That was OP's point. That doesn't happen in a lot of countries Western Europe or East Asia, e.g. Japan. You should be detained, not injured by police acting as their own judge, jury and executioners (Or teeth knocker-outers)
Edit: I should have made it clear I meant that it doesn't happen in a lot of countries with a similar socioeconomic situation to the US. Sure if you want to count war-torn countries, countries with dictators or violent regimes then yeah, it does happen in a lot of other countries. Kind of sad we have to compare American policing to those places though, right?
I'm a European currently living in Japan so I have some decent experience with the other side of the coin.
But yeah you have a fair point about Chinese police, I would rate them very poorly and have had bad experiences personally. Chinese police might actually be fairly similar to American police, believe it or not. They have a "get shit done" attitude which can often result in suspects being treated with little regard for their health or safety
Fair enough. I think its alot more common in all countries than anyone thinks because copd are humans and humans dont like getting hit and sometimes emotions can overpower habits from training.
Here's the funny thing about this arguement. Youre defending the criminals. Expecting cops to risk THEIR health and safety to protect a criminals health and safety. It's insane.
Cops do not get to decide who is an isn't a criminal, they only have their suspicions and reasonable cause. They are not the judges or the dispensers of punishment, and blurring those lines is a really stupid idea.
Are you fucking kidding? She hit him. She was clearly being an asshole if there are four of them carrying her out. You're being retarded and still trying to be on a high horse. If someone punches you, do you look at them and say "I don't know that you just committed a crime. I won't defend myself, that's up to the courts." Jesus Christ, this is common sense. You dont overdo it, or kill them, but don't act like the cop should just let himself get punched because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Public health and public safety come first, and sadly America is sorely lacking in both areas. Yeah we enjoy lots of privileges and are lucky as there are lots of worse places to live, but being the greatest country in the world means safety and a good legal process should be a huge priority.
That police officer is there to protect the people, including that drunk woman. It is not his job to punish her. If he is uncapable of handcuffing a drunk person rather than sucker punching them until they stop moving then he is terrible at his job.
But nope, drunk bitch gets slapped when she's punching the head of the cop carrying her, rather and just getting dropped on her ass, and suddenly its the stasi.
Noticed this quite a bit with Americans these days, nobody wants to actually take responsibly for their own actions, they just want others take their shit. I mean what's she supposed to do? Not get stupidly drunk at the game? Not get herself thrown out? Not Punch the cops who've finally had enough of trying to talk her down and just carry her out?
Nope, she clearly suffers from compulsive alcoholism and a need to flail her arms like a child.
Do as I say, not as I do. We could fucking coin that as the motto of modern America.
How come Europeans go from "America is the worst in the world!" to "America is worse than some European countries!" when somebody reminds them off the other 5 continents.
It's almost like they forget they're not the only nations out there. But given that Sweden recently considered asking for support from their military for policing certain communities. You might want to consider a little brutality.
Still making the movies people watch, still inventing the shit people use, a work force participation rate that makes the German's rage like a motherfucker, and best of all, we don't jail people for having their pugs do a nazi salute.
Or just admit that you have no information and just a collection of presuppositions and pre-programmed rejections of facts that make you uncomfortable.
So the officer here holding this girl's leg should allow her to keep slapping him? Drop the leg to restrain her arm? I think he put her is a position where they could get her out of the stands and properly restrain her without her continuing to strike him. I agree that police officers shouldn't hit people in "revenge" but I think OP misrepresented his action as revenge. I see it as incapacitating an aggressive perp while attempting to control her. Pepper spray and tasers are also used to this end.
Are you from Western Europe? Because I'm from there and I would 100% expect a police officer to hit me when I hit them first. And the police in my country are ridiculed for being weak and having no authority.
It's obviously a generalization. Something of this kind happens in virtually every part of the world; but how common this is becoming in the States to how it is in Canada is not even comparable which is what my statement means. The fact you reacted this way shows there's truth in my original statement though.
Being angry doesn't mean you're right, but you thinking so is simply more arrogance. I'm upset about the level of arrogance I routinely see from ignorant posters on reddit
then i would propose in all sincerity that you do some research and look into why it happens here in USA and not in socio-economicly-similar countries like the ones you cited. And report back to us your findings. There must be something different about the USA than those other countries, and not only one difference .. i bet your research will reveal dozens of differences.
A few i can think of off the top of my head are:
* the country's gun-culture (or lack thereof)
* the typical type of crimes
* typical causes of death of police and death rate of police
* culture, value systems, sub-cultures
i look forward to what you find out and your conclusions based on that data
I looked into it a decent amount after watching Bowling for Columbine earlier this year, but still haven't found a good enough answer apart from media & police culture just being different, as well as the obvious treating criminals like cash cows rather than people that could be reintegrated into society
Not just policing. The US is falling behind all other 'first world' countries in education, wages, growth, and many other ways. It is more comparable to a well-off nation in South America than to any of the top European nations.
Really? I currently reside in the US, and have for about 37 years. I believe that's a long enough time to make an educated comment about this nation. Also, Western Europe is leagues ahead of the US. You should be ashamed of the state of your nation.
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u/Nieunwol Nov 05 '17 edited Nov 05 '17
That was OP's point. That doesn't happen in a
lot of countriesWestern Europe or East Asia, e.g. Japan. You should be detained, not injured by police acting as their own judge, jury and executioners (Or teeth knocker-outers)Edit: I should have made it clear I meant that it doesn't happen in a lot of countries with a similar socioeconomic situation to the US. Sure if you want to count war-torn countries, countries with dictators or violent regimes then yeah, it does happen in a lot of other countries. Kind of sad we have to compare American policing to those places though, right?