r/Jewish Reform Jun 28 '25

Antisemitism Pro-Palestinian rapper leads 'Death to the IDF' chant at English music festival

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/culture/artc-pro-palestinian-rapper-leads-death-to-the-idf-chant-at-irish-music-festival

BBC broadcasting this vile filth while crowds of people with Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iranian flags cheer on this nazi rally.

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u/asafg8 Jun 28 '25

Somewhere in that crowd, a young progressive jew, call him herzel, hears the chant and suddenly sees that neither blending in nor having a Jewish state has put an end to antisemitism.

At least now we know!

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u/StringAndPaperclips Jun 28 '25

Having a Jewish state was only meant to be a refuge from the antisemitism that was never going to go away.

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u/asafg8 Jun 28 '25

Early zionists (herzel, Ahad Ha’am) assumed that having a state would be a solution to antisemtism in Europe. It wasn’t just about self defense, it was about not being stateless anymore.

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u/ImmoKnight Jun 28 '25

It's not a terrible argument.

The biggest issue for Jews in the past was that they didn't have a country that would stand up for them. We had to keep relying on other countries to give a shit about us... Which never quite worked out for us.

We see then and even now how quickly we would be thrown under the bus if we stepped out of line with what a 'good' Jew should be.

I don't know any other group that has that kind of hatred directed at them... Where we must fit a certain mold or be thrown away.

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u/danhakimi Jun 28 '25

If you want a scapegoat, it's also handy to have victims who can't go anywhere. Then you can string them up, make a show of it. Or keep them around and keep blaming them, rather than telling them to leave and then being on the hook for all the problems you said were their fault.

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u/asafg8 Jun 28 '25

I mean we see now that having a state didn’t solve antisemitism, it only morphed into something new.

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u/omrixs Jun 28 '25

Better to defend against antisemitism while (allegedly) having nukes than not though.

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u/asafg8 Jun 28 '25

I agree,  but that’s not a solution for antisemtism,m

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '25

Nothing is a solution to Jew hatred, because it will never fully go away. Even long after the last Jew is gone, people will resurrect it somehow.

At least with Israel, we have a fighting chance.

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u/sababa-ish Jun 29 '25

i often wonder if somehow every jewish person on earth got raptured tomorrow, how many decades it would take for the remainder of the world's population to stop blaming the jews / israel for everything, and who they would move on to.

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u/omrixs Jun 29 '25

Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and there’s still an Easter tradition in Léon called Matar Judíos (literally “Killing Jews”).

So it’d probably take a while.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

They're never going to move on. If real Jews don't exist, they'll make up their own.

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u/Careful_College_2238 Jun 28 '25

We’re not dumb. We all know it’s not the solution. It never ended, it’s been alive and well, whether quietly behind the scenes or loud and proud. We’re currently in the era of it being loud and proud, though anyone that thinks it wasn’t simmering is delusional. What you’re sharing isn’t thought provoking or sensational in any way.

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u/ImmoKnight Jun 28 '25

There isn't a solution for antisemitism. You aren't going to make someone who blindly hates you for who you are into someone different just because of a country with people like you.

The premise is being able to mitigate the spread of antisemitism by providing a country that has an interest in combating antisemitism. By having a place that will call it out on a international stage instead of hoping someone else does.

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u/adamgerd Not Jewish Jun 28 '25

It’s ironic, antisemites are the best argument for Jews needing a state

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u/HistoryBuff178 Not Jewish Jun 28 '25

Yup, and they don't realize it.

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u/Background_Novel_619 Jun 28 '25

I don’t think you fully understand. It’s about Jews having a place to go when we experience antisemitism in the diaspora— it won’t get rid of antisemitism in the diaspora, nothing will. But at least now we have our own military and state to protect us

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u/Chance_Zone_8150 Jun 29 '25

African Americans....

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u/Ahad_Haam Secular Israeli Jew Jun 28 '25

They were also not particularly wrong. Antisemitism decreased considerably since Israel was founded. Things were worse before.

