New preprint claims that the Rigveda and Mittani/Hurrian song (hymn to Nikkal) have the same cadence and are from the same musical foundation

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What do you guys think?

Paper: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202506.1669/v2

Not an expert but this seems like a stretch?

Also the author doesn’t seem to know that the Mitanni come from the steppe and not India, making him seem less credible.

The paper also in general doesn’t come off as professional.

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lol it’s evidence they knew about them, not that they imported them or were the ruling class. Do you think Englands aristocracy was ruled by North Africans because they had Lion sigils  ? Because that’s the logic you’re using lol.

Your second sentence is equally stupid, because we have evidence of domesticated horse bones in India and the Rigveda literally speaks about horses. Thinking that amount of evidence is comparable to a peacock and elephant seal just demonstrates you have no idea what you’re talking about ahha 

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This can't be compared to England at all. England already had a cultural consciousness of Lions through Bible stories. Lions were already used throughout Europe as a symbol in the medieval period. The aristocracy already were familiar with lions. In comparison the middle East never had any knowledge of peacocks. Peacock motifs appear at the EXACT same time that Indo-Aryan loanwords and influence starts to appear. This is literally called cultural transfer. You have to be a fool to ignore this evidence.

And yes, we already have evidence of domesticated horse bones in IVC sites like Surkotada. Nothing to do with the steppe.

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Wrong , bones at surkotada have not been confirmed to be domesticated horses

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Do you just make things up hoping it's true?

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Horse-bones-from-Surkotada-in-Katchchh_fig1_237413669

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Yes, that article / paper doesn’t confirm they are domesticated horse bones, thanks for proving my point lol 

One or two archeologists thinking they are domesticated horse bones doesn’t mean it has been confirmed considering other don’t think they are 

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"Sharma’s well-known identification of horse remains (Fig. 1) at Surkotada (in Katchchh) was endorsed by the late Hungarian archaeozoologist Sándor Bökönyi, an internationally respected authority in the field; in 1991, taking care to distinguish them from those of the local wild ass ( khur ), he confirmed several of them to be “remnants of true horses,” and what is more, domesticated horses."

"Contemporary with the Harappan period, the culture of the Chambal valley (in Madhya Pradesh) was explored by the respected archaeologist M. K. Dhavalikar, with layers dated between 2450 and 2000 BCE. His observations are remarkable: Let us stress that just as at Surkotada, the horse at Kayatha was domesticated"

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Yes and various scholars like don’t think they are domesticated horse bones, hence it is not settled or definitive. Once again thanks for confirming my point lol. 

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Cite those scholars.

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Ajita payel and Richard meadows 

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Cite where they disagree

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“ We went through each point that we had raised and in some cases agreed to disagree. He (i.e., Sándor Bökönyi) remained firmly convinced that there are the bones of true horse (Equus caballus) in the Surkotada collection, and we remain skeptical.”

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In any event, this Surkotada specimen is the best case for a true horse based on size alone, although it is rather too slender for our taste to be a horse. We would rather err on the conservative side in this case and say specimen 2304 is probably from a large hemione.

This is what Meadow said about the horse bones at Surkotada. He clearly doesn't "disagree".

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No lol, he clearly disagrees and doesn’t think they’re horse domesticated bones. He thinks they’re probably a large ass. He says that in the last sentence. Now I’m questioning if you have basic reading comprehension skills. 

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Many don't think the steppe theory is true either, so it's definitive.

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lol now you’re moving goalposts and shifting the convo, classic Reddit response 😂😂

Please continue to utilize your amazing debate skills at WhatsApp university 

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Literally Just using your own logic

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You’re trying to change the subject at hand lol. So you agree it’s not definitive that they’re domesticated horse bones ?