r/IndoEuropean • u/UnderstandingThin40 • 21d ago

Indo-European migrations New preprint claims that the Rigveda and Mittani/Hurrian song (hymn to Nikkal) have the same cadence and are from the same musical foundation

What do you guys think?

Paper: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202506.1669/v2

Not an expert but this seems like a stretch?

Also the author doesn’t seem to know that the Mitanni come from the steppe and not India, making him seem less credible.

The paper also in general doesn’t come off as professional.

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u/yogeshjanghu 21d ago

Wtf ! even if we go my AMT Mitanni is from India not directly from steppe.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 21d ago

No, Aryan migration theory does not say Mitanni come From India 

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u/yogeshjanghu 21d ago

Vedic indo-Aryan pantheon is from India not directly from steppe.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 21d ago

The indo aryan pantheon is from the steppe, one branch went into India and became the Vedic language. Another went to Syria and became the Mitanni branch. Both branches will have overlapping words

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u/PuzzleheadedMetal141 18d ago

  1. There is zero linguistic evidence that the Vedic pantheon originated in the steppe. On the other hand there are multiple indo aryan river names cited in the hymns of the Rig Veda. Hydronyms are the last names to change in a language which points to an indigenous naming of rivers.

  2. Archaeologically the Mittani have elephant and peacock motifs (only found in India at this time) in their pottery which strongly suggests that they had a strong cultural influence from NW India. You can’t paint pots with elephants if you’ve never seen them before.

  3. Linguistically look into the chronological gap in the rigveda and what you find is that the Mittani retain the “Old” Rigvedic form vs the “New” Rig Veda - suggesting that they were in India during the time period of the formation of the Rig Veda.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 17d ago

  1. Your point 1 is laughably wrong, if you genuinely believe that then you don’t understand the basic of linguistics lol.

  2. Thinking having a peacock seal and elephant motifs means people from India migrated their and conquered the land is not even close meaning they had strong cultural influence lol. I guess that means England was ruled by people from the Middle East because they had lion motifs in the 12th century.

  3. Incorrect again, the Mitanni and rigvedic words spawn from the same root. That means ofc the Mitanni words will be closer to old rigvedic words compared to newer ones. It’s like you don’t understand the basics of the linguistics. 

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u/-Mystic-Echoes- 17d ago

If evidence of peacocks (an animal unique to India) and literal imported Indian elephants in Mitanni doesn't mean influence from India, then presence of horses in 2nd millennium BCE India shouldn't mean influence from the steppe.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 17d ago

lol it’s evidence they knew about them, not that they imported them or were the ruling class. Do you think Englands aristocracy was ruled by North Africans because they had Lion sigils  ? Because that’s the logic you’re using lol.

Your second sentence is equally stupid, because we have evidence of domesticated horse bones in India and the Rigveda literally speaks about horses. Thinking that amount of evidence is comparable to a peacock and elephant seal just demonstrates you have no idea what you’re talking about ahha 

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u/-Mystic-Echoes- 17d ago

This can't be compared to England at all. England already had a cultural consciousness of Lions through Bible stories. Lions were already used throughout Europe as a symbol in the medieval period. The aristocracy already were familiar with lions. In comparison the middle East never had any knowledge of peacocks. Peacock motifs appear at the EXACT same time that Indo-Aryan loanwords and influence starts to appear. This is literally called cultural transfer. You have to be a fool to ignore this evidence.

And yes, we already have evidence of domesticated horse bones in IVC sites like Surkotada. Nothing to do with the steppe.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 16d ago

Wrong , bones at surkotada have not been confirmed to be domesticated horses

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u/Accurate_Ad3541 9d ago

Dont teach neo nazis ab indo european studies , this is what happens such stupidity the vedic pantheon developed in india the indo iranian pantheon was probably practiced in the sintashta but even then the north mesopotamia theory is rising.

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u/Accurate_Ad3541 9d ago

BP group , Aknashnan , maykop and intermediate sources all have north meso dna not the mention the haplogroups that originated in the NORTHERN fertile creasent being seen in clv people

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u/Free_Mail3745 2d ago

Mittani word is not closer to old rigvedic but post vedic word , Tusharatha is name not found in any rigvedic sankrit or avestan ,but in post vedic The title ratha term in name actually consider middle Vedic or post vedic where many aristocrat of indo Aryans used this term until the classical sankrit era , Their is no single person king in whole Rigveda with any title with ratha

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u/yogeshjanghu 17d ago

Not a single shred of evidence to say that indo-Aryan pantheon is from steppe.

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u/UnderstandingThin40 17d ago

It’s amazing how people with the least amount of knowledge about a topic are the most confident in their wrong opinions lol

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u/UnderstandingThin40 16d ago

According to who? WhatsApp university? Lol