r/HadToHurt Nov 05 '17

Drunk fan slaps a cop

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u/toeofcamell Nov 05 '17

Dude with the Bud Light was like, oooh snap, don't smack cops, got it

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u/Greatmambojambo Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

I don’t know why people are celebrating this. A cop‘s job isn’t to retaliate against people. They’re supposed to contain people and enforce the rules, not to punch people in revenge. American cops are trained to use violence in any scenario no matter how big the actual threat is and I don’t think that’s good.

Edit: Many people arguing that if you slap a cop, you should definitely expect police brutality. Definitely not. You should expect consequences, not to be knocked the fuck out. You should expect the cop to handle this situation professionally, not to get into a brawl with a drunken woman. You should expect the cop to be the moral authority he‘s supposed to be, not to get on the level of a drunken person. You should expect the cop to make reasonable use of force to achieve his goal, not to deal out full force blows to the face in revenge for a slap. You should expect the cop to de-escalate the situation, not to turn up the violence. It’s worrisome how many people seem to just accept excessive and unreasonable use of violence, as long it’s a cop doing it.

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u/we_are_monsters Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

I’m not sure people are celebrating it so much as they are saying “well what the fuck did you expect when you hit a cop?”

Edit: By saying it should be expected, I’m not defending his actions as reasonable or holding them up as good policing practice. I think American police culture is too quick to resort to violence and is horrible at de-escalating situations. But, that all goes into why I said it should be expected. I’m not saying it should be accepted or condoned, only that I fully expect an American cop to hit you back if you hit them.

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

“well what the fuck did you expect when you hit a cop?”

I'd expect that cop to grab my arm and restrain me so I wouldn't be able to hit him again.

Did she deserve that? Yes.

Does that make it ok? No.

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u/LOL_BUTTS_ Nov 05 '17

I would like for the cop to grab my arm and restrain me so I wouldn't be able to hit them again.

I would expect to get some teeth knocked out.

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u/Nieunwol Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

That was OP's point. That doesn't happen in a lot of countries Western Europe or East Asia, e.g. Japan. You should be detained, not injured by police acting as their own judge, jury and executioners (Or teeth knocker-outers)

Edit: I should have made it clear I meant that it doesn't happen in a lot of countries with a similar socioeconomic situation to the US. Sure if you want to count war-torn countries, countries with dictators or violent regimes then yeah, it does happen in a lot of other countries. Kind of sad we have to compare American policing to those places though, right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

How do you know that? You do research on their cips? Go slap a chinese cop, see what happens

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u/Nieunwol Nov 05 '17

I'm a European currently living in Japan so I have some decent experience with the other side of the coin.

But yeah you have a fair point about Chinese police, I would rate them very poorly and have had bad experiences personally. Chinese police might actually be fairly similar to American police, believe it or not. They have a "get shit done" attitude which can often result in suspects being treated with little regard for their health or safety

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Fair enough. I think its alot more common in all countries than anyone thinks because copd are humans and humans dont like getting hit and sometimes emotions can overpower habits from training.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Jul 22 '20

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u/Nieunwol Nov 05 '17

Public health and public safety come first, and sadly America is sorely lacking in both areas. Yeah we enjoy lots of privileges and are lucky as there are lots of worse places to live, but being the greatest country in the world means safety and a good legal process should be a huge priority.

That police officer is there to protect the people, including that drunk woman. It is not his job to punish her. If he is uncapable of handcuffing a drunk person rather than sucker punching them until they stop moving then he is terrible at his job.

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u/bouncylitics Nov 05 '17

Cop uses excessive brutality, he should expect to be suspended or fired too, right?

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u/exuviate Nov 05 '17

We are owed those rights and justices, though. Everyone is, just some people don't get them.

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

Actually it happens in a shit ton of countries.

You've just watched too much Swedish police who run away and then ask for military support to enforce the law.

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u/Nieunwol Nov 05 '17

I guess if you count countries in a bad socio-economic situation then yeah it's a shit ton of countries.

But you'd expect America to be as good at policing as European countries without injuring or murdering people

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

America hasn't had to stop building police stations because they can't enforce the law yet.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/13/sweden-police-station-suburb-dangerous/

http://time.com/4990765/sweden-bombs/

So I guess America's actually doing better. It's also worth noting that NYC is actually less dangerous than London, so, Good Job NYPD.

https://londonist.com/2016/05/how-dangerous-is-london

But nope, drunk bitch gets slapped when she's punching the head of the cop carrying her, rather and just getting dropped on her ass, and suddenly its the stasi.

Noticed this quite a bit with Americans these days, nobody wants to actually take responsibly for their own actions, they just want others take their shit. I mean what's she supposed to do? Not get stupidly drunk at the game? Not get herself thrown out? Not Punch the cops who've finally had enough of trying to talk her down and just carry her out?

Nope, she clearly suffers from compulsive alcoholism and a need to flail her arms like a child.

Do as I say, not as I do. We could fucking coin that as the motto of modern America.