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u/BudandCoyote Jun 28 '25

But it wasn't because Israel was founded. It was because the Holocaust shocked the world into behaving for a while. We're too far away from it now, so they can openly hate us again. That's a lot of why Gen Z is the worst for it.

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u/whosevelt Jun 29 '25

No, anti-semitism exists because we're different and ascendant. That's why progressives are more anti-Semitic. They assume whoever is winning must be bad. Israel is a flourishing democracy surrounded by theocratic shitholes. Jews around the world are culturally[fn] and financially successful, comfortable in their identity, connected to their people, and familiar with their roots. Of course people who are struggling in all these areas get jealous, and when you layer on the leftist tendency to villify success, it's not surprising they pin their failings on Jews.

[fn] To be fair, there's also a significant selection bias driving this, because Jews who are not connected to their people and familiar with their roots, and possibly even those who are not financially successful, are less likely to identify as and be identified as Jews.

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u/StringAndPaperclips Jun 29 '25

Antisemitism existed when Jews were poor and marginalized in Europe.

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u/whosevelt Jun 29 '25

Even then, it was often predicated on the idea that Jews were wealthy and in control. But in any case, there's always the element of difference, which is true before and is true now. The particular form we are seeing today, coming from the particular sources of anti-semitism today, is because they're jealous.

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u/ZellZoy Jun 28 '25

It was about having a state to defend us because the state we live in sure won't, like when Israel had to send planes to rescue Jews from the Amsterdam pogrom last year.

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u/asafg8 Jun 28 '25

That’s not an accurate depiction of herzel’s. He truly believed that having a state would normalize Jews. 

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u/CastleElsinore Jun 28 '25

"Its not going to stop, but at least we have an army to defend ourselves"

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u/WeaselWeaz Jun 28 '25

I don't think at this point any Jews are surprised. Liberal and progressive Jews have a different challenge, trying to reconcile our beliefs with spaces that reject us.

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u/whosevelt Jun 29 '25

Perhaps one day it will dawn on you that their rejection tells you something about their ideology. [Until next time skeletor meme]

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u/Careful_College_2238 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

Pretty sure every sane Jew in 2025 diaspora understand that “blending in” or “having a Jewish state” would not put an end to antisemitism. As for the indoctrinated? They are chanting right along with him.

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u/HighWaterSheriff Not Jewish Jun 28 '25

Piece of shit also appropriated a very famous Jewish artist’s stage name whilst calling for death to Jews. This is like a white “Smartin Luther King” campaigning to re-introduce segregation and bring back lynchings.

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u/Ok_Ambassador9091 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

They always appropriate us as they call for our death. It isn't a stretch to see why the Jew-demoniser changed the name of Dylan to "vylan" (villain). Or stole it to begin with.

Why are they so obsessed with us?

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u/daniedviv23 Reform/Conservative Jun 28 '25

What artist?

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u/HighWaterSheriff Not Jewish Jun 28 '25

Bob Dylan. The rapper chose Bob Vylan as his stage name despite acknowledging “no influence” from Bob Dylan’s music. He’s just being a vile human being.

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u/daniedviv23 Reform/Conservative Jun 28 '25

Ah thank you, I was focusing on Kneecap’s role and I was confused there

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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel Jun 29 '25

"Neighborhood Bully" has rarely been more accurate.

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u/AdiPalmer Jun 28 '25

Would you say he's being... A Vylan?

SORRY. I'll show myself out.

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u/zlex Jun 28 '25

The diaspora is cooked

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u/Ahad_Haam Secular Israeli Jew Jun 28 '25

People will assume this started on Oct 7th. Nope, Corbyn was around before (yes, never elected to PM, but neither are these people), and it didn't start with him either. The left in the UK have massive antisemitism problem.

I'm not sure it's "taken over" though. These people are loud but incapable of winning elections, now it seems like Reform are going to eat them.

