The problem with redemption is that there’s not a solution for everyone.
To the people that they killed, or left without family, or maimed, no they don’t deserve forgiveness. Those people will likely never forgive them and they don’t have to.
That doesn’t mean that genuine change isn’t possible though. As the person that did the evil, you have to come to terms with the fact that continuing on living and helping other people is worthwhile and good, but also that there are some people that will never forgive you and that will absolutely close doors for you.
Preaching about fairness after such evils is just out the window, you just have to accept the punishments that come your way and endeavour to prove you are becoming a better person
Not one is preaching about fairness...there is a practical sense to this too...if Cecil where to make a deal for a minor punishment for a Vitrimite on his side he would do it in a heart beat as the next guy may not be nearly as forgiving. There is a dofference between toleerance and acceptance.
I’m not talking about you, I’m saying as the one that committed evil. You live your life and do what you can, knowing lots of people will rightfully hate you.
Of course people like Cecil will offer him redemption they need him, and he has to do it to redeem himself, he’ll just have to live with the hate
No, he should not. He can be allowed to try and make up for what he has done, but nothing he ever does will actually be enough. He murdered thousands using his son as a blunt weapon, then beat him within an inch of his life. That’s not even mentioning all the planets he has subjugated off screen. There is no forgiving that, ever
That's true. Mark saying "dad probably saved more people than he killed" is only true if you're only counting Earth. Nolan was complicit in many genocides during his absurdly long life.
Difference is how the characters now act in the present. These two Invincibles are still actively butchering innocent people to get what they want, whereas Omni Man has stopped. Doesn't excuse what Omni Man did, not by a long shot. But these two are no better than that Invincible who snapped Eve's neck to paralyze her and keep her around.
I like Nolan as a character, within the fiction. He absolutely should not be forgiven. This is not me making a case for any of the alternate Marks either. Regret or doing a good deed later does not absolve someone of something. Especially something of that magnitude. The people on Earth are still dead even if Nolan had managed to stop Thula, Vidor, and Lucan from killing a single Thraxan.
No? I actually cannot comprehend how anyone can see the end of season 1 where he kills all of earths heroes, slaughters hundreds of people like it’s nothing, then beats his own son nearly to death just for not being on board with it, and turn around and go ‘but he feels bad about it after :(‘
It’s about the level of media literacy I would expect from invincible stans tho
A lot more than that...this is like being mad a Ghenghis Khan that he conquered and in the process killed millions...victors and power players get to set the terms; nobody especially powerplex should forgive him, but childish to not accept the political reality.
The difference between Nolan and Mark is that Nolan was indoctrinated into a society that doesn’t value weaker life, and actively encourages killing weaker beings. That’s what makes Nolan such a compelling character.
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u/Amonfire1776 Mar 29 '25
So did Omni-Man...should he not be forgiven ever despite trying to save the Thraxans?