r/HunterXHunter • u/Mo-HD93 • 5d ago
Discussion Hisoka and Post Mortem Nen Spoiler
I might be completely wrong here but this is just my understanding of what actually happened in a more logical way so I'm interested to here your takes regarding this.
Lots of people are saying that this version of Hisoka, the post mortem Hisoka is stronger than ever and they're hyping him up so much but honestly, I don't think this is totally correct.
What happened to Hisoka is probably cardiac arrest, which necessarily doesn't mean death unless rigor mortis starts to set in, people CAN get revived with CPR after cardiac arrest. So what I think happened here is that Hisoka's will to live was so strong that his bungee gum gave him a CPR when he was on the brink of death. That's the only application of post mortem nen here, the gum restarting his heart and lungs.
I don't think ( as far as I remember ) we've seen a character legit die ( like die die ) and come back to life other than Camilla, and even that requires a sacrifice of another life for her to drink that aura/weird juice that the cat produces after crushing her victim.
So Hisoka getting a buff because of that is highly unlikely and what we've seen from him after reviving ( using gum as prosthetic limbs ) doesn't mean that he couldn't that before. It could've been an application of bungee that we haven't seen before or basically he became more flexible with using the gum's abilities with more training and conditions, just like Chrollo modified Skill Hunter with the book mark with some annoying conditions.
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u/remz22 5d ago
I think people think he's stronger because he used his rubber leg to impressively one tap shalnark.
Although he one taps most of his fights once he's done playing...
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
Exactly. Also shalnark was completely helpless there. He was shocked to see Kortopi's head being carried around by a person who was just declared dead and he didn't have his phone with him not to mention that the antennas were destroyed. So it was basically "normal" Shal going up against a murderous clown who's so excited and motivated about mobbing the whole spider. Shal stood no chance even without any buffs.
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u/Arkayjiya 4d ago
The fact that he showed a new application of his nen doesn't mean he's stronger. He moved himself at high speed during his fight with the butler which was a new application, Hisoka is just being creative.
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u/M4DDIE_882 5d ago
You're absolutely right. He isn't necessarily any more powerful. He seemed like a new man and applied bungee gum and texture surprise to rebuild himself in a pretty impressive way, but that's probably a temporary high anyway. His power usually has a high right after a big fight (sensing Kalluto on GI after the dodgeball game without needing en while she was in zetsu).
Ultimately, what's changed is his perspective, he's taking things way more seriously. He may go crazy because of that, but his nen isn't necessarily any more different.
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u/watchout5shredder 5d ago edited 5d ago
In real life Hisoka's condition would mirror people who were technically dead due to suffocation that were then resuscitated, and this would apparently qualify as death for the sake of nen too. IRL there are even phenomenons surrounding situations like this involving out-of-body experiences. Post-mortem nen however isn't a boost that's maintained post-revival by its very nature.
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u/Supermetazoid 5d ago edited 5d ago
You're right
While dying, the stronger emotions of death amp up your nen, it's similar how anger can make you stronger (Gon during chimera ant arc got stronger due to his mental state after seeing Kite's puppet body). And on the contrary, if you're too kind you hold back your power. Fear/crying also give you a downgrade to your aura.
If you die and revive, your aura is linked again to your usual emotions, so the amp while dying got reset. Nen after death is only stronger while the user remain dead, and goes back to its previous state. It's not a permanent base power level increase but a multiplier effect bonus (that is temporary).
Hisoka has just evolved his use of bungee gum through situation he never experienced before, similarly to how Killua has improved his electricity to make Kanmuru/Godspeed while fighting the Ortho siblings. You don't need to die to improve your application of a transmuted ability, it's just situation based.
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u/Beeanys 5d ago
Yep, his biggest change between now and then is his mindset as seen when talking to Machi.
He shouldn't have a "power up" in the sense of his nen being enhanced because of post mortem shenanigans, but rather a "power up" in the sense that he isn't playing around anymore + the experience from his battle
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u/Tsun_Tsun_Dere_Dere 4d ago
well both his texture surprised and bungee gum were buffed even if it was only bungee gum was used in the contraction of his heart and lungs, so it definitely means an overall improvement for nen after death
imo it's fair trade, Hisoka was hinted on deaths door and cough up blood after he took out Kortopi and Shalnark, meanwhile Camilla is completely healed because as you mentioned there's a sacrifice, so both are application of post mortem but as you can see the trade are equal for each one example
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u/TheRealReader1 5d ago
Hisoka didn't get any power up after reviving. I've been trying to spread this information whenever I ran into people saying "Post Mortem Hisoka would"... Brother, he's the same dude but with arms made out of aura.