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u/danhakimi Jun 28 '25

it's funny, because the UK might have some of the oldeest undisturbed Jewish communities in the world. Most of Europe, all of the Middle East... The next oldest Jewish communities would be the ones who came to the US in, what, the late 1800s? And, of course, Israeli communities that went there at around that time. So yeah, if you want a Jewish community that's been in place for over ~140 years, the UK is the best place to look... and we'll see how much longer that lasts.

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u/Prowindowlicker Jun 28 '25

Just in the UK and some parts of Europe.

In the US it’s not that bad

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u/CastleElsinore Jun 28 '25

You say that, but im heading to pride tomorrow expecting to get assaulted (again) for having a ✡️ on my flag

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u/Prowindowlicker Jun 28 '25

Ya as a gay Jew myself I’ve stayed away from Pride. The last time I went to Pride was 2023 when my old shul in GA walked in the parade.

I don’t know if they are gonna do it this year. Didn’t happen last year

I’m sorry you got assaulted. Hope you’re ok.

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u/CastleElsinore Jun 28 '25

Im alright, thanks for checking 💜

Im also visibly disabled, so attacking me is extra garbage, but its what I expect from that crowd at this point

Im still willing to put myself out there though, because I think visibility is important

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u/BudandCoyote Jun 28 '25

Personally, I think your life and safety is more important - and so does Judaism. Don't go if you're not going to be safe. It is not worth it.

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u/ShiplessOcean Jun 29 '25

👏 you are brave.

Wishing you safety and a great time.

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u/Careful_College_2238 Jun 28 '25

And Canada, and let’s not forget mrdr in DC, and attempted mrdr in CO, as well as many other cities that aren’t reaching major headlines. Not to mention the NYC socialist mayoral candidate who defends “globalize the intifada” just won the democratic primary.

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u/Prowindowlicker Jun 28 '25

Ya but in the US those are only in a few areas. It’s thankfully not the entire US.

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u/Careful_College_2238 Jun 28 '25

To be clear DC, CO, NY are not the only places. There are many more that you have not heard of! Let’s not be naive now, and let’s not act like the problem isn’t growing. Sorry

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u/Prowindowlicker Jun 28 '25

The problem is growing. I’m not denying that. But it’s not like the US is flooded with antisemitism either.

A lot of the US is still safe for Jews which is different than a lot of places like the UK or Canada where it’s not. The Midwest and southern parts of the US are still ok but it’s unfortunately something we have to be on the lookout now more than ever

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u/BudandCoyote Jun 28 '25

As someone who lives in the UK, I feel 'it's not' is a serious overstatement. I haven't seen worse here than the US, in terms of incidents, and while we have crap like what OP has highlighted, no one has shot anyone or set anyone on fire for being Jewish here. The US cannot say the same.

This is a worldwide problem. It's a problem because we're a minority in literally every country we live in except one, and minorities are targets. Always have been. The Holocaust shocked the world enough we got something of a break for a while (though it never fully went away). But now we're too far from it, so the old hatred is just back in fashion again.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Just give your fellow Brits some time. They will come around and start attacking British Jews openly.

It seems your country does not see pro-Palestinians and Islamo-fascists as a problem at all.

Just last week, they waltzed in on an RAF base and damaged military aircraft.

In the meantime, British police arrests people for mean tweets.

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u/Careful_College_2238 Jun 28 '25

Circle back in a year.

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u/gasplugsetting3 pamiętamy Jun 28 '25

Speak for yourself bud. Life in the US is a lot less terrifying than people online would have you believe.

There are issues, but in the big picture, we're not doing so bad. It's a relatively good time in Jewish diaspora history. My head isn't buried in the sand either, I'm just confident the sky isn't falling.

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u/Ok_Ambassador9091 Jun 28 '25

The Democratic party, one of only 2 major parties in the USA, just permitted a rabid, violent, loud and proud antisemite to be its nominee for the NYC mayoral election, after a majority of voters elected him to be the nominee.

The sky is certainly doing something.