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u/TimidGoalie Nov 05 '17

Nah.... the cops should be trained in proper restraint techniques. This looks like a bunch of frat boys about to rape a drunk chick

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u/AntsInMyEyesJonson Feb 19 '18

Lol you're posting a fucking Breitbart article, get the fuck out of here.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 08 '17

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

How come Europeans go from "America is the worst in the world!" to "America is worse than some European countries!" when somebody reminds them off the other 5 continents.

It's almost like they forget they're not the only nations out there. But given that Sweden recently considered asking for support from their military for policing certain communities. You might want to consider a little brutality.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/20/swedish-politicians-propose-deploying-military-no-go-zones/

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 08 '17

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

Remember kids, if you can't argue facts, attack the sources.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 08 '17

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u/guska Nov 06 '17

My impression is that it's not quite satire, but worse than tabloid.

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u/IAmTryingRingo Nov 05 '17

Asked for support in order to avoid potential deaths.

In America you won't even react to massacres to prevent future actual deaths.

The fact that your country is stagnating and without progress does not make it better.

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u/bouncylitics Nov 05 '17

Nice national enquirer article.

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

Cite a source that proves me wrong.

Or just admit that you have no information and just a collection of presuppositions and pre-programmed rejections of facts that make you uncomfortable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

breitbart

Hahahahahahahahaha

Since Breitbart only does national news, do you get your local news from the schizophrenic guy who lives under a bridge?

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u/jarch5 Nov 05 '17

Mexican police may be crap in many ways, but in scenarios like this they often behave way better imo.

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u/TwelfthCycle Nov 05 '17

With the tourists maybe, but the gloves come off when they're dealing with people who aren't connected.

Unless of course you can pay....

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

So the officer here holding this girl's leg should allow her to keep slapping him? Drop the leg to restrain her arm? I think he put her is a position where they could get her out of the stands and properly restrain her without her continuing to strike him. I agree that police officers shouldn't hit people in "revenge" but I think OP misrepresented his action as revenge. I see it as incapacitating an aggressive perp while attempting to control her. Pepper spray and tasers are also used to this end.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Are you from Western Europe? Because I'm from there and I would 100% expect a police officer to hit me when I hit them first. And the police in my country are ridiculed for being weak and having no authority.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

It doesn't even happen in Northen North America.

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u/k0mputa Nov 05 '17

then i would propose in all sincerity that you do some research and look into why it happens here in USA and not in socio-economicly-similar countries like the ones you cited. And report back to us your findings. There must be something different about the USA than those other countries, and not only one difference .. i bet your research will reveal dozens of differences.

A few i can think of off the top of my head are: * the country's gun-culture (or lack thereof) * the typical type of crimes * typical causes of death of police and death rate of police * culture, value systems, sub-cultures

i look forward to what you find out and your conclusions based on that data

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

That's weird, I expect that a society should hold its law enforcement to a higher standard.

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u/AadeeMoien Nov 05 '17

America has no standards.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

American here. That's fair. A lot of us are pretty pissed about it though.

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u/Sabastomp Nov 05 '17

What's really weird is the absolute lack of personal responsibility and self awareness in this thread.

Do you genuinely, honestly, expect to be treated like someone important when you're so belligerently drunk that you have to be bodily carried out of a stadium?

Because you're not important. You're Drunk #27 today, and officer Noname is already sick of everyone's shit. You think it's a good idea to strike at him? You're just Drunk #27 of maybe 50 he's got to deal with today, So fuck you and your attacking, go to sleep, he'll have the EMTs give your punk ass a band-aid.

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u/_ImYouFromTheFuture_ Nov 05 '17

haha, not in america. if you wanna get away with murder, be a cop.

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u/renato502 Nov 05 '17

I live in Brazil. If you pull that shit here with a cop, you'd be taken to a quiet place and executed

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u/stven007 Nov 05 '17

And that's the problem with cops in the US. It shouldn't be expected.

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u/areyouseriousdotard Nov 05 '17

Hit a nurse and they will restrain you, don't know why cops can't have the same rules and self control as nurses. This cop should lose his job. The girl barely connected. And, it's a drunk girl, could do serious damage reacting like that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Well to be fair he didnt have access to her arms to keep her from resisting till she was knocked. It was clearly time for her to quit resisting and be removed, but then she went and assaulted an officer and aggravated the situation.

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u/doughboy192000 Nov 05 '17

She obviously wasn't complying so they had to carry her... then she hits a cop who was nice enough to carry her out instead of forcefully restraining her on the stairs. So no... fuck this drunk ass

I replied to the wrong person but yeah.

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u/polskleforgeron Nov 05 '17

You slap a cop, justice is supposed to punish you. Not the cop. Especially when it's obvious she's not a threat.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Sep 16 '20

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u/keygreen15 Nov 05 '17

I almost didn't catch the sarcasm.

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u/fuckyoubarry Nov 05 '17

SHE ALMOST SLAPPED THE EYES RIGHT OUT OF HIS SKULL

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u/chowl Nov 05 '17

If she isnt a threat then why are there 4 guys having to hold and carry her?

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u/CMDR_BlueCrab Nov 05 '17

Because it’s easier with more people. Duh

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u/curlyfries345 Nov 05 '17

Because she's refusing. Refusing =/= posing a threat.

