their international peers elsewhere. The US empire is sinking before our very eyes.
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u/Ill-Distribution2275 22h ago
I'd bet a lot of these Americans are LGBT. I'd be getting the hell out of there too if I was in their situation.
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u/routinnox 1d ago
The few Americans who move to the ROI are doing so because it’s cheaper to: study there (while being in an English-speaking country) or retire there. An even smaller subset are of actual working age due to the very high COL and lower salaries (Dublin has Manhattan rents but Kansas salaries)
I think it’s great that more Americans are traveling and living abroad, it’s a big world out there and more people should see it, but this isn’t some forewarning that a certain terminally online crowd desires for
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u/GiftLongjumping1959 23h ago
Ireland isn’t that big, it will stop soon just because they ran out of room
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u/CalRobert 9h ago
I moved to Europe in 2013. For a long time (especially after 2016) people asked me how I did it, said they wanted to, etc. but not a single person did. Now 3 friends/family have done so since the election. Only one already had a passport (making it easier).
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u/naivelySwallow 23h ago
anyone know why this is happening? not completely aware of the economic difference between the two countries. although, it does appear almost every country is more hospitable than America due to how expensive it’s been since Covid.
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u/onelittleworld 23h ago
If it wasn't for family considerations here in the states, I'd already be living in Europe now.
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u/costafilh0 1d ago
No mention of taxes, of course, which are one of the biggest reasons to move to Ireland. It makes sense. Who wants people to know they have the option of leaving high-tax countries for countries that are incredible in many ways, including taxes, like Ireland? Right?
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u/KayLovesPurple 8h ago
Irish people pay large taxes too. Unless those people have their own companies, they won't have any major advantages tax-wise.
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u/daviddjg0033 23h ago
Or that the dollar was really high since Putin invaded Ukraine the second time in 2022 compared to the Euro making buying overseas properties attractive until the dollar crashed in April after Liberation Day
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u/Howiebledsoe 16h ago
First of all, the same issues plaguing the US are seen throughout Europe, for the most part. So you’re basically out of the frying pan and into the fire. Secondly, if the US really pulls an Argentina, it’s passport will get demoted instantly, making it very difficult for residents to travel (unless they already hold a second passport). Third, the inflation of the dollar will make living abroad more and more difficult. Europeans moved to the US because it was cheap, successful, underpopulated and novel. None of those things apply to Europe.
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u/midorikuma42 13h ago
Europe IS cheap these days, compared to America.
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u/Howiebledsoe 12h ago
But rent, gas, electricity, petrol and food are shooting ever higher as wages stay the same. Sure Croatia and Portugal are cheaper than Germany or England, but if you scale it to wages/cost of living it all balances out to about the same.
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u/KayLovesPurple 8h ago
It's only cheap if you have American salaries, which most of us don't, and the Americans coming over won't have either, unless they are working remotely. Otherwise it's actually pretty expensive, especially if you're renting.
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u/KayLovesPurple 8h ago
I assume that most of the people who moved here from America are already holding Irish passports based on ancestry (i.e. they're the descendants of Irish people).
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u/mrsbergstrom 23h ago
Fgs there is not enough housing or enough jobs in Ireland as it is, please can Americans stop romanticising countries they know nothing about and stick to their beloved air conditioning and fascism
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u/MFreurard 1d ago
EU economy is sinking because of the sanctions against Russia. I bet these are more people who do remote working, who are retirees or rich enough to afford not working who go to Europe. Especially Ireland and Portugal have less time difference with the US.
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u/Kinexity 1d ago
EU economy is sinking because of the sanctions against Russia.
Bruh. Even if we were sinking, and we aren't, it wouldn't be because of sanctions against Russia. Your take is literally taken directly from Russian propaganda.
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u/CocaColaZeroEnjoyer 16h ago
No surprise here. Reddit and other social media platforms are full of Chinese and Russian propaganda
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u/MFreurard 21h ago
Gas and oil prices have skyrocketed because of the sanctions against Russia, it is killing the European industry
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u/Kinexity 21h ago
You should read the news more often. While not the lowest ever we are far from how bad it was in 2022. Long term the prices will only keep falling as gas demand is either fullfilled by other sources than Russia or gets replaced entirely (2050 EU net zero strategy).
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u/lughnasadh ∞ transit umbra, lux permanet ☥ 1d ago
EU economy is sinking because of the sanctions against Russia.
No its not, its growing moderately.
Russia's economy at $2.2 trillion, is only 10% of the EU's.
The loss of their business, and fuel imports hasn't had much impact, and the EU economy has adjusted.
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u/FreeNumber49 22h ago
This started about 20 years ago. All the people I worked with in SV moved back to Ireland.
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u/Superb_Raccoon 22h ago
When I went to Ireland in 2016, all the cab driver wanted to discuss was how great he thought Trump was.
So why would anyone go there?
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u/Laneyface 20h ago
It's one taxi driver. He doesn't speak for the country. There's morons all over the world who like Trump.
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u/joe28598 21h ago
It's crazy you are old enough to be conscious in 2016 and still have this opinion
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u/Superb_Raccoon 20h ago
Are you saying Trump is great? I am confused by your anxwer.
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u/joe28598 12h ago
You are wondering why anyone would go to Ireland after you had a bad experience with a single taxi driver? Did your experience get news coverage?
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u/gugalgirl 1d ago
FYI Italy actually just made it way harder for descendants to obtain citizenship as of March of this year.