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u/MrFlitcraft Jun 29 '25

What exactly makes Mamdani a “rabid, violent, loud and proud antisemite?” The main evidence i’ve seen is that he did not condemn a phrase that he himself doesn’t use but is used by a cause that he supports. He won because he ran a campaign that relentlessly talked about issues that matter to New Yorkers and his main opponent was a corrupt creep.

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u/hereforlulziguess Actually loves matzah Jun 28 '25

Do you know how democracy works? People get to vote, the Democratic Party didn't "permit" anything. And while I don't like Mamdani's stances on Israel, where has he been violent? "Loud and proud" means he'd be SAYING he's an antisemite - he does not believe he is. I think he's ignorant on these issues, and I think that's bad, but you're being absolutely hysterical here.

Amazing you're trying to inflame people over this while the current administration has hired an actual Nazi to be the Department of Defense spokesperson.

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u/Ok_Ambassador9091 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

But they did permit it. They could have distanced themselves from him, but they did not. They could have spoken up against his, and other antisemitic democrats' rantings, but have not.

I dunno if you are Jewish or not, and frankly don't care. Antizionist Jews, antizionist-y Jews, and antisemite gentiles love to say there is no antisemitism, when its blatant, violent, and growing. It's one of their oldest tricks, telling the Jew who speaks out against antisemitic racism that he/she/they are being "hysterical". Or, trying to "inflame" people. We've had an influx of this language here since shortly before the election. It's as if there's a script.

The Qatari royal family praised his win. It has been hailed by jihadis as globalising the intifada. He has made no secrets of his beliefs. Aside from his racism towards Jews, he is also supporting anti-Hindu actions and sentiments. Advocates from that community are also speaking up against his candidacy. And are also being denigrated for doing so by his supporters. Using the same language you've used, here.

If you're in denial, I get it. It's scary. If you're just one of his supporters trying to silence us, there's not much left to discuss on the subject. We know who he is.

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u/SoleSanctum Just Jewish Jun 29 '25

Yeah don’t let this person gaslight you. Mamdani is antisemitic in every single sense of the word and any sane Jew is or should be gravely concerned. All sane people should be concerned to have this much of a bigot likely in control of New York City. Very troubling times.

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u/whosevelt Jun 29 '25

Ah, so it's just that a majority of Democrat voters picked him. Thanks, I feel much better now!

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u/Training_Ad_1743 Jun 28 '25

Where specifically? I've heard many New York Jews are scared sheetless.

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u/JowyJoJoJrShabadoo Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

I mean, this is the case in the UK too. Too many people spend way too long dooming on Reddit, a liberal and virulently antisemitic echo chamber, and not enough time out and about.

Life's just grand here. Manchester is the fastest growing Jewish community in Europe and among the safest in the world. Antisemites come in various shades (though predominantly extreme left and/or Islamic) but that's true of anywhere, Israel included.

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u/mikwee Israeli Jew Jun 30 '25

I wouldn't be so dramatic. The diaspora has withstood far worse than provocative music performances

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u/Unlikely-Donkey-7226 Not Jewish Jun 28 '25

Peak disturbing. I’m sorry

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u/ProjectConfident8584 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

That was a stomach turning display what the fuck is going on with British ppl? These mf really want sharia law

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u/theuniversechild Reform Jun 29 '25

Trust me, a lot of Brits are absolutely appalled by what’s going on over here.

The absolute mess at Glasto is big news here today which is only furthering tensions in a country that is already an absolute tinderbox!

The guy even sang “I heard you want your country back, shut the fuck up” which has added fuel to the fire considering the conversations happening surrounding immigration and asylum at the moment - basically he’s managed to kick a hornets nest and no doubt boosted support for Reform in the process.

Doesn’t help that the festival platformed Kneecap who have been charged with terrorist offences and also “Palestine Action” who are facing being proscribed as a terrorist organisation following their recent attack on military and bludgeoning an officer with a sledgehammer last year….

I could rant about Glasto all day as I used to live near there, so don’t particularly have a positive view of the event to begin with.