How is that not obvious and how the hell do you have 14 upvotes?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

The people defending the cop are the ones who go out and try to become cops. That's why this climate is the way it is. The police force has a shit reputation which makes decent people less likely to take the job. It's only going to keep getting worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Slapping officer = aggravated assault, therefore threat neutralized

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u/Sniper_Brosef Nov 05 '17

Hitting is assault, not simple refusal.

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u/baked_ham Nov 05 '17

She’s hitting that guy in the face. That’s a threat. One of those tramp nails could take his eye out.

They could all drop her, pin her to the stairs, sit on top of her and cuff her, which is a lot more painful than eating a punch, which is a lot more painful than complying and being escorted away.

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u/stuffandmorestuff Nov 05 '17

Jesus Christ.

Why are we jumping to the worst outcome . "they could have just shot her and left her on the stairs"

Or they could do their fucking job like theyre trained and deescalate a situation. At no point should a girl that size ever be thrown to the ground and sat on. Unless your the worlds weakest, most pussy ass cop.

If an officer that size can't control a girl that size, he's needs some serious training.

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u/baked_ham Nov 05 '17

Watch the video, there were 4 cops restraining her with a reasonable amount of force and she was still able to slap that guy.

Now any one of those cops could easily, using force, control a girl that size. But then you would be in the same situation asking why one cop used so much force. So you have multiple people all using less force than they’re capable of in an effort not to hurt her. But she’s still able to hurt them. Guess what solved it? A swift punch to the face, not deadly, not unreasonable and it immediately solved the problem.

Nothing done here would appease you. Either one guy is a “pussy ass cop” for not restraining her using the force necessary, or 4 cops are pussies for punching the lady, who was not restrained and still able to hit them.

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u/stuffandmorestuff Nov 05 '17

Lol no. 4 cops use necessary force and get a feather of a drunk girl restrained.

It's pathetic that a grown man that size felt the need to punch her.

Tell me, what do you think happens if that situation plays out in public. Two girls are arguing, a guy comes over to break it up. Grabs the girl and she limply slaps him. He punches her in the head and knocks her out.

That dude gets his ass beat and the cops called. That shit is not okay. What the hell is wrong with people and violence.

Like, do you really think 4 cops couldn't control that girl? The fact that she's even able to slap one of them shows they don't have control of that situation. That's fucking amatuer.

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u/philcannotdance Nov 05 '17

Logical fallacy my dude

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Everyone is a threat when they're drunk. They're unpredictable and violent.

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u/fowlraul Nov 05 '17

I’ve had a similar experience, was charged with drunk driving...on a bicycle - I genuinely tried to be respectful and and actually called the cop “friend” to he replied “I’m not your fuckin friend, asshole” while man-handling me as I was fully cooperating. It was obvious that this guy enjoyed the violent part of his job. For whatever that’s worth.

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u/TheBatmanToMyBruce Nov 05 '17

Union lift rules.

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u/Foot-Note Nov 05 '17

Clearly she is a threat considering she just slapped him in the face. You think it wouldn't be easy for her to purposefully or accidentally hook his eye when she was slapping him?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

So drunk she missed the first one, yup we have an active slapper, time to get the riot gear.

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u/Metro42014 Nov 05 '17

Ok, how about "clear and present" danger, rather than "threat"?

Why are you ok with cops punching people in retaliation for a scratch? I just can't see the sense of it.

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u/EricFromWV Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

Why are you okay with someone assaulting a police officer? The above comment was correct - it's all too easy for a "scratch" as you say to hit an eye and cause serious damage. The officer was reasonable to prevent that from happening again.There's no way this should be considered police brutality.

Edit- The police are at fault here too for not restraining her properly in the first place.

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u/doctorfunkerton Nov 05 '17

Is LITERALLY ANYONE in this thread saying that the woman is in the right?

You're just pulling a bullshit straw man out of your ass.

The point a lot of people are making is that it is an excessive and unnecessary response by the cop

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u/stuffandmorestuff Nov 05 '17

This is always the response from these people though.

It's an entirely black and white world. "Break any law, death penalty". Every argument is like this.

"Yeah, she was wrong. But do we really need to go that far?" "IF SHE DIDNT WANT TO GET BEATEN HALF TO DEATH SHE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL THE LITTLE MAN SAID TO WALK! JAY WALKING IS A CRIME IS THAT SO HARD IDIOT!!"

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u/EricFromWV Nov 05 '17

I'm saying it wasn't unnecessary. What she did could have seriously injured him. The ideal thing to do would be to put her down and handcuff her properly, but I don't fault the officer for reaching the way he did. It seems to me that if this wasn't a woman, nobody in this thread would be rushing to call this brutality.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

What if she had a gun? Do you know she doesn't have one? Does the cop? Did they search her before carrying her off? How do they know? How do you know? We can play what-if all day and justify a taze-on-sight policy. Any action could seriously injur the cops. One of the cops could have fell down while carrying her and hit his head on concrete and died.

Risk-assessment is a complex subject and takes lots of work to do correctly. It's not something that can usually be done by the average person in a split second. Besides, we know how the cop felt about his safety by watching the video. If he feared for his well-being he would have put her down and handcuffed her after she hit him. Instead he hit her and then kept going. It was a knee-jerk reaction on his part. Not some careful consideration of risk that he learned from years on duty.

