r/HospitalBills 12d ago

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u/Old_Glove9292 12d ago

It's not dead wrong. You just refuse to accept the truth because you want more job security and a higher salary. How can you not acknowledge your own bias on this topic? Maybe have some humility and consider that you're living in denial and spreading lies because it makes you sleep easier at night. Clinicians do valuable work, but it's not so valuable that patients should go bankrupt for it...

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u/Concordiat 12d ago edited 12d ago

What about what I said is wrong?

It's literally right there. If you pay 100 dollars for healthcare, about 8 dollars goes to the doctor, another 7 dollars to overhead, and another 10-15 to nursing care.

The other 70-75 dollars is going elsewhere through a labyrinthine network of insurance companies, hospitals, pharmacies, PBMs, and other subsidiaries. If it was me I'd be more worried about that.

You are right that our system has huge issues. We do spend too much on medical care. One of the biggest issues is that the very foundation of medicine (doctors and nurses), make up a small fraction of our spending and instead we are subsidizing large corporations to provide shareholder value with our healthcare dollars instead.

Combine this with a litigious and "more is more" atmosphere(always order more tests so you don't miss something - big corporations that provide these lab/imaging services love this by the way) and you get an explosion of healthcare spending which is funneled into administrative oversight and needless testing rather than high quality medical care.

If you want the doctor on call at 3 in the morning to save your life, who has been trained intensely for 10-12 years at a personal cost of 300k, to make less than a store manager at Walmart to save 4% of your insurance premium, I guess that's a choice.

I'd rather go after the 70% we're putting elsewhere including into the hands of large companies who deliver "shareholder value."

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u/Old_Glove9292 12d ago

Of course you would think that... You're a clinician and you think clinicians should make more money than everyone... Again, examine your bias. You're cherry picking statistics, and they're all intended to paint the picture you're most comfortable with and not the truth. There's a lot of commentary you can find on this if you're interested, but I think Noahpinion laid it out most elegantly:

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

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u/Concordiat 12d ago edited 12d ago

I give you numbers and you give me an opinion blog.

Ok thanks.

Also it's funny because I do not, in fact think clinicians should make more than anyone, and indeed big tech software engineers make far more than I ever will with a fraction of the schooling.

I guess they they must be worth much more

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u/Old_Glove9292 12d ago

The blog post includes a thorough analysis of healthcare market forces and their underlying economics. There's plenty of numbers in there if you actually had any interest in learning the truth.

Why are you comparing clinicians to software engineers? And why do you think it matters how long someone went to school? Is that not a personal choice? Besides, I keep hearing how healthcare workers go into healthcare to help people-- or is that total BS? Hint: most ppl already know...