And you don’t see that as a problem? There’s a reason people continuously call for better gun control laws in the US… thank GOD it’s not like that in Israel and that we have proper gun control regulations, otherwise it could’ve been disastrous.
To be honest I am probably somewhere in the middle. I was able to just walk into a store, do a background check and buy this, I can't buy it anymore in my state though, but then one I have is grandfathered in so I can keep it. I don't think it should be that easy to get guns in general, especially ones like this, I think there should be some sort of opt in licensing regime with waiting periods and other things. I lock all of my guns up, I think that should be a national law(it is not). Guns like this are statistically rarely used in crimes(handguns are responsible for a majority of gun crimes in the US, in the US handguns and pistols are not necessarily the same thing so I mean handgun like a glock). I think people should have the ability to buy things like this as the US is a very different country with a very different culture, but I do think it should be much harder to get
Again, you don’t see this as a problem? Because I’m not even torn on any of what you said, and honestly, I’m horrified that you can just walk into a store, do a measly background check, and walk out with a gun. Like, wtaf?
It's not a measly background check. Educate yourself before you come on here and say dumb shit like this.
Some states are much stricter than others. And if you're a felon of any kind, you can't own a gun period. If you have a history of mental illness , same thing. Gun laws in the US are much stricter than you're making it out to be. There's no "walk into gun store, a quick background check, and you buy you're gun and walk out".
In most states, but not all... It's: you go through a process of background checks, fingerprinting, and referrals just to get your fire arms license. Which in some states is separate from a pistol license. Then if you want to purchase a gun, you show that you have a proper license, then go through a NICS background check which takes a few days. Then you can purchase your weapon.
Open and conceal carries are both separate licenses from a fire arms which also in most states required you to take a safety course. Plus not every state even allows either of those. And in my state, every time you want to purchase a pistol, you need to apply for a permit for each pistol that requires a whole new background check with referrals, and then the permit expires after 90 days I Believe. So you need to know what pistol you want t before hand. AND they still do another NICS check once you get that weapon which takes a few more days. New York is much more stringent than that and worse of a process to go through.
And I don't even want to begin on how they limit peripherals and different build types on rifles that are considered illegal to have in your weapon depending on the state You're in.
Yeah... Really sounds like "You walk right in, buy your gun and walk out". Yeah okay.
The lack of gun education laws in America is astoundingly horrible and misplaced.
The problem is it's not enforced correctly or very badly.
Oh and criminals break ALL those laws bypassing what law abiding citizens deal with to get that same weapon. I.e. more laws and more stringent laws isn't the answer.
Okay, then riddle me this; how is it that there are more firearms per capita than there are people? Surely this wouldn’t be possible if gun control regulations in the US were as strict as you’re making them out to be?
And why are weaponry-related crimes so common in the US? Why is it that I always hear of a school shooting like it’s nothing?
You want me to educate myself? Maybe you need to look beyond your tiny little bubble and look around you. It’s not normal for the vast majority of citizens to own any firearms, let alone multiple firearms that are bigger than a pistol.
Don't be so dense. Strict gun laws doesn't equate to less gun owners. The laws and the restrictions are still the same regardless of the number of gun owners. Nice try though.
Maybe you need to realize that gun violence is committed by CRIMINALS that acquire their weapons ILLEGALLY. Which means the laws don't mean a damn thing because they got them through illegal means. Oh yeah and guess where most of the gun violence is committed? In cities which have the strictest of gun laws. Seems really effective...
And before you try and counter with school shootings outside city areas... THEY ACQUIRE THOSE WEAPONS ILLEGALLY OR OOOORR, THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD WEAPONS in the first place due to improper background checks and failed enforcement of gun laws. I.e. it had NOTHING to do with lack of gun laws or strict laws.
The ones that happen to purchase them legally and commit acts of gun violence didn't have proper background checks done by the operating authorities. And you'd know all of that if you actually got your head out your ass did proper research.
If you can't comprehend any of this then there's no point in discussing it further with you because you'll just continue to ignore the facts.
Are you even hearing yourself? Strict gun laws directly equate to less gun owners. That’s literally the whole point, that the average person cannot get a gun, that only people who are fit to posses firearms and genuinely need them can get them.
Yeah, they’re committed by criminals, sure, but how many of these criminals are first-time offenders who initially got their firearms legally? Or got them from a relative?
And I’m sorry, but I absolutely will bring up the topic of school shootings, because it’s relevant. To my understanding, they’re mostly committed by teenagers, and how would a teenager get their hands on firearms? Because it wouldn’t be from an illegal dealer, as teens are very unlikely to have these types of connections, let alone the money to pay said dealer.
Exactly, the ones that got them legally (which is most of them) did not have proper background checks… because the gun control laws are not strict enough I can’t believe I actually have to spell it out for you.
I comprehended your points just fine. How could I not when they’re so idiotic?
Um, teens in public schools anywhere throughout the USA will know someone who is a drug dealer, or know someone who knows a drug dealer, and those people can find you someone who can get you a gun (illegally). Our biggest problem in the US isn’t the lack of laws to regulate us (we have plenty,) it’s the inability of our people to regulate ourselves (due to mental illness, desperation, social norms, etc.) we need to to a better job of helping each other not want to use a firearm to commit a crime. That is the real heart of the problem.
You’re saying it like it’s a good thing. It’s not a normal thing in Israel for a teen to have connections to drug dealers, let alone firearm dealers.
The presence of laws to regulate mean nothing if they’re not properly enforced, which is quite clearly the case. It should not be the responsibility of the people to regulate firearms, it’s the job of the authorities!
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THANK you! Finally someone actually logical in this thread. I’m genuinely astonished by the amount of idiocy here. I should not know more of the inner-workings of the US than a literal citizen of the US. At least I assume this person is from the US.
What I’m more confused about is why people upvoted him while downvoting me. Aren’t we in the Israeli sub? People here are not exactly known to support the way the US handles gun control, let alone want Israel to follow suit.
Almost everywhere I have lived it absolutely has been "walk in, quick background check, leave with gun." Illinois is the only one that was different. It made me get a specific ID, but it's sort easy then as well, I just have to wait a few days.
I did buy one instantly when the fairgrounds hosted a gun gathering, though. Nobody asked me to show anyone anything. The cops literally at the animal shelter across the street did nothing, so apparently no waiting period is fine when that's going on
By the way, "criminals" buy their guns the same way I do. Why in the level fuck world you risk an illicit purchase when you can, in fact, walk into Walmart and leave with a pistol ten minutes later?
Less Reich wing propaganda talking points, buddy. It is trivially easy to buy a gun here. Furthermore, weapons trafficking is FROM the United States TO Mexico, not the other way around.
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That's unfortunate. I live in America and even own a Tavor X95 with as much ammo as I want.