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u/EricFromWV Nov 05 '17

I'm saying that the specific action she did was agressive and would reasonably injure a person. I don't like seeing people be punched in the face by police, but I do not fault the officer for reacting the way he did in this case I do fault them for not restraining her in the first place, though.

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u/doctorfunkerton Nov 05 '17

So now your argument is a hypothetical "if it wasn't a woman..." stance...brilliant

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u/EricFromWV Nov 05 '17

Did you miss the part where I said the action wasn't unnecessary? That's the more important bit.

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u/Last5seconds Nov 05 '17

Maybe the cop has had a shitty day and at that point he needed to let his frustration out. Maybe he’s in the middle of a divorce and his kids are assholes? Maybe the cop is a human being and said to himself “did this bitch just hit me” and naturally tagged her back.

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u/doctorfunkerton Nov 05 '17

Ok sure those are all very relevant imaginary scenarios /s but that doesn't justify it at all.

Both of these people were in the wrong, but it was clearly not an appropriate response by him given the situation or his position of power.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

Lol yeah she might even knunchucks hidden in her shorts. It's important cops stay vigilant

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u/tooSlowtooFrivolous Nov 05 '17

This times a million.

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u/stuffandmorestuff Nov 05 '17

Then use proper training and deescalate a situation. Use proper technique in restraining her.

It's their fucking job and they can't do it right.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Jul 05 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

So in the vid, did that slap really hurt the cop or his "irreplaceable vision"? she barely touched him, and he full-on punched her in the head. how was that justified?

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u/PMmeYOURnudesGIRL_ Nov 05 '17

That’s like saying it wasn’t appropriate because someone shot at him but the bullet didn’t strike him so he shouldn’t have acted as though it was a threat. She tried three times to slap him. Is he supposed to wait until they get harder or closer to his eye?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Maybe as a policeman he should have cuffed her instead of punching her in the head, if he thought she was such a threat. What is it with people defending that cop in this thread?

It's this kind of "she deserved it, she's a criminal" bullshit that leads to unarmed people getting shot by the police

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Jul 05 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

That's right, you don't. Does that mean what that cop did was right?

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u/Housesit Nov 05 '17

Exactly. There’s a undercurrent of “it’s just a girl” going on here. As if your eyeball can tell whose is swinging fingernails at it.

It’s an overreaction maybe, but it seems like it might be the first taste of real world consequences this girl has ever experienced.

I’d call it a great learning experience for everyone. Maybe the cops will now just force cuffs on everyone being belligerent (despite the inevitable heckling/ridicule for doing this to a “tiny girl”) and the girl can learn what all men and most minority women already know: you swing on a meathead or a cop, you’re going to pay a price.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Perhaps the police should carry around a restraint device with them at all times. Something that goes around the wrists should suffice. Hell maybe you engage the device behind the persons body for additional effectiveness.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

So if you are swinging at a cop s/he should allow you to strike them or keep their distance until you calm down and then have the judge add to your sentence?

Or should s/he tase your ass so you can be properly restrained without any injury to the officer?

Yeah it's the second one. This "punishment by cop" red herring is laughable. This isn't punishment by cop, it's self defense in the course of restraining a suspect.

I get the feeling there is a lot of white-knight virtue signaling going on in this thread. If this was a guy, I doubt this comment section would have half the objections of this one, and they'd still be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

If 4 people can’t restrain you then you need to be put in handcuffs. It’s what they were invented for. They subdue a threat. If the officers didn’t asses her as a threat then that’s on them. It’s excessive force no matter how you look at it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

No it's not, they were getting her away from the banister she was clinging to, so they could handcuff her. She assaulted an officer and he moved to incapacitate her until she could be controlled.

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u/CGB_Zach Nov 05 '17

I think its obvious she is a threat. She is very obviously drunk and slaps him twice.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

She isnt supposed to slap and he isnt supposed to retaliate. This is called humans being humans. Nothing more

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

The way real law enforcement works there's a shit-ton of "extrajudicial" punishment.... and there's not a god damned thing that will happen to any cop that exercises that under the right circumstances.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

How do you know she's not a threat? Maybe she scratches at their eyes, maybe she's got a knife. She is clearly doing hate very she can to harm them. This is not police brutality, this is securing her with proper use of force.

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u/baked_ham Nov 05 '17

She is a threat: she’s slapping cops who are trying to restrain her. She could catch them in the eye with one of those nails.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Yeah and he could have killed her if he hit her in the right place. Let’s play fucking hypotheticals. It’s excessive force and this shit needs to stop

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u/baked_ham Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

She needs to stop attacking officers trying to do their job. There’s nothing hypothetical about it. She needed to be restrained multiple ways by multiple cops because she CHOSE to act disorderly. She still wasn’t restrained enough and punching her in the face fixed that pretty instantly.

She had plenty of options to not get punched in the face, and she threw everyone out the window.

She could have been orderly and not deserved to get removed from a stadium.

She could have complied when they tried to remove her.