Unfortunately we have a huge issue with the far left and plastic socialists in general which is really frustrating for those of us on the left who think these people are absolute melts, dont want to be associated with them and feel they only damage the reputation of actual leftists.

It’s not a great time to be a Jew here, that’s for sure and sadly I can’t see things improving anytime soon.

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u/GrahamCStrouse Jun 29 '25

Social media elevates the presence of noisy minorities and gives them a voice disproportionate to their numbers.

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u/theuniversechild Reform Jun 29 '25

You’re not wrong there!!!

This has been a huge issue with our politicians too - they completely misread the feeling of the population because they assume the loud minority speaks for everyone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

I try to stay off social media and stay off the topic but honestly it's actually worse IRL. You literally can't escape it - I was at a bbq and people started talking about how they support Hamas...my neighbor has two giant Palestine flags flying out of their window...they installed Palestine flags for miles along the main road and even though it's illegal apparently the borough 'interviewed residents and found that the majority wanted them to stay up'...my local supermarket has 'From the River to the Sea' and 'F** IDF' graffitied over the entrance...every Saturday there is an antisemitic hate march through the center of town and a group outside the shopping center calling on people to boycott Israeli products...my local bookstore has a whole shelf of books promoting Palestinian terrorism, one of which described Hamas as a legitimate government and Oct 7 as a 'consequence.' Posters calling to 'isolate the Zionist state,' stickers saying 'celebrate the resistance,' my street sign covered in a map of Israel labeled 'Palestine.'

So as much as I would love to agree that it's just social media hype, in my experience, it's really not.

*Eta my little cousins' elementary school started using a private bus service to and from school after attacks on the kids, and even then kids were attacked and screamed at after people climbed on board. All the Jewish schools in the city have been attacked, red paint thrown on them, bomb threats, people attacking verbally and physically, spitting on children, public buses refusing to stop and the people on board cheering. None of this is ever reported on in mainstream news, or if it is, it's a tiny article and all the comments are saying it wasn't a hate crime or they deserved it.

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u/_Administrator_ Jun 29 '25

Londonistan has fallen

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '25

There are already sharia courts here

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u/GrahamCStrouse Jun 29 '25

They have no idea what they want. This is Scotland we’re talking about…

Scots writ large are great at being against things. Scotand’s remained under England’s thumb for centuries because they’ve never figured out what it is they’re actually FOR.

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u/Happy2026 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

The media is so one sided and hyper focused on only Gaza. There’s so much more going on in the world that needs addressing. Like where are the hourly updates on Ukraine. I was watching the BBC give the Iranian regime a voice, it was sickening. They are obviously being paid, and they repeat things that are unverified. CNN last night was showing a malnourished looking baby, but I question why do the adults with the baby look well fed. It feels like child exploitation. There are serious famines that need attention, these people get more aid and donations than any population I’ve ever seen. If it’s getting stolen they need to blame Hamas, who is stealing it. They are perpetuating the situation for money, it’s sickening. They don’t talk about the Iranians now being imprisoned and executed after the strikes. Israelis had to take shelter because there was a missile from Yemen, and then another one I forgot from where already because no media covers it. Jews need to sue, they are blatantly misleading and/or lying and it’s getting us killed.

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u/Idoru22 Jun 28 '25

Man it’s rough out there. Stay safe everyone. Feels like we’re in 1938 tbh

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u/Individual-Stage-620 Jun 30 '25

Not minimizing or in any way ignoring your feelings, but get off the internet and go talk to some real live people :)

Not everyone is a piece of garbage Jew hater

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u/Ok_Ambassador9091 Jun 28 '25

Jews need to sue Glastonbury and the BBC, and everyone else who made and let this happen.

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u/Confident-Sense2785 Just Jewish Jun 28 '25

Jesus fucking christ this is beyond fucking sick

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u/Correct-Effective289 Reform Jun 28 '25

Whatever y’all do don’t read the comments on the U.K. subreddit thread it’s full of palinazis and their antisemitism.

