Yeah! We should all be able to hit cops with no consequences! I should be able to be violent, but not them! I have no personal accountability, but lots of entitlement!
The consequences come in court. Just stack it on the charges. Cops are not the punishment-dispensing arm of the justice system, despite what films may have taught us, and there's a good reason for that.
While I agree with that, that cop is a PERSON. Something I think people like you always forget. Should he just let her keep hitting people to keep yoir fragile ethos alive? Life is gray areas. And you are being ridiculous. It's not like he killed her. It was a punch after clearly being attacked enough to be carried out by 4 officers. At one point to you realize that you want to protect criminals at all costs, while ignoring the safety of the police? Why do criminals have more of a right to safety than cops?
They have the same right to safety, mainly because she’s a suspect and not a criminal. And punching her is an ineffective way or neutralizing the threat her flailing hands pose.
So even when you see her punch someone, she's a suspect, and when she punches you, ignoring your right to safety, her right to safety trumps yours? Jesus Christ, common sense is dead. I guess next time someone punches you, I hope someone stops you from retaliating while they continue to punch you, because they have a right to safety that trumps yours.
The people defending the cop are the ones who go out and try to become cops. That's why this climate is the way it is. The police force has a shit reputation which makes decent people less likely to take the job. It's only going to keep getting worse.
She’s hitting that guy in the face. That’s a threat. One of those tramp nails could take his eye out.
They could all drop her, pin her to the stairs, sit on top of her and cuff her, which is a lot more painful than eating a punch, which is a lot more painful than complying and being escorted away.
Why are we jumping to the worst outcome . "they could have just shot her and left her on the stairs"
Or they could do their fucking job like theyre trained and deescalate a situation. At no point should a girl that size ever be thrown to the ground and sat on. Unless your the worlds weakest, most pussy ass cop.
If an officer that size can't control a girl that size, he's needs some serious training.
Watch the video, there were 4 cops restraining her with a reasonable amount of force and she was still able to slap that guy.
Now any one of those cops could easily, using force, control a girl that size. But then you would be in the same situation asking why one cop used so much force. So you have multiple people all using less force than they’re capable of in an effort not to hurt her. But she’s still able to hurt them. Guess what solved it? A swift punch to the face, not deadly, not unreasonable and it immediately solved the problem.
Nothing done here would appease you. Either one guy is a “pussy ass cop” for not restraining her using the force necessary, or 4 cops are pussies for punching the lady, who was not restrained and still able to hit them.
Lol no. 4 cops use necessary force and get a feather of a drunk girl restrained.
It's pathetic that a grown man that size felt the need to punch her.
Tell me, what do you think happens if that situation plays out in public. Two girls are arguing, a guy comes over to break it up. Grabs the girl and she limply slaps him. He punches her in the head and knocks her out.
That dude gets his ass beat and the cops called. That shit is not okay. What the hell is wrong with people and violence.
Like, do you really think 4 cops couldn't control that girl? The fact that she's even able to slap one of them shows they don't have control of that situation. That's fucking amatuer.
4 cops controlled that girl, you see clear as day it in the video.
They thought she was controlled, but she was able to smack one.
One of them punching her in the face took her from “not controlled” to “controlled”.
Tell me, what do you think happens if that situation plays out in public. Two girls are arguing, a guy comes over to break it up. Grabs the girl and she limply slaps him.
He has no reason to enforce the law, it’s not his job. Now if he was a cop, it’s his job do that. And has every reasonable right to control her until she’s no longer a threat. Guess what? If she can still hit or slap him, she’s still a threat. A deadly threat, no, so he responds with less than deadly force. She smacked, he smacked back, threat neutralized.
I like your point. This image is really hard to debate but i think you pointed something out that is really logical albeit finger pointing but hey. I also like to think, of what if this was a white male? What if it was a black female/male? What if it was a small asian guy wearing a black belt? What if this chick is actually a fucking tie fighter?
I mean, she's also slapping him in the face. He neutralized the threat and carried on... How big of a bruise does he have to suffer before he's allowed to defend himself?
Edit: I'm probably wrong. Honestly, they should have cuffed her.
I’ve had a similar experience, was charged with drunk driving...on a bicycle - I genuinely tried to be respectful and and actually called the cop “friend” to he replied “I’m not your fuckin friend, asshole” while man-handling me as I was fully cooperating. It was obvious that this guy enjoyed the violent part of his job. For whatever that’s worth.
Clearly she is a threat considering she just slapped him in the face. You think it wouldn't be easy for her to purposefully or accidentally hook his eye when she was slapping him?
Why are you okay with someone assaulting a police officer? The above comment was correct - it's all too easy for a "scratch" as you say to hit an eye and cause serious damage. The officer was reasonable to prevent that from happening again.There's no way this should be considered police brutality.
Edit- The police are at fault here too for not restraining her properly in the first place.
This is always the response from these people though.
It's an entirely black and white world. "Break any law, death penalty". Every argument is like this.
