r/Invincible • u/lilbuu_buu • Mar 14 '25

SHOW SPOILERS Oliver always fights for his brother because his first memory of his brother is mark fighting for him Spoiler

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

And if Mark actually took his help & learned how to team play better then they probably would’ve had a better chance against Conquest. Especially when Eve shows up.

Oliver’s been right this entire season.

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u/effinblinding Mar 14 '25

Errrr idk about that. Conquest’s a freak of nature. Oliver could barely catch up to them when they were fighting so on speed alone I think Oliver would be screwed.

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u/OmryR Mar 14 '25

He couldn’t catch up to the speed he was throwing mark lol not even the speed mark was flying himself, conquest is insanely strong and fast, damn this episode was amazing

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

Honestly in that fight every second Oliver & Eve gave for Mark to catch his breath & recover a tiny bit was important. I definitely don’t believe Mark atp could’ve soloed Conquest.

I do believe tho if he was better at working with others while fighting then he & Oliver could have built up momentum during the fight. We see in the last episode that Oliver + a few heroes were able to takedown 2 Evil Invincible variants while Mark didn’t kill any as well(tho those variants were obviously the weaker ones, we just don’t know by how much).

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u/Hitmanthe2nd Mar 14 '25

See , what you're saying works but conquest isnt a raging dumbass , he knows he cant let another superhuman fly around him and thus was trying to kill oliver

Eve lived because of her powers , if oliver wouldve tried a teamup with mark , conquest wouldve given him the good ol immortal treatment

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25

He’s not dumb but he is psychotic & sociopathic. If he was like Omni Man or other Viltrumites that we’ve so far then he could’ve easily killed Mark & Oliver(which he was about to) upon initial contact. He dragged the fight out because he enjoys it the same way as Battle Beast but the difference is Battle Beast(& I don’t think he’s like this)wouldn’t be as much as a sadist as Conquest in toying with his opponents.

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u/Hitmanthe2nd Mar 14 '25

Yeah , that is exactly what im saying , conquest was toying with mark and oliver because they werent on their a game , the second they wouldve switched up - we wouldve seen the real conquest come out

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u/MegamanX195 Mar 14 '25

Battle Beast just looks for a good fight, he doesn't care about killing random people for no reason. Conquest, on the other hand, does love a good fight but he also loves killing people for absolutely zero reason.

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u/BigNorseWolf Robot Mar 14 '25

Definitely. Battlebeast would have KO'd Oliver now as "gently" as he could because he obviously might be worth fighting someday..

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u/AaronQuinty Mar 14 '25

Honestly in that fight every second Oliver & Eve gave for Mark to catch his breath & recover a tiny bit was important. I definitely don’t believe Mark atp could’ve soloed Conquest.

Eve maybe, but Oliver no. Oliver would've gotten killed. Had Eve turned up at the beginning and solely worked to keeping conquest off balance, then she and Mark wouldv3 b3aten Conquest easier.

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u/effinblinding Mar 14 '25

Yeah you have a good point. Mark’s a bit too concerned for their safety to work together efficiently though, but that’s also understandable.

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u/Neversoft4long Mar 14 '25

Yeah when conquest actually turned his attention to the kid for more then a second he was pretty much dead. O would just be in the way

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u/Platinumdogshit Mar 14 '25

Oliver would have been killed if mark lost that fight anyway. Conquest was right when he said that mark needed to accept all the help he could get

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u/Document-Flat Mar 17 '25

I literally never thought about it this way

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u/SofaChillReview Mar 14 '25

Mark’s barely got over the whole other Mark’s destroying the Earth before Conquest turns up. I also partly disagree due to Conquest’s nature, them trying to team up might have bored him causing Conquest to outright kill them quicker

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u/BillyButcher1229 Mar 14 '25

With conquest the only reason eve didn’t get bodied was because she in fact is borderline immortal but if the fight was with most other villains apart from conquest I believe teaming up with Oliver would be beneficial af

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25

I dunno about that last part. Conquest partly seems like Battle Beast & I’m sure he would’ve loved it if more strong heroes came in to fight him. In his last moments he does state that he “takes the good in with the bad” since he derives pleasure from this.

