I don’t know why people are celebrating this. A cop‘s job isn’t to retaliate against people. They’re supposed to contain people and enforce the rules, not to punch people in revenge. American cops are trained to use violence in any scenario no matter how big the actual threat is and I don’t think that’s good.
Edit: Many people arguing that if you slap a cop, you should definitely expect police brutality. Definitely not. You should expect consequences, not to be knocked the fuck out. You should expect the cop to handle this situation professionally, not to get into a brawl with a drunken woman. You should expect the cop to be the moral authority he‘s supposed to be, not to get on the level of a drunken person. You should expect the cop to make reasonable use of force to achieve his goal, not to deal out full force blows to the face in revenge for a slap. You should expect the cop to de-escalate the situation, not to turn up the violence. It’s worrisome how many people seem to just accept excessive and unreasonable use of violence, as long it’s a cop doing it.
I’m not sure people are celebrating it so much as they are saying “well what the fuck did you expect when you hit a cop?”
Edit: By saying it should be expected, I’m not defending his actions as reasonable or holding them up as good policing practice. I think American police culture is too quick to resort to violence and is horrible at de-escalating situations. But, that all goes into why I said it should be expected. I’m not saying it should be accepted or condoned, only that I fully expect an American cop to hit you back if you hit them.
That was OP's point. That doesn't happen in a lot of countries Western Europe or East Asia, e.g. Japan. You should be detained, not injured by police acting as their own judge, jury and executioners (Or teeth knocker-outers)
Edit: I should have made it clear I meant that it doesn't happen in a lot of countries with a similar socioeconomic situation to the US. Sure if you want to count war-torn countries, countries with dictators or violent regimes then yeah, it does happen in a lot of other countries. Kind of sad we have to compare American policing to those places though, right?
I'm a European currently living in Japan so I have some decent experience with the other side of the coin.
But yeah you have a fair point about Chinese police, I would rate them very poorly and have had bad experiences personally. Chinese police might actually be fairly similar to American police, believe it or not. They have a "get shit done" attitude which can often result in suspects being treated with little regard for their health or safety
Fair enough. I think its alot more common in all countries than anyone thinks because copd are humans and humans dont like getting hit and sometimes emotions can overpower habits from training.
Here's the funny thing about this arguement. Youre defending the criminals. Expecting cops to risk THEIR health and safety to protect a criminals health and safety. It's insane.
Cops do not get to decide who is an isn't a criminal, they only have their suspicions and reasonable cause. They are not the judges or the dispensers of punishment, and blurring those lines is a really stupid idea.
Are you fucking kidding? She hit him. She was clearly being an asshole if there are four of them carrying her out. You're being retarded and still trying to be on a high horse. If someone punches you, do you look at them and say "I don't know that you just committed a crime. I won't defend myself, that's up to the courts." Jesus Christ, this is common sense. You dont overdo it, or kill them, but don't act like the cop should just let himself get punched because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Public health and public safety come first, and sadly America is sorely lacking in both areas. Yeah we enjoy lots of privileges and are lucky as there are lots of worse places to live, but being the greatest country in the world means safety and a good legal process should be a huge priority.
That police officer is there to protect the people, including that drunk woman. It is not his job to punish her. If he is uncapable of handcuffing a drunk person rather than sucker punching them until they stop moving then he is terrible at his job.
But nope, drunk bitch gets slapped when she's punching the head of the cop carrying her, rather and just getting dropped on her ass, and suddenly its the stasi.
Noticed this quite a bit with Americans these days, nobody wants to actually take responsibly for their own actions, they just want others take their shit. I mean what's she supposed to do? Not get stupidly drunk at the game? Not get herself thrown out? Not Punch the cops who've finally had enough of trying to talk her down and just carry her out?
Nope, she clearly suffers from compulsive alcoholism and a need to flail her arms like a child.
Do as I say, not as I do. We could fucking coin that as the motto of modern America.
How come Europeans go from "America is the worst in the world!" to "America is worse than some European countries!" when somebody reminds them off the other 5 continents.
It's almost like they forget they're not the only nations out there. But given that Sweden recently considered asking for support from their military for policing certain communities. You might want to consider a little brutality.
Still making the movies people watch, still inventing the shit people use, a work force participation rate that makes the German's rage like a motherfucker, and best of all, we don't jail people for having their pugs do a nazi salute.
Or just admit that you have no information and just a collection of presuppositions and pre-programmed rejections of facts that make you uncomfortable.
So the officer here holding this girl's leg should allow her to keep slapping him? Drop the leg to restrain her arm? I think he put her is a position where they could get her out of the stands and properly restrain her without her continuing to strike him. I agree that police officers shouldn't hit people in "revenge" but I think OP misrepresented his action as revenge. I see it as incapacitating an aggressive perp while attempting to control her. Pepper spray and tasers are also used to this end.
Are you from Western Europe? Because I'm from there and I would 100% expect a police officer to hit me when I hit them first. And the police in my country are ridiculed for being weak and having no authority.
It's obviously a generalization. Something of this kind happens in virtually every part of the world; but how common this is becoming in the States to how it is in Canada is not even comparable which is what my statement means. The fact you reacted this way shows there's truth in my original statement though.
Being angry doesn't mean you're right, but you thinking so is simply more arrogance. I'm upset about the level of arrogance I routinely see from ignorant posters on reddit
then i would propose in all sincerity that you do some research and look into why it happens here in USA and not in socio-economicly-similar countries like the ones you cited. And report back to us your findings. There must be something different about the USA than those other countries, and not only one difference .. i bet your research will reveal dozens of differences.
A few i can think of off the top of my head are:
* the country's gun-culture (or lack thereof)
* the typical type of crimes
* typical causes of death of police and death rate of police
* culture, value systems, sub-cultures
i look forward to what you find out and your conclusions based on that data
I looked into it a decent amount after watching Bowling for Columbine earlier this year, but still haven't found a good enough answer apart from media & police culture just being different, as well as the obvious treating criminals like cash cows rather than people that could be reintegrated into society
Not just policing. The US is falling behind all other 'first world' countries in education, wages, growth, and many other ways. It is more comparable to a well-off nation in South America than to any of the top European nations.
Really? I currently reside in the US, and have for about 37 years. I believe that's a long enough time to make an educated comment about this nation. Also, Western Europe is leagues ahead of the US. You should be ashamed of the state of your nation.
What's really weird is the absolute lack of personal responsibility and self awareness in this thread.
Do you genuinely, honestly, expect to be treated like someone important when you're so belligerently drunk that you have to be bodily carried out of a stadium?
Because you're not important. You're Drunk #27 today, and officer Noname is already sick of everyone's shit. You think it's a good idea to strike at him? You're just Drunk #27 of maybe 50 he's got to deal with today, So fuck you and your attacking, go to sleep, he'll have the EMTs give your punk ass a band-aid.
Fuck you and your apologia for police brutality. Police brutality is never justified. It doesn't suddenly become okay because you dealt with the requisite number of assholes today. It doesn't suddenly become okay because some unimportant sunovabitch got tough off grain alcohol.
Officer noname there almost certainly makes dirt, and giving police better standards of living would go a long way to attracting the best-of-the-best who we can actually justify giving a monopoly on violence in our communities.
There really is a startling amount of entitlement, narcissism, and a lack of personal accountability when these people expect the police to put their health and safety on the line to protect a criminals health and safety
Ah i live in a good City, só its really not bad. Its pretty normal tbh. You just have tô be careful tô not go to bad hoods and dont meses around.
All in all i like it here, its not like its a murderfest everywhere. If you just Take precautions to not put yourself in a bad situation you can easily go by without any trouble. As long as you ar like me and dont actually Live on a bad part of town. Some people have no choice tho and have crime and violence as a unavoidable issue in their lives.
Hit a nurse and they will restrain you, don't know why cops can't have the same rules and self control as nurses. This cop should lose his job. The girl barely connected. And, it's a drunk girl, could do serious damage reacting like that.
Well to be fair he didnt have access to her arms to keep her from resisting till she was knocked. It was clearly time for her to quit resisting and be removed, but then she went and assaulted an officer and aggravated the situation.
Well, that's the issue. You should expect that. They rather easily subdue her without having to physically beat her. Context is helpful and she is vastly outnumbered and outmuscled. If it was just her and the cop, sure, light her up if she attacks you. But when she's being held by four guys and is clearly not coherent, don't be a piece of shit and knock her out.
This is truly sad. Americans readily expect pure violence from police now. I wouldn't mess a cop around for anything but I do not expect Australian cops to bash people's faces in.
Our media is inundated with stories and images of police brutality. Of course, lately it's fallen behind coverage of mass shootings and our leadership's dealings with Russia, but the images of people being shot at traffic stops in front of their children or beaten to death on the street in broad daylight don't just vanish from our collective consciousness.
It reminds me of a comparison to crossing the street. A lot of places around me have laws where cross must stop for pedestrians, even with no cross walk. That doesn't mean you go walking into traffic without being safe since cars are "supposed to" stop.
You would like for them to stop and let you cross safely. You should expect them to keep driving and slam into you.
In reality, no one should hit you in the face. Not a cop, not a drunk guy at the bar. But then again, you shouldn't hit anyone ether. Not a cop, not a drunk guy at the bar. It's not like the other guy being a cop gives you the right to hit them. I'm certainly disappointed when a cop hits back, but it's hard for me to feel bad for the other guy.
Any sort of "I can hit you and you can't hit back" mentality that someone might use when striking a cop (or a woman striking a man, or any other one sided conflict) that results in getting hit back is hard to feel pity for.
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u/Greatmambojambo Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17
I don’t know why people are celebrating this. A cop‘s job isn’t to retaliate against people. They’re supposed to contain people and enforce the rules, not to punch people in revenge. American cops are trained to use violence in any scenario no matter how big the actual threat is and I don’t think that’s good.
Edit: Many people arguing that if you slap a cop, you should definitely expect police brutality. Definitely not. You should expect consequences, not to be knocked the fuck out. You should expect the cop to handle this situation professionally, not to get into a brawl with a drunken woman. You should expect the cop to be the moral authority he‘s supposed to be, not to get on the level of a drunken person. You should expect the cop to make reasonable use of force to achieve his goal, not to deal out full force blows to the face in revenge for a slap. You should expect the cop to de-escalate the situation, not to turn up the violence. It’s worrisome how many people seem to just accept excessive and unreasonable use of violence, as long it’s a cop doing it.