She could have not smacked one of the guys carrying her out.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

She wasn’t in the right state of mind to make any of those decisions correctly. The officer is stone cold sober and is in no way threatened. He is paid to make the right choices, not only that but he has taken a position to serve and protect. The only serving he did was a hook to the face of a non threat and to protect his dignity. I would absolutely excuse this behavior if he were alone. He had multiple officers in assistance. This was purely based on retaliation.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

She was being drunk and belligerent and deserved to spend the evening in the drunk tank.

Dude needs better self control if he's gonna wear a gun and badge, that simple. How long til he kills someone for pissing him off and disrespecting his authoritah?

My mom was a 50-something-belligerent drunk who had the cops called on her. [Edit: for context since this is blowing up: she was drunk and walked to the corner store. She got in a verbal altercation with someone who had parked in the handicap spot. That person wanted to make sure she made it home safe, so he followed her home. She called the police to report a strange man following her home. He had already called the police because he was concerned she wouldn't make it home safely. End edit] She could not have hurt a fly, she just didn't have the muscle mass. They beat the fuck out of her. I still remember the pics of her bruises, I thought she literally had necrosis she was so dark purple. They broke bones.

My mom almost certainly started it. She almost certainly said something she shouldn't have.

She didn't deserve to get beaten half to death.

Fuck america's police.

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u/Metro42014 Nov 05 '17

Ex-fucking-actly!

I think we need to pay cops more, and give them more vacation and trianing (and yes, I'll pay more in taxes for this), because their jobs are fucking hard. And I don't wantn them working when they're super stressed out.

They need to be above beating people up to get them to comply, and absolutely above retaliation, which should be treated as a new crime IMHO.

Just because you're an asshole to cops (up to and including some physical abuse), they should have the training and tools to be able to take you into custody without physical harm caused by them.

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u/PMmeYOURnudesGIRL_ Nov 05 '17

Half of the reason it’s a problem at all is a lack of training IMHO. You can’t expect the officer to de escalate a situation if you’ve never given them the training to do so. Same goes for appropriate use of force. Most of it comes down to what you can’t do when it should be why you can’t do certain things and what you should do instead. I don’t know why we’ve allowed this to become such a problem...

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u/subzero421 Nov 05 '17

We should also require cops to have a 4 year college degree to go along with the higher pay. This kind of negative cop behavior goes down with the more education they have.

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u/chintzy Nov 05 '17

Sounds similar to when the local police put this old mentally ill guy in the hospital for assaulting them

I think the same thing about your story as I did the old man: why the fuck are this person's children letting them run around and terrorize people. Your mom is an alcoholic who routinely endangers the public. If her children cared enough to do something about it (put her in a home, put her in a treatment facility, take her home with you) she wouldn't be out on the streets hurting people.

That old man is back and harasses people all day. Some day he is gonna kill someone or get killed. If your mom is out and drinking, same fucking story.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Well I was 13, so yaknow

My mom lived in an apartment that her parents paid for and they have literally spent millions of dollars treating and housing her so she wouldn't end up on the street, it's never just that easy with mental illness.

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u/RunGeorgeRun Nov 05 '17

Or, don't be a dumbass to the point you get the cops called on you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

I mean, yeah, but we design systems to account for idiocy.

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u/Sabastomp Nov 05 '17

Dude needs better self control if he's gonna wear a gun and badge, that simple

You've obviously not spent much time around crowds of belligerent drunk people. If she's belligerent enough to strike a cop bodily carrying her, the next attempt to free herself will involve a weapon.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

I've spent enough time around drunk people to know they should be held responsible for their actions.

I've also spent enough time around violent authority figures to know that was a calculated strike from anger and bruised pride. He probably doesn't deserve to lose his badge if this is a one off.

But if that's me and I'm trying to subdue a drunk chick in that situation and I cold clock her in response to a drunken half slap I'd go to fucking jail.

He should be held to at least the same standards as the citizenry.

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u/DinosAteSherbert Nov 05 '17

I worked in a locked psych hospital and a detention center. Resorting to hitting was never an option. I had like a week of training for restraining aggressive and combative people. So if employees with that little training are able to refrain from retaliating like that I think an officer with his 6 months of training should be able to do the same. There shouldn't be a lot of beat their asses kind of response

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u/sternpolice Nov 05 '17

He shouldn’t have hit her. Period. I’m sure he got in trouble over it.

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u/jomdo Nov 05 '17

Agreed. It could've been dealt with rather easily, and not emotionally.

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u/YoungCinny Nov 05 '17

Are you being serious or just arguing to argue? If your little brother is hitting you he's also a danger. Do you knock him out with a right hook or do you grab and restrain him because you're not a piece of shit?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited May 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

she clearly didn't pose any fucking threat

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u/Rousseau_Reborn Nov 05 '17

He should of shot her, you are right

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u/Should_have_listened Nov 05 '17

should of

Did you mean should've?


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u/jman12234 Nov 05 '17

Good bot.

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u/_ImYouFromTheFuture_ Nov 05 '17

Nah, fuck you and fuck the police. How does a small red mark from a drunk slap deserve having your teeth knocked out and possibly having your jaw broken. This is clear excessive force and the cop should be charge accordingly. Fuck the police.