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u/lifegoeson2702 Jun 29 '25

Also Fauxmoi, which might as well be the official PR team for Hamas & Hezbollah at this point

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u/JiGoD Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

BBC headline earlier today was literally BBC refuses to broadcast Kneecap. I had to look up what that even meant.

Let's criticize BBC for all the crap they actually do.

Edit- I was thankfully corrected directly below v

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u/Correct-Effective289 Reform Jun 28 '25

That’s only for kneecap. This is a different rapper at the same event.

https://x.com/henmazzig/status/1939000192029564969?s=46

The clip is from a BBC broadcast.

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u/JiGoD Jun 28 '25

Damn. Screw BBC.

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u/OfriS13 Jun 28 '25

I can’t believe it, they just freed palestine

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u/PeaceImpressive8334 Liberal Gentile Atheist Zionist 🇮🇱⚛🇺🇲 Jun 28 '25

And Haim performed after. Those girls are brave AF

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u/Correct-Effective289 Reform Jun 28 '25

I dunno how I feel about them attending then again they really haven’t said much.

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u/JabbaThaHott Jun 29 '25

I’m pretty sure they are staying quiet because there is absolutely nothing gained for them in speaking out, and they’d likely face enormous backlash. I think it’s unfair to suspect all famous Jews who have been silent on social media. Not everyone is built to be an activist.

The ones who have gone over to the Hamasnik crowd are very loud about it (Ilana glazer, Hannah einbinder, etc). I think we can presume innocence with the Haim sisters though 

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u/Idoru22 Jun 29 '25

Nothing gained? They stand up for their people and show the world this hatred shouldn’t be tolerated. I just wish more people would do it. By staying quiet, you’re essentially helping it spread. It sucks because I’m one to talk I haven’t really said much to people around me except immediate friends and family, it really is hard and it must’ve felt like this in Nazi Germany.

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u/JabbaThaHott Jun 29 '25

Yes, I wish it was like that too. But you see what happens to people who speak out. I’m so grateful for the ones who do, and I wish everyone did, but I don’t think everyone is strong enough/in a secure enough position to withstand all the hate and trolling that will inevitably come their way. I don’t think silence is ideal—but I also think it’s understandable and we shouldn’t assume the worst from people who haven’t made public statements 

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u/ZombieIanCurtis Jun 28 '25

Bob Vylan did it. A silence came over hundreds of Glastonbury attendees to focus on what they must do. Despite spending hundreds of pounds for a ticket to the festival, concert goers petitioned the Glastonbury festival organizer to cease all further performances. Bacchanalian celebrations fueled by acid, Heineken and red bull-vodkas gave way to organized workshops driven by the desire for lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians.

Bob Vylan themselves led many such workshops and spearheaded a 20 point plan encompassing land swaps, economic subsidies and security for both sides.

The Glastonbury attendees plus Bob Vylan presented the plan to Keir Starmer who rushed it to the UN. Benjamin Netanyahu was visibly shaken, crying tears of joy at witnessing “The Glastonbury Plan”. It was a grassroots plan that threaded the needle for peace is ways that politicians, think tanks and ngo leaders never considered. Upon seeing the plan Ali Khameni and Mahmoud Abbas both gave up politics, King Hussein reformed Jordan into a democracy and Egypt dedicated billions of dollars to reforming the nose on the sphinx.

The Middle East bloomed like never before as Israel and Palestine finally had peace. Gaza reinvented itself as the Ramallah Riviera, Israeli taxi drivers stopped ripping off American tourists, and Schnitzel Maklouba becomes the most popular dish in the Middle East.

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u/Correct-Effective289 Reform Jun 28 '25

10/10 this made me feel better

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u/ZombieIanCurtis Jun 30 '25

Glad to be of service. It really does nothing productive but I think I’m so burned out by the absurdity of the last few years that heaping on further absurdity and satire helps deal with the strangeness of our times.

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u/thatautisticguy Just Jewish Jun 28 '25

Its par for the course with the far left luvvies in Glastonbury sadly, so many terrorist supporting scumbags with flags......