"Yeah, she was wrong. But do we really need to go that far?" "IF SHE DIDNT WANT TO GET BEATEN HALF TO DEATH SHE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL THE LITTLE MAN SAID TO WALK! JAY WALKING IS A CRIME IS THAT SO HARD IDIOT!!"
I'm saying it wasn't unnecessary. What she did could have seriously injured him. The ideal thing to do would be to put her down and handcuff her properly, but I don't fault the officer for reaching the way he did. It seems to me that if this wasn't a woman, nobody in this thread would be rushing to call this brutality.
What if she had a gun? Do you know she doesn't have one? Does the cop? Did they search her before carrying her off? How do they know? How do you know? We can play what-if all day and justify a taze-on-sight policy. Any action could seriously injur the cops. One of the cops could have fell down while carrying her and hit his head on concrete and died.
Risk-assessment is a complex subject and takes lots of work to do correctly. It's not something that can usually be done by the average person in a split second. Besides, we know how the cop felt about his safety by watching the video. If he feared for his well-being he would have put her down and handcuffed her after she hit him. Instead he hit her and then kept going. It was a knee-jerk reaction on his part. Not some careful consideration of risk that he learned from years on duty.
I'm saying that the specific action she did was agressive and would reasonably injure a person. I don't like seeing people be punched in the face by police, but I do not fault the officer for reacting the way he did in this case I do fault them for not restraining her in the first place, though.
Maybe the cop has had a shitty day and at that point he needed to let his frustration out. Maybe he’s in the middle of a divorce and his kids are assholes? Maybe the cop is a human being and said to himself “did this bitch just hit me” and naturally tagged her back.
That dude acting like these police acting like bouncers is normal training. Big fucking difference. They probably pepper sprayed her unconscious ass at the top just to be sure.
So what ? Knocked her out so she's definitly not a threat anymore ? You could also shot her so she will never be a threat to anyone anymore. I can't get why people think this is normal.
The right thing to do : really immobilized her so she can't do that again. Then charge her with whatever the name of "hitting a cop" is in USA. And if it's the same as my country, she'll go to jail for a few months.
So in the vid, did that slap really hurt the cop or his "irreplaceable vision"? she barely touched him, and he full-on punched her in the head. how was that justified?
That’s like saying it wasn’t appropriate because someone shot at him but the bullet didn’t strike him so he shouldn’t have acted as though it was a threat. She tried three times to slap him. Is he supposed to wait until they get harder or closer to his eye?
Maybe as a policeman he should have cuffed her instead of punching her in the head, if he thought she was such a threat. What is it with people defending that cop in this thread?
It's this kind of "she deserved it, she's a criminal" bullshit that leads to unarmed people getting shot by the police
Exactly. There’s a undercurrent of “it’s just a girl” going on here. As if your eyeball can tell whose is swinging fingernails at it.
It’s an overreaction maybe, but it seems like it might be the first taste of real world consequences this girl has ever experienced.
I’d call it a great learning experience for everyone. Maybe the cops will now just force cuffs on everyone being belligerent (despite the inevitable heckling/ridicule for doing this to a “tiny girl”) and the girl can learn what all men and most minority women already know: you swing on a meathead or a cop, you’re going to pay a price.
Perhaps the police should carry around a restraint device with them at all times. Something that goes around the wrists should suffice. Hell maybe you engage the device behind the persons body for additional effectiveness.
So if you are swinging at a cop s/he should allow you to strike them or keep their distance until you calm down and then have the judge add to your sentence?
Or should s/he tase your ass so you can be properly restrained without any injury to the officer?
Yeah it's the second one. This "punishment by cop" red herring is laughable. This isn't punishment by cop, it's self defense in the course of restraining a suspect.
I get the feeling there is a lot of white-knight virtue signaling going on in this thread. If this was a guy, I doubt this comment section would have half the objections of this one, and they'd still be wrong.
If 4 people can’t restrain you then you need to be put in handcuffs. It’s what they were invented for. They subdue a threat. If the officers didn’t asses her as a threat then that’s on them. It’s excessive force no matter how you look at it.
No it's not, they were getting her away from the banister she was clinging to, so they could handcuff her. She assaulted an officer and he moved to incapacitate her until she could be controlled.
If they got her off the banister they could have put her on her stomach and cuffed her arms. There are 4 officers holding her. 3 of which are large men. A knee to her back would instantly incapacitate her and she could be removed effectively.
Amazing that these trained officers didn't know as much as random Redditors.
So when they pin her to the edge of a step on a concrete staircase with a knee in her back and crack her sternum, all the while with their backs to a crowd of unruly people surrounding them, you'll be satisfied? Rather than her getting a slap to settle her down so they can extricate her from the mob and restrain her on a flat floor in a more controlled space?