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

How would you feel if he'd have taken his gun out and shot her?

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u/SbrbnHstlr Nov 05 '17

Lethal force =/= Violence

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

Bear with me on this one.

Why are you against him shooting her?

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW Nov 05 '17

Cause she'd be dead. I don't even disagree with your argument here, but this example is terrible.

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

OK. Shooting is going too far. I'm glad you think so. That's a good start.

How about if he'd taken his baton out and cracked her head open with it? Or knocked her teeth out and broke her jaw with that punch?

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u/doughboy192000 Nov 05 '17

That's stupid... taser would be appropriate though

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u/UnlimitedOsprey Nov 05 '17

Bullshit. If you don't want to be hit, don't strike first. Bitch is an idiot and that's a fair response by the cop.

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

It might have been a fair response by your average man or woman in the street but a police officer is supposed to be more professional.

You start condoning police officers for lashing out because someone's made them angry then where does it end? Before you know it you'll have them shooting people for dubious reasons.

Oh, hang on...

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u/blargh2497 Nov 05 '17

It might have been a fair response by your average man or woman in the street

What do you think would happen to the average sober man that used all his force to punch a drunk woman that is half his size in the jaw?

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

I hear you. I was speaking in more general terms. If person A hits person B then person A can expect to get twatted back.

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u/AeonTek Nov 05 '17

Making an officer "angry" and physically assaulting an officer are two vastly different things.

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u/panicky_in_the_uk Nov 05 '17

How would you feel if he'd taken his gun out and shot her? Or cracked her head open with his baton? Or knocked her teeth out and broken her jaw with that punch?

Which level of violent response are you willing to accept?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

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u/__FilthyFingers__ Nov 05 '17

Holy shit you really think this cop is such a tea leaf that this drunk girl could have possibly injured him? It was obviously a retaliation strike that was unnecessary.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

While I mostly agree with your sentiment I don't think striking her did anything to protect him.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

while i agree with your statements, knocking her out cold did protect him lmao. no more slaps for a little while.

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u/as1126 Nov 05 '17

It most certainly did do something. She is no longer capable of raising her hands to strike again. Not that I necessarily agree, but he is protected.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Bet she won’t or didn’t hit him again. So yes it worked

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u/idledrone6633 Nov 05 '17

I just don't think she hit him that hard. Hell, she missed the slap and came back around with her hand and that's what smacked his face. Geez, put her down and cuff her.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

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u/Profition Nov 05 '17

These comments make me understand why we get the policing we deserve.

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u/Uphoria Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

So your answer is it was too difficult for two police officers to restrain a 5-foot tall woman with handcuffs because she was drunk and surrounded by seated people in a crowd, so since it was too difficult they're allowed to just swing wildly hoping that the connect with only her in said crowd?

You understand your justifications for their use of force are the same reasons why they shouldn't have used them? What if this now not restrained and angry escalated women we just got punched in the face,and her boyfriend who might respond to this violence, react violently In This Crowd to these two police officers? Now she's donkey kicking heads because she's trying to get out cuz she just got punched sound so much better.

The problem is your assumption that policing works like TV violence where a single Punch To The Head knock somebody out for an extended period of time and they just give up. That punch to the face likely just made her very angry and temporarily stunned. She could have immediately gone back to flailing after the video cut out and because the officers didn't respond by Descalation and restraint, they've have done nothing to prevent it.

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u/PrinceAlbert85 Nov 05 '17

She could have got him right in the eyeball, those things are squishy as hell. One fingernail and he's blind in one eye forever.

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u/WhoisTylerDurden Nov 05 '17

...falls within the policies...

I read that as “police-ies.” I pictured tiny little LEGO police in a toy car. Haha, I’m sorry, it’s early.

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u/PrinceAlbert85 Nov 05 '17

I completely agree. She may have been drunk but that's her fault. She was assaulting that officer and he had a right to self defense just as any other person in that stadium. Cop or no. He didn't attack her and shove a plunger handle up her ass and beat her with a baton. Bottom line... Don't hit people.

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u/AeonTek Nov 05 '17

She hit him, he hit her. You're drastically overblowing things. Especially with police using their guns, there is clearly defined protocol as to when it's appropriate to use that kind of force. If those protocols aren't followed, I'm against it. There has to be a level of personal responsibility however. Both of them are in the wrong, but I don't feel bad for her.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Unless that dude's life was in danger, he overreacted. It wasn't. That slap did nothing but piss him off. And if he has that poor control over his anger, fuck him, he should turn in his badge.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

You're absolutely correct. No idea why people are down voting you. Gotta love all these armchair police officers talking about scenario land where everything and everyone is available.

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u/AeonTek Nov 05 '17

I'm just tired of people trying to paint ALL cops as racist, dangerous, power hungry animals. As of today, the Washington Post says that there have been 825 gun deaths from police officers so far this year. Of those 825, 15 we're unarmed black people, 21 were white unarmed people. In both cases, we have no idea what happened in each individual case. But to say that all police are dangerous is absurd.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Yep. People see a 15 second clip of a video and assume they know the entire situation. Mob mentality is a dangerous thing!

