His punch was not a proportional response it was violence. That's why it site uneasy with me. A proportional response would be to restrain her hands. The guy is scum.
Done the bouncing thing. Reasonable force rules apply there too.
Edit, and we had situations with sted heads where the response was call for backup, pin them down and restrain them instead of knock them the fuck out.
He shouldn't be charged. If he wasn't a cop what he did would be legal and self defense.
It's more about that the police should have higher standards (not legal standards) than citizens. He should be at best suspended and at worst dismissed from the force. We don't want different laws for cops and citizens. But we do want higher standards on the police force itself.
If that guy wasn’t a cop, he’d be arrested for punching out a girl while 3 of his friends restrained her.
There is absolutely no fucking way that this girl posed a threat to this cop, so self defence is out of the question. The punch was out of anger. It wasnt defence, it was a punishment.
No, of course it's not, and most bouncers would even have more restraint and responsibility than this cop. My point is that it's much worse for a cop to be behaving like this.
I wish the punishment was proportional as well and we'd have someone that weighs three times his body weight have run his fist into his unprepared face like a train.
I hate comments like this. You can't say the guy is scum off of a 10 second video. Did he make a scummy move, sure. But one bad move doesn't make a person scum.
Yea, but fucking a goat isn't a knee jerk reaction. This woman could have been calling this guy a fucking nigger forthe past 2 minutes and a slap just put him over the top.
Or they lost their temper after having a bad day and at the end of a long shift. Anyone can snap and do something stupid in a bad moment, a 10-second video says nothing about their fundamental character. This could be an every-day thing to them, making them a bad person, or it could be literally the worst thing they've ever done, making them a pretty good person having a bad day. It's impossible to state it as an absolute from just watching this video.
Lol. Who cares if he had a bad day, you realize that such a blow can be leathal? If you can't control your emotions, you're not supposed to be a cop. I've seen more restraint in MMA matches.
But you're doing the same, except the clip we have of him is punching a person out of anger. Nothing in this clip shows he's an outstanding dude. So we have more proof of him being bad than good.
He isn’t trying to say anything about the guys character - good or bad - except that we CAN NOT determine who he is based on this one action. And he’s completely correct. Automatically assuming someone is terrible after one example is rash and ignorant.
I'm not trying to make an argument one way or another. My only point is that we don't know enough to say anything meaningful about his character from a couple seconds of video.
You are completely right my friend. I defended you more thoroughly below, but these people trying to sum up this mans character over one action is completely ig’nant.
It's still a bad thing and he should still be punished for it. My only point is that a single act of bad behavior doesn't make someone innately 'scum'. It's possible to do a bad thing without being a bad person.
My point is that we have exactly one datapoint which is a couple seconds of video in the heat of the moment, not a long-term trend.
He might be a good person, he might be a horrible person, we just don't know based on this video alone. Writing him off as 'scum' based on a couple seconds of video is jumping to a conclusion that isn't well supported.
It's not even a scummy move. The fuck is wrong with you all? You think that with your adrenaline pumping and some.onw hit you you wouldn't react by hitting back before you could think about it?
Thank you. I hate them too. It seems to be a very common response. "This guy is scum." No, people make mistakes. Should he face consequences? Yes. Should he be judged as a person and bear the title of "scum" for the rest of his life? No.
Is punching a restrained person, half my size and body weight, in the face hard enough to knock them out just a mistake?
Responding to your comment, that's a mistake. spilling some water on the floor, that's a mistake. Possibly giving someone brain damage? That's a little bit more then a mistake. That's a whoopsy
What constitutes a mistake has nothing to do with the consequences.
It was a decision made in a split-second, in a fast and stressful situation. Was it wrong? Yes. Should he face consequences? Yes. Does that mean he is scum? No.
People around here are so righteous, they've never made a mistake, so they can go around deciding who is a good person and who is scum based on a 10-second gif.
Yeah, totally. If i ever punch a restrained person in the face I'll stop judging this guy. Unfortunately for him, i'm out of high school and also have self-control. Have a great day!
It was an over the top response by the cop and it wasn't needed. I get the frustration he and the other cops were dealing with, but this unfortunately is what your job entails and you have to keep some level of composure.
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His punch was not a proportional response it was violence. That's why it site uneasy with me. A proportional response would be to restrain her hands. The guy is scum.