Honestly, I have no idea where the hell they got that he's stronger from. Some say it's because Post Mortem Nen gives you a power up automatically which is not only ridiculous but objectively false as well. Others say it's because the abilities he used to "heal" himself are totally new and that's even easier to debunk: He used Bungee Gum to recreate missing body parts with Nen and then used Texture Surprise to make them look real, he literally explains it. He didn't do anything new at all.
Post Mortem Nen is one last manifestation of their aura that exists to accomplish the user's last wishes. Hisoka used it to revive himself. That's it. If Post Mortem Nen made you stronger out of nowhere and worked as a multiplier for your power... Why doesn't everybody do that when they wake up in the morning? Think about it... They would need to kill themselves, revive themselves and boom we're now two times stronger and even get new abilities. Totally nonsense. Worst headcanon of this community and it's worrying it spread so much that people genuinely think it's true.
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u/Haughtea 5d ago
He is and isn't. Base Hisoka isn't stronger after death. His bungee gum IS stronger and by extension makes Hisoka stronger.
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u/avgnobrainredditor 4d ago
he was technically classified as dead due to suffocation. his will to live on restarted his organs -- which could therby have either (1) increased his aura capacity (2) increased his aura proficiency (3) both (4) neither. He changed mentally as well going from carefree to locked in and ruthless. Typically chasing the thrill of the fight by letting his opponents do whatever they want but now he is killing by any means necessary -- a true hunt!
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u/Frosty_Mood_4198 4d ago
that is right BUT from a writing perspective, with how conviniently post mortem nen is mentioned during his fight with Chrollo, his new goal of hunting the troupe, killing off-panel and new confidence, I would expect post mortem nen to be what's going on. Maybe near death experience are good enough to triggering it. Gon's nerf can even be the perfect plot point to prevent Gon from getting a similar boost too
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u/Sokoye 4d ago
I think he actually passed way. He was dead, like really dead after the fight against Chrollo.
His Nen has activated, and revived him, by reactivating his lungs and heart.
Machi said "Nen that becomes stronger after death..." when she witnessed it happened.
So actually, from a technical POV there could be many interpretations like:
His Nen indeed became stronger, revived Hisoka and is still stronger than before, so is Hisoka.
His Nen became stronger, just the time of revival, then go back to its previous state.
"Nen that becomes stronger after death" is like a mantra in HxH, first heard way before that and Machi said it "naively", but actually, what happened was just what Hisoka wished before dying, that means his Nen has manifested to revive him, but thats it, the Nen is not stronger.
Insert whatever theory you might come up with.
So yes, we saw Hisoka using his Nen with a fresh new skill against Sharnalk.
Was Hisoka aware that he could do that before the fight: we dont know.
Is Hisoka really stronger now ? Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe using this technique comes with a big counterpart.
I can easily imagine that he must consume a lot of aura to generate a fonctionnal prosthesis.
Maybe he became more powerful not because his Nen became more powerful, but because he's come up with a new skill, or because his mindset changed and he's more dedicated to victory than before.
I think we will not really know, except if Hisoka or some mighty warrior who already fought him once, like Chrollo, make a statement to say it.
Hisoka was already super powerful, probably one of the strongest human Nen-user.
To me, he only lost against Chrollo because Chrollo had the advantage of the arena. It wasnt really a fair 1vs1.
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u/M9Gernsback 5d ago
no he literally died otherwise the post part of post mortem doesn't make sense. look up lazarus syndrome
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u/1vergil 5d ago
Post mortem nen done its job when his heart stopped and revived him...but now that he's alive...how does post mortem nen apply on a body that is no longer dead?
It's called post mortem nen for a reason.
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u/Xydron00 4d ago
What if he still has the bungee gum from post mortem nen that he used to revive himself? Possibly still stored away near his heart. He won't be able to create more of that special bungee gum but he hasn't despawned the one he already created?
Maybe he can whip it out as some stronger super whiplash or something. Like the elasticity is so strong that it rivals a gun/supersonic weapon.