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u/coopiecoop Nov 05 '17

If you don't want to be hit, don't strike first.

don't get me wrong, but that sounds basically like kindergarten logic.

"but he hit me with that shovel first!"

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u/laurrbrooke Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17

I work with children in public schools. I have been spit on, hit, kicked, and shoved. I have had my head slammed against a chalkboard. I have been in the path of a flying desk and chair. I have had a 6 foot table flipped onto my feet. This happens in all types of classrooms from all types of students, not just special education classrooms or kids with emotional support needs.

I am a petite girl (5'1") and it is not uncommon for kids in junior high or even 4th, 5th grade to be bigger (both taller and heavier) than I am. I am trained to deescalate situations. I am not even allowed to lay a hand on a student unless it is a crisis situation AND have completed training in nonviolent crisis interventions. This teaches nonviolent restraints and defenses, such as: releasing the grip of a student who is pulling hair or removing your arms from the grip of a student.

If I EVER retaliated like this, I would lose my job and be sent to prison. sometimes these kids WANT to push you as far as they can to get a reaction. It appears this girl is not purposely trying to piss off the officer. She appears to be in no state of mind to understand the situation. She needs to have a consequence for her actions. But, it is not the officer's job to provide an immediate consequence.

If this is how he reacts in front of a large crowd, we should be asking how he does his job without an audience.

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u/UnlimitedOsprey Nov 05 '17

No it's fucking common sense. Don't hit someone if you don't want them to retaliate. It's how 99% of bar fights start.

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u/CarlSwagelin2105 Nov 05 '17

The original OP was saying that as a police officer your job in this scenario is to be hit and rather than hit back, be composed enough to handle the situation as safely as possible. This woman should be charged with assaulting an officer and will definitely be charged with that but when was the punishment for that ever "get punched in the face"? It's not, so the fact that she was punched in the face makes the cop kind of in the wrong in regards to that because he is expected to work for the law not himself. The law doesn't say she gets hit for her actions it says she should be jailed.

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u/ozymandias9689 Nov 05 '17

You're literally justifying an officer of the law using violence by comparing him to a drunk person fighting in a bar? I EXPECT BETTER FROM A COP THAN A FIGHTING DRUNK. Fuck me, you idiots who support cops unconditionally are dangerous.

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u/UnlimitedOsprey Nov 05 '17

Maybe don't be a fucking retard a punch a cop.

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u/ozymandias9689 Nov 05 '17

I bet you're also one of those unconscionable fascists who justifies police shootings with "maybe don't break the law" or some bullshit.

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u/ozymandias9689 Nov 05 '17

You're a dumb boot licking fuck if you can honestly justify this. Use your fucking brain and if you have any, your common decency to think hmm maybe a tough police officer with responsibility should react a little more rationally when a tiny drunk woman gives him a slap that wouldn't even hurt a child.

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u/SoldierZulu Nov 05 '17

So.. just to clarify, if your wife slapped you, you'd lay her out with a haymaker? Does that sound right to you?

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u/_luser_name_ Nov 05 '17

I GOTTA PROTECK MYSELFS!

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u/UnlimitedOsprey Nov 05 '17

If my wife slapped me, her ass is on the street. Fuck that.

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u/JesusHadARubberAnus Nov 05 '17

That's how bar fights start yes, but that's not how a officer of the law should carry out his duties. Embarrassing display.

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u/bailaoban Nov 05 '17

Except that we rely on cops to be the ones trained to break up bar fights. That's why they are theoretically worthy of respect in our community. Not for the skulls they crack, but the ones they resist cracking. It's a hard job, but otherwise they're just another gang with badges.

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u/Reading_that Nov 05 '17

This isnt a bar fight, it's a women drunkenly slapping a cop and receiving a full force punch in the face.

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u/fuckwhatiwant6969 Nov 05 '17

Yeah they teach that shit to babies because it’s pretty simple don’t hit people

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u/dennisi01 Nov 05 '17

If somebody hits you in the face, do you run away? Trained or not many people will react in a certain way when getting struck in the face..

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u/_luser_name_ Nov 05 '17

trained or not.

You missed the part where the training is about limiting force and learning to restrain yourself in exactly these types of situations.

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u/jebuz23 Nov 05 '17

You're absolutely right, this is a playground reason to not hit someone. A more sophisticated reason would be "Because it's not right to harm others" or "Because civilized society mandates not hitting others"

If I were to try to explain to the woman in the gif, in the moment, why she shouldn't hit the cop, she doesn't seem to be in the state where societal mandates or what's "right" would resonate. Maybe "Don't hit because you might get hit back" might still apply.

This is not suggesting the cop was right. He was wrong. He's a professional and in a sounder mind, so the 'better' reasons for not hitting should still apply to him.

In short: Act like a kindergartner, get kindergarten logic.

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u/anweisz Nov 05 '17

Yo getting hit with a fucking shovel really hurts.

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u/Gambit2299 Nov 05 '17

Agreed. Everyone disagreeing are pussies. Holding cops to such a high standard they would never be able to meet themselves. And it's because it's a woman, that's it.

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u/joustingleague Nov 05 '17

You should be holding cops to a higher standard than some random asshole on the street. We train them specifically to meet those higher standards, we pay them to meet those higher standards, the responsibility they have as cops is given to them only because we should be able to assume they're be able to handle situations rationally instead of emotionally.

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u/Gambit2299 Nov 05 '17

I do hold cops to a higher standard. We saw a 10 second clip and everyone wants to jump on this guys case WHEN HE GOT ASSAULTED. Fuck that bitch. She was obviously a fuckin major nuisance if 1 cop coming up to her wasn't enough and they had to get more. Yeah, she deserves a punch in the face if she assaults a cop. Fuck her. Quit defending child like behavior from women, it's not helping them.

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u/Gonoan Nov 05 '17

A fair response is to punch someone who drunkenly slaps you? I hope to fuck you aren't a cop or anyone with authority

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u/UnlimitedOsprey Nov 05 '17

Yes. If you're drunk and slap me on the street, expect me to knock you the fuck out.

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u/TheInactiveWall Nov 05 '17

And you wonder why police brutality is only a big thing in America

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u/Hambone38 Nov 05 '17

Why do we go so far out of our way to remove the irresponsible actions of the people these days. You don’t hit a cop. Period. Even if you could come up with a million subtle differences as to how the cop could have acted differently. Doesn’t matter. Don’t hit a cop. This is 100% deserved and acceptable.

If the world continues to fill with pussies who want the police force to carry teddie bears and bubbles then people will stop becoming cops (already happening). Then you will blame cops again for not doing enough after we neutered all of them.

Cops have a difficult job where they have to make decisions quickly and deliberately. If you believe that a cop shouldn’t punch you in the face, the most effective way to accomplish that is to stay off their radar. Period.

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u/quackyjo Nov 05 '17

Here's a suggestion...girl slaps you you restrain her with cuffs then pick her up. Violence should never be "acceptable".violence should only happen when your life is on endanger..was the cop in any danger.no.. he was mad that somebody slapped him and then punched the person out possibly s aid I causing more damage . Imagine if somebody saw him hit her and then was upset causing even more problems..the upset could lead to other repercussions like them fighting the police etc...this cop was bad at his job.

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 05 '17

The punch worked waaaay better than further restraining her.

And shooting her even moreso, so why shouldn't the officer have done that? Because that would be use of excessive force. As was the punch; police officers should be held to a higher standard of conduct - otherwise, they are just the Brute Squad running amuck. Good police officers practice (and are trained in the usages of) a technique called "de-escalation", not confrontation and aggression.

Also, your "distraction" - you do realise people have been killed from "just one punch", right? And that unconsciousness after a punch is a sign of possible severe brain trauma? Real life isn't like TV, where a person who gets knocked out just shakes it off afterwards - in real life, such injuries can have lasting, long-term consequences (just ask retired NFL players).

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

jfc it sounds like you want to live in a fucking police state

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u/Hambone38 Nov 05 '17

Suggesting that police can hit you back means that I want to live in a police state? That’s kind of a leap don’t you think. I don’t think cops should just go around slugging folks. But if you hit a cop in the head. Expect to get hit back. That’s just a decent and understandable rule to live by. An even better rule... don’t put yourself in a situation where a cop is carrying you against your will.

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u/fingermebarney Nov 05 '17

She was already restrained by 3-4 officers and is still lashing out violently.

She had that coming.

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u/A-wild-comment Nov 05 '17

I would just not get belligerently drunk and start slapping cops in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

The job role shouldn't matter. If you hit another human being you should face the consequences.

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u/Da_Millionaire Nov 05 '17

Do I have to say it? Everyone wants equality among genders until a girl gets her ass beat

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u/joustingleague Nov 05 '17

A cop misusing their power is still bad when it's done against a man.

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u/Da_Millionaire Nov 05 '17

Assaulting an officer and being retaliated on isn't a misuse of power. Don't hit a cop. He didn't hit her repeatedly, but only once. Not really a misuse of any power there

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u/joustingleague Nov 05 '17

He hit her as an emotional response to being lightly slapped, that's simple revenge. She should have gotten a fine or community service for that slap absolutely. But a cop playing judge and hitting her as retaliation is a misuse of power.

What I'd expect of a cop in this situation is deescalation and restraining her properly in the first place, not revenge and intimidation.

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u/Boxius Nov 05 '17

Become the cop. Payed to have to carry a drunken and beligerant fan because the dumb fuck couldn't control her drinking. She probably refused to leave which is why they have to CARRY her out, and then she slaps him. Fuck that I would be fed up too. Cop or not hes a damn human.

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u/AMFYOLO Nov 05 '17

Exactly! I always punch people if I'm fed up with work!

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u/ChildishForLife Nov 05 '17

How did she even deserve this? She is being literally carried out and drunk, and she kinda smacks the back of his head and he punches her in the face. How is that even close to being equal? That's fucked she didn't even deserve it.

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u/Pacify_ Nov 05 '17

Did she deserve that? Yes.

Thats super debatable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

I don't agree that a 150 lb drunk slapping a 250 lb authority deserves a punch directly to the face

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u/Mrqueue Nov 05 '17

She didn't deserve to be knocked out at all. This is a gross misuse of power and he deserves assault charges for this

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