well it's like the thing with cecil. being optimistic — it may not be about what he deserves, but about what the world deserves. another mark with the willingness, ability, and opportunity to recover from whatever trauma he has and grow into a better person could do a lot of good for lots of people and do something to repay his debts to a world he harmed.
The problem with redemption is that there’s not a solution for everyone.
To the people that they killed, or left without family, or maimed, no they don’t deserve forgiveness. Those people will likely never forgive them and they don’t have to.
That doesn’t mean that genuine change isn’t possible though. As the person that did the evil, you have to come to terms with the fact that continuing on living and helping other people is worthwhile and good, but also that there are some people that will never forgive you and that will absolutely close doors for you.
Preaching about fairness after such evils is just out the window, you just have to accept the punishments that come your way and endeavour to prove you are becoming a better person
Not one is preaching about fairness...there is a practical sense to this too...if Cecil where to make a deal for a minor punishment for a Vitrimite on his side he would do it in a heart beat as the next guy may not be nearly as forgiving. There is a dofference between toleerance and acceptance.
I’m not talking about you, I’m saying as the one that committed evil. You live your life and do what you can, knowing lots of people will rightfully hate you.
Of course people like Cecil will offer him redemption they need him, and he has to do it to redeem himself, he’ll just have to live with the hate
No, he should not. He can be allowed to try and make up for what he has done, but nothing he ever does will actually be enough. He murdered thousands using his son as a blunt weapon, then beat him within an inch of his life. That’s not even mentioning all the planets he has subjugated off screen. There is no forgiving that, ever
That's true. Mark saying "dad probably saved more people than he killed" is only true if you're only counting Earth. Nolan was complicit in many genocides during his absurdly long life.
Difference is how the characters now act in the present. These two Invincibles are still actively butchering innocent people to get what they want, whereas Omni Man has stopped. Doesn't excuse what Omni Man did, not by a long shot. But these two are no better than that Invincible who snapped Eve's neck to paralyze her and keep her around.
I like Nolan as a character, within the fiction. He absolutely should not be forgiven. This is not me making a case for any of the alternate Marks either. Regret or doing a good deed later does not absolve someone of something. Especially something of that magnitude. The people on Earth are still dead even if Nolan had managed to stop Thula, Vidor, and Lucan from killing a single Thraxan.
No? I actually cannot comprehend how anyone can see the end of season 1 where he kills all of earths heroes, slaughters hundreds of people like it’s nothing, then beats his own son nearly to death just for not being on board with it, and turn around and go ‘but he feels bad about it after :(‘
It’s about the level of media literacy I would expect from invincible stans tho
A lot more than that...this is like being mad a Ghenghis Khan that he conquered and in the process killed millions...victors and power players get to set the terms; nobody especially powerplex should forgive him, but childish to not accept the political reality.
The difference between Nolan and Mark is that Nolan was indoctrinated into a society that doesn’t value weaker life, and actively encourages killing weaker beings. That’s what makes Nolan such a compelling character.
angstrom says that our mark is the only good mark, the others having conquered earth after he absorbed every memory of the other angstroms, and mask mark was a mark he knew about
it's heavily implied, if not outright stated that all the marks angstrom called were evil.
well, ansgstrom said that yes, but thats not how the multiverse work, there are probably many evil invincibles and less good, but there cant be only one good
not a coincidence but mostly biased from trauma. even we the viewers only see the evil versions work in flashback and scenes to show why Armstrong hates invincible.
Armstrong got confused when mark mentioned him saving him in episode 1. actively fighting against the though(s) of doubt.
basicly just finding evidence to solidift already believed ideas, because i could argue that he wouldnt done this if he went to more neutral or invincible universes were invincible did good things
But you do see him flying over a destroyed Sydney which him specifically was sent to destroy and it is also stated that people died in Sydney during the war meaning masked mark did kill people
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u/deliranteenguarani Mar 29 '25
man he and gay DO NOT deserve this like they killed lowkey tens of thousands bro