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u/Jilliels 4d ago
Considering the fact it’s still HIS nen, I’d assume it’d go back to its normal state once he revives. Storing nen is definitely possible but I don’t think it correlates to post mortem nen
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
Post mortem nen manifests at the moment of death, when the user harbors a strong grudge or desire. It starts to manifest before the user dies and activates after his death. But what I think happened here is that it activated when Hisoka was so close to death rather than actually dying. I think this was legit a 50/50 gamble on Hisoka's part. Revival might've failed.
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u/M9Gernsback 5d ago
you made that shit up. post mortem literally means after death as demonstrated by camilla and pitou stop trying to muddy a clearly simple nen concept.
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
Can you even read? This is just my take on the whole thing. I didn't say it was a fact. And second, I literally mentioned Camilla as an example in the post and mentioned why I think that was a different case. Actually Camilla's ability is classified as a counteractive type. So technically she doesn't get stronger with each revival and she doesn't stay dead, abilities that manifest after death is what's called post mortem nen as in like permanent death. Pitou is an example of that but Pitou didn't come back to life, her Terpsichora activated after her death and controlled her body and that's literally the correct meaning of post mortem nen, nen that manifests after death, it didn't mention that the user will come back to life, just the ability will linger on after death if the user had enough resolve, hatred... Etc.
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u/M9Gernsback 5d ago
no you're muddying a simple concept by implying a stupid fake post mortem nen uhmm ackshully hisoka didnt die
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
I didn't, you're just being butthurt about someone just mentioning their take on something. You want to believe that so hard, go ahead idc. But just touch some grass and learn that people are allowed to state their opinions and takes without trying to uhmm ackshully shit.
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u/M9Gernsback 5d ago
his bungee gum gave him cpr when he was on the brink of death so now you're contradicting your own stupid theory? alright sit down
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
You just proved who's stupid here lmao. Brink of death and not actual death. And CPR does revive people back after cardiac arrest sometimes and yk, cardiac arrest is basically considered a near death so I don't see any contradiction here.
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u/Mo-HD93 5d ago
I think you're the one who doesn't understand. How tf is it considered post mortem when the person himself isn't dead? The revival part can be considered post mortem. It's literally and officially defined as nen that manifests AFTER death, what happened after Hisoka's near death? His gum revived him and that's the only post mortem part. He didn't develop any crazy abilities or power like some people claim and definitely there is no lingering shit since he is not dead.
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u/TheRealReader1 5d ago edited 5d ago
We don't know the technicality of Post Mortem Nen. We don't know if, in order to work, it's enough with cardiac arrest or if you need to fully die. Either way, Hisoka didn't get new powers.
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u/Akasha1885 5d ago
He is stronger but for a different reason. His mindset changed, less play and more focused on killing the opponent.
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u/Nvsible 5d ago
nen should disappear after one dies, that is the norm, so hisoka ability shouldn't work after his death, it is post mortem nen, i believe we may see hisoka becoming a specialist,
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u/TimeTravelParadoctor 5d ago
That's not true, Nen stays until dismissed regardless of whether the user is alive. I think that's a requirement of how post-mortem Nen works, the user basically just performs Hatsu with the added condition that the ability will only activate upon their own death.
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u/TheRealReader1 5d ago
Man, Hisoka revived. He used Port Mortem Nen to revive himself, then that residual Nen lost all meaning and logically disappeared. Post Mortem Nen is supposed to be your literal aura but roaming free after you die. If you are back alive, your aura is yours again and it's no longer "Post Mortem". Post Mortem doesn't create new aura out of thin air, so it can't be accumulated and used as a multiplier. That's way too silly
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u/TimeTravelParadoctor 5d ago
Yes, the nen did what he tasked it with so logically he made it disappear afterwards? He created the condition right before he died and it activated when he did.
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u/TheRealReader1 5d ago
Don't think it's that manual. You don't create a condition cause you can't really control it like your regular aura. It's just a representation of the user's deepest wishes. Hisoka wanted to revive and had an idea of how he could do it and boom it happened. There are no conditions there cause people don't generally know when they're going to die. The narrator said it himself. Pitou died and his aura manifested as a new instance of Terpsichora. Pitou didn't manually do that because the ants didn't even know about Post Mortem Nen as far as we know and didn't see her think that through. She had the urge to kill Gon and protect the King so it happened, it's not more complex than that.
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u/Carock_ 5d ago
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