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u/SofaChillReview Mar 14 '25

He seemed more personally invested in Mark was my thought process, hence why he played with him like a toy.

Eve (powers locked) and Oliver can’t hurt Conquest, so them teaming up to distract him leaving Mark bigger openings will delay his fun hurting Mark, potentially using the Viltrumite stab through the body technique sooner

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25

Realistically without Eve being a Deus Ex Machina they would’ve been 100% dead either way. Those heroes showing up a bit late definitely would’ve been slaughtered if not for Eve & Mark seriously wounding him if those 2 didn’t survive. And I doubt at that point he’d be in the mood to play around.

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u/bow_down_whelp Mar 14 '25

It would have been interesting if vonquest turned up earlier when the other marks were there 

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u/MaximumMeatballs Mar 14 '25

Oliver is in nothing resembling this weight class.

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u/LordoftheJives Mar 14 '25

Yeah, but early on, like with the Maulers, it was important that he learned not to kill as a first resort. If he had been told he was right, he might've killed those kids in the park instead of pantsing them. Unrelated, but how tf do they live in that world and not think a purple kid has powers?

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25

I think Oliver would learn & know better than to outright kill people as a first measure but honestly (& this is from years of watching superhero type shows & the like) the whole Batman/Spiderman approach of “not killing your enemy’s” gets real tiresome when said supervillains have killed scores of people for years on end. I get that it’s a toss up if said villain’s can be reformed but like how much death is really justifiable after the people these villains(especially in there world) have killed?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

i agree for cases like. the joker, type of thing, but the point is that superheroes shouldn't just be able to bypass legal processes because they're strong

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u/Nut_Slime Mar 15 '25

Oliver isn't stupid and can distinguish between neighbourhood kids and terrorists capturing a nuclear facility. At the end of episode 8 Invincible admits that he was wrong and Oliver was right (no shit Sherlock).

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u/AaronQuinty Mar 14 '25

And if Mark actually took his help & learned how to team play better then they probably would’ve had a better chance against Conquest. Especially when Eve shows up.

I dont know about this. Oliver is far too weak and slow to help in any real way.

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u/Maleficent-Bar6942 Allen the Alien Mar 14 '25

People acting like Conquest didn't had the easiest of times taking Mark temporarily out of the picture and singling out Oliver and Eve.

Oliver would had part 1 and part 2 right about now if Mark hadn't come back at it right before Conquest ripped him apart.

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u/mark_ik Mar 14 '25

Mark should include Oliver, but that fight was outside of his capacity. Mark should’ve asked Oliver to try and save lives without actually fighting. Nobody else could do that, it would’ve been a big help

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u/Anjunabeast Mar 14 '25

Conquest was too strong. He would’ve one tapped every hero not named invincible or immortal

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u/Electronic-Style-668 Mar 19 '25

Conquest would 100% one tap immortal

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u/Lagsadgag Mar 14 '25

The correct answer isn’t to normalize using child soldiers.

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Mar 14 '25

U know what’s funny & really messed that I kinda just realized in your comment? A lot of media does normalize the use of child soldiers, especially in anime but a lot of American cartoons are guilty of this too.

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u/ResortFamous301 Mar 14 '25

They don't really normalize them. Most media acknowledges it's weird and wrong that children have to go through such traumatic events.

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u/Stofenthe1st Mar 14 '25

It’s more of an issue of age brackets in all honesty. Somebody wanting to make an action anime that appeals to young boys/teenagers(shonen) will generally need to make the lead characters in that same age range.

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u/5HeadedBengalTiger Mar 14 '25

Nah. I mean he gave Mark breathing room a couple times but he was not going to be able to meaningfully fight Conquest even with Mark there

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u/Gonokhakus Mar 14 '25

Found Olly's account (/jk)

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u/Radiant-Version1033 Mar 14 '25

no he wouldn’t lmao

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u/Nut_Slime Mar 15 '25

Even Mark was for Conquest less of a worthy opponent and more of a toy to play with. It's obvious that Oliver didn't stand a chance, just one blow from Conquest completely incapacitated him.

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u/Electronic-Style-668 Mar 19 '25

Nah Oliver would be more of a handicap than actually help if mark let him join in