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u/sunny-beans Conservative Jun 28 '25

I hate this country so much sometimes :(

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u/theuniversechild Reform Jun 29 '25

You’re not alone in that friend.

I’m so tired.

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u/sunny-beans Conservative Jun 29 '25

It really sucks. I'm in London, which IMO is a particularly antisemitic hellhole 😭 it is really exhausting. My 70 year old Judaism teacher has had people call her a “baby killer” in the streets on her way to shul. A 70 year old woman who literally has a charity to help refugee children who were separated from their parents when coming to the UK. It is disgusting :( I am sorry you have to deal with this, it’s so unfair.

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u/theuniversechild Reform Jun 29 '25

I honestly can’t begin to imagine how difficult it is for you down there with things being the way they are! I’m so sorry you’re also having to deal with all this. It sucks.

I used to go London all the time as it was always the easiest meeting spot with my friend - we both avoid it now and instead do the extra travel to each others towns as it just felt unsafe and that we were walking on eggshells!

Like I’m fortunate in the case that I can hide anything that can be clocked as Jewish as I look insanely Celtic; my friend on the other hand is Israeli and although he could pass as Jordanian, his accent gives his actual nationality away and all it would take is for someone with an axe to grind to register that - just not worth the stress and worry.

It’s absolutely abhorrent how people are acting, your Judaism teacher is a prime example of how bad things are getting - someone who’s being dehumanised and stripped of who they actually are in favour of baseless rhetoric seeped in hatred. It’s unjustifiable.

It’s not even restricted to just London either although I absolutely agree it’s on another level down there - we are seeing that same normalisation and hatred spreading. Theres a small shul local to me that got graffitied with some really disturbing things and because the local press didn’t report it, people act like it didn’t even happen! It’s just really sad, most of the members there are elderly too and I know it’s made them feel really shaken up and nervous about attending now. I’ve also had a few incidents of people saying the most unhinged shit to me not realising I’m a Jew; these were absolutely normal people you wouldn’t expect it from either!!! So I’m unsure if it’s something that’s always been there and people are feeling emboldened in showing it or if people are just being radicalised and losing sight of things. Either way, it’s terrifying.

I will say though that it’s getting more and more difficult not to smash my face against a wall when people try and downplay and dismiss the antisemitism with “ohhh it’s probably just AnTi-ZiOnIsM and someone being critical of Israel!” 🙄 ANY other group going through this stuff they will listen to, when it comes to us then they think they know better and can dictate to us what’s harmful! It’s nuts!

Sorry for the essay - If you ever fancy venting and a bit of camaradery, feel free to shoot me a message though! This whole mess can feel really lonely at times can’t it?

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u/sunny-beans Conservative Jun 29 '25

It is bad everywhere unfortunately, I was in Bristol before and it was tough there too. It must be extra difficult for Israelis living here, I can’t imagine the bullshit they have to deal with! It is always really heartbreaking to hear about synagogues being attacked too, it’s so unfair and awful :(

My situation is particularly stupid because I moved to London only to pursue conversion 😅 the irony moving to a very anti semitic city because I want to be Jewish is not lost on me! Hahah

I do think like you said people are getting more bold about it since now they can more easily hide under the banner of “anti Zionism” :( they use that as an excuse to show their true feelings and it’s sickening. Many “useful idiots” too, people who hear things on Tik tok and think they know the truth ugh.

Anyways, I will message you! It is nice to meet British Jews :) and it is truly so isolating, I’ve lost so many friends, so it is nice to meet new people who understand the mess this place is atm 😅

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u/CatlinDB Jun 28 '25

I think that school curriculums in both the HS and college levels need to be examined. NYS is setting up a commission to combat Antisemitism. Telling people to be nice to Jews isn't going to be effective..

Teaching actual history instead of Antisemitic conspiracy theories, which is essentially what kids are learning, might change attitudes.

One of my children came home from school and told me that her teacher told their class that Israel started the war in 1948, when it conquered Palestine. She corrected the teacher who eventually apologized and said she was just following the curriculum.

