r/Invincible Wolf-Man Aug 16 '17

Invincible #139 discussion

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u/KayraYouvmir Aug 17 '17

I'm sorry, but why does Anissa get to be redeemed? Because I don't believed Kirkman would try to portray a male rapist as someone that should be forgiven (not that he should, of course, but the double standard frustrates me)

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u/DaveSilver Invincible Aug 17 '17

I agree. Not only do you lose major story potential by redeeming her before Mark can even talk to her, Kirkman hasn't done anything to make me, as the reader, want her to be redeemed or feel like she should be. Yea I see that she has clearly changed since the time jump, but she has been in like five scenes this Arc and the last one, and she hasn't really done anything interesting or noteworthy in any of them.

I just hope Kirkman has the foresight and knowledge not to have Mark immediately forgive her just because Eve says she seemed sorry. If Mark does forgive her right away, or with little resistance, then it will be even clearer that the whole thing was only ever done for shock value.

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u/Negan95 Aug 17 '17

The thing that bothers me the most is they haven't interacted directly with one another since issue 116.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

Situations a bit different. She came from another planet where rape didn't exist. You Just took what you wanted from the the weak. Rape just wasn't an idea for them. So clearly after living on earth for some years Anissa would come to understand what she did was wrong. She doesn't regret it though because she has a son that she loves. Seems people are forgetting that viltrumites living on earth change.

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u/KayraYouvmir Aug 17 '17

I'm gonna quote someone else on this because they explain it better than I probably ever will.

Look... I think Kirkman was very careful in showing what happened to Mark was rape and never portrayed it as anything else and showed how awful a crime it is. And I don't think a genuinely regretful rapist should never, under no circumstances be given a second chance at life. But... There are so very few sensitive portrayals of male rape, that giving female rapist a redemptive arc (even just a redemptive death) just seems like bad taste period.

Like, have I missed all those storylines where female rapists are treated as complete, unrepentant monsters Kirkman is trying to subvert? Cause seems like treating them as rapist at all is still pretty subversive. It's not as if there have been so many redemption arcs for male rapist AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. But this way, while Kirkman probably considered this brave and risky, it actually comes of more like him backing out.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

Sorry but taking her backstory into consideration. I can understand her and kirkman. She clearly didn't respect earth customs and was still pro viltrumite when she attacked mark. She still changed as a person just like Nolan. There's stuff that needs to be taken into account that show an obvious redemption arc for her. Nolan being that prime example.

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u/Paarsifal23 Aug 17 '17

The problem here, I think is, because of the time jump, we do not have the oportunity to see the character development from that to this, not even thru flashbacks

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

We don't need to though. We know thru Nolan what happens when viltrumites stay on earth for a long time. Even when Nolan left the first time still fighting for viltrum he was conflicted and at that point he was ok with beating his son halfway to death.

Makes you wonder what would have happened to thragg if he had stayed and lived on earth

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u/Coolgee4 Feb 02 '25

Dude she wasn’t redeemed she ultimately does not regret her actions she just dies atoning from them it’s not a fucking redemption arc

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u/Negan95 Aug 17 '17

I beg to differ as Anissa clearly knew that she was tormenting Mark and enjoyed every minute of it.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

I mean clearly. Doesn't change that she at the time hadnt adjusted to earth and its customs. She's was very much still in a viltrumite mindset

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u/Negan95 Aug 17 '17

I don't agree and I never shall.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

I mean you don't have to. But you gotta take what kirkman gives ya

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u/Negan95 Aug 17 '17

Yeah, like giving us an obvious "I didn't cum during my rape." along with panels that suggested that he went soft during. Pretty shitty of him.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Aug 17 '17

What does that have to do with Anissa growing up on a different planet with different values and changing as a person like Nolan ?

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u/noeye Sep 10 '17

I thinks it's weird. Anissa raped Mark. Not cool, but all the other Viltrumites have killed millions of people. Hell, Nolan took out cities before fleeing Earth the first time. How can we forgive mass murder and destruction of civilizations, but not a single rape? If people hold a grudge against Anissa, they should also hate all the other Viltrumites. They all did horrible things before changing.

Wasn't really directed at you, just wanted to vent.

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u/Hashbrown4 Comic Fan Sep 10 '17

Yeah I understand exactly where you're coming from.

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u/Negan95 Aug 17 '17

It's just a really shitty plot line that was used to drum up sales.

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u/fraserj2641 Aug 17 '17

This might not be done yet. It looks like she is dead but o thought that about Nolan last issue. I hope they address this more but there isn't much time left.

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u/yo51rev Aug 29 '17

What if Eve killed her to avenge Mark? It could be a twist, with Eve dealing with guilt

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u/fraserj2641 Aug 29 '17

Looked like eve did her best to save her but we will see. Never know what kirkman will do.