Nice hypothetical. Let’s play more what if’s. What if she pulled a gun out, because all Americans have guns right. We’re not playing in what ifs here. We saw what happened and it was improperly handled. Yes hindsight is 20/20. I’m saying from a stance of a trained officer they should know their options and how to handle this situation. There’s no reason an unruly patron that is being escorted by force should be allowed to have full control of her arms.
I see nothing wrong with how this was handled. Hindsight aside, people get tased, pepper sprayed and shot for resisting arrest, let alone aggravated assault against an officer. She was slapped because she was a danger to the officer, who was trying to get her to a safe place to cuff her. Your unwillingness to accept that is extremely beside the point. You have every right to be wrong.
“Slapped”. Way to minimize the situation. She was slugged in her jaw with a right hook. Possibility of a concussion for a limp wrists backhand. No it was not justified. I could be wrong... but I’m not. Violence is not the answer in this situation. From either party. But more so from an officer who only had his pride injured.
Way to exaggerate what was a blow delivered with arm only, no weight behind it, and without a closed fist. Christ you'd think he landed a haymaker with your drama
It's not because she's a lady. I would think this is bad with a guy also. Come on, 4 police officers unable to control one drunk person (and the fact she's a 60 kg person matter) is a shame. They have handcuff etc. They just handle it poorly and the guy's pride was affected. So he retaliated.
The way real law enforcement works there's a shit-ton of "extrajudicial" punishment.... and there's not a god damned thing that will happen to any cop that exercises that under the right circumstances.
How do you know she's not a threat? Maybe she scratches at their eyes, maybe she's got a knife. She is clearly doing hate very she can to harm them. This is not police brutality, this is securing her with proper use of force.
She needs to stop attacking officers trying to do their job. There’s nothing hypothetical about it. She needed to be restrained multiple ways by multiple cops because she CHOSE to act disorderly. She still wasn’t restrained enough and punching her in the face fixed that pretty instantly.
She had plenty of options to not get punched in the face, and she threw everyone out the window.
She could have been orderly and not deserved to get removed from a stadium.
She could have complied when they tried to remove her.
She could have not smacked one of the guys carrying her out.
She wasn’t in the right state of mind to make any of those decisions correctly. The officer is stone cold sober and is in no way threatened. He is paid to make the right choices, not only that but he has taken a position to serve and protect. The only serving he did was a hook to the face of a non threat and to protect his dignity. I would absolutely excuse this behavior if he were alone. He had multiple officers in assistance. This was purely based on retaliation.
She wasn’t in the right state of mind to make any of those decisions correctly
Do you think that absolves her somehow? If I get drunk and go mess with little kids at the park do I get a pass since I couldn’t make the decision correctly to not push over some kids? She chose to put herself in that state, she’s an adult and is responsible for her choices.
The officer is stone cold sober and is in no way threatened
That’s true, until he gets slapped in the face by the person he’s removing from the stadium. It’s no longer a threat though because he was actually physically harmed.
He is paid to make the right choices, not only that but he has taken a position to serve and protect. The only serving he did was a hook to the face of a non threat and to protect his dignity.
Actually he is paid to serve and protect the law abiding fans who aren’t being belligerent, drunk assholes. She is breaking the laws and order he is paid to protect. He’s doing his job by removing her so everyone else who haven’t made bad decisions don’t have to deal with her.
I would absolutely excuse this behavior if he were alone. He had multiple officers in assistance.
The whole point of backup is to prevent her boyfriend and his 6 friends from escalating shit with the officer. In an empty stadium, that cop vs that girl is no problem. In a full stadium, 4 officers prevent anyone else from trying to escalate the situation.
This was purely based on retaliation
Yes, retaliation for her assualting a police officer trying to do his job. He thought she was restrained, she wasn’t and hit him, so he further restrained her immediately. Done.
You think you’re right and refuse to even consider that you’re not. You will always feel wronged and slighted in life because you can’t bother to consider a different opinion.
I envy your ability to not think critically and hope someone else teaches your kids.
No that’s not it at all. I’m just not into reading your rebuttal in the form of many small paragraphs. Frankly it comes down to a value of time. We all have points of view and I believe that is what makes us successful as a whole. Just not interested in reading a novel to understand yours.
I mean, to be honest, I think I'd rather get punched in the face than get in trouble with the law and possibly have some stupid shit on my record just because I couldn't handle my alcohol on one occasion. But that's just me.
In a sense me too. But that's not how it's supposed to work. There is a pact between citizens and law enforcement : citizens accept the power of law enforcement and law enforcement accept justice decision. When you're the force, judge and executioner at the same time things start to go bad.
Too easy. It's not because you're not doing a job that you can criticized how it's done. Espcially with law enforcement since those people are accountable to society. This cop should be prosecuted as well as this drunk lady.
Well three month after lol. It's not about what you want, it's about laws and how a civilized country works. One can wonder more and more about the "civilized" speaking about US.
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u/polskleforgeron Nov 05 '17
You slap a cop, justice is supposed to punish you. Not the cop. Especially when it's obvious she's not a threat.