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u/oren0 Jun 28 '25

In the UK, police arrest 30 people per day for speech that causes "offense", "annoyance", or "inconvenience" to others. People have been arrested for criticizing school board decisions, posting photos of offensive Halloween costumes, or silently praying on public sidewalks.

But calling for the deaths of thousands including some British residents is no problem, apparently.

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u/Jewish_Secondary Jun 29 '25

I wonder if he’s ever called for the death of the Russian military? No?

Goys will be goys, making excuse for their atrocity while condemning Jews for living.

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u/sababa-ish Jun 30 '25

i'm trying to remember a time when people in the west cheered a 'death to [anyone]' chant

even if you take away all context and substitute any group it's shocking

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '25

any evidence of hezbollah and hamas flags?

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u/Correct-Effective289 Reform Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

Copying elsewhere. That’s my bad I got that from one of the tweets I think , think they retracted that, I’ll retract that. Although I can’t be sure if the yellow flag in this video is the same one or of Hezbollah or not.

https://x.com/henmazzig/status/1938977964093211071?s=46

Edit: I guess you can’t edit the subtext even if it’s not part of the title.

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u/TheBeearJew Jun 28 '25

Yeah I asked the same thing. Not that I would be surprised...

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u/izanaegi Jun 28 '25

one of their members is like, an actual registered felon for supporting terrorism too. fuck these losers

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '25

The anti Israel crowd is on some major meth. They need to go to rehab.

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u/BeYeCursed100Fold Jun 29 '25

I apologize. I accidentally downvoted this post based on the title.

This is sickening and disgusting.

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u/grokebomb Jun 29 '25

I used to be in a punk band and played the same circuit as these two, and while our paths have never crossed in real life we have mutuals. I'm heartbroken by this whole debacle.

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u/VestitaIsATortle Jun 28 '25

I watched their set and they complained about the BBC calling the war in Gaza a conflict.

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u/AltruisticMastodon Jun 29 '25

The storied English tradition of whipping a mob into a frenzy over Jews.

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u/ChallahTornado Traditional Jun 29 '25

Take the appropriate measures.

Look into legal ways to physically defend yourself.

Learn to defend yourself in these ways.

After you are proficient in these ways you are free to feel bad about the world or whatever.

Be the Jew they don't want you to be.

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u/Wonderful-Finish-625 Jun 28 '25

It’s the Irish band Kneecap! They have been doing this since 10/7. They are well known for their stance on Jews and Israel. l was sad to see that their upcoming shows here in San Francisco sold out months ago, but not surprised!

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u/grokebomb Jun 29 '25

This is Bob Vylan. Kneecap weren't broadcast.

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u/Wonderful-Finish-625 Jun 29 '25

Yes! l have already been scolded a million times about this. Thanks for that!

Honestly, it doesn’t matter who l named, or misnamed. What really matters is that it happened in the first place and that the BBC happily broadcast Vylan’s hateful set.

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u/Background_Novel_619 Jun 29 '25

This was not Kneecap, a different artist. Read the article.

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u/daniedviv23 Reform/Conservative Jun 28 '25

Said it before but again: On top of my problems with them as a Jew, I must just voice my disgust as someone Irish American as well as Jewish and who grew up with deep connections to my Irish side and my Irish-speaking family.

Folks like Kneecap had such promise in helping modernize and revive the Irish language (Gaeilge), but they’ve now only fed into the stereotypes used against their dialect (literally referred to as Jailtacht) by being pro-terrorism. We were moving past the days where Gaelgeorí (Irish speakers) were profiled as terrorists and terror-supporters merely for using their language. Now they’ve fucked over the whole community, all while while inciting violence against others.

Mar a deirtear, ní bhíonn an dall ina fhear treorach. Ag déanamh amadáin asainn os comhair na nGall. Is é a leithéid siúd an fáth go bhfuil drochchlú ar mhuintir na hÉireann.

(As Béarla: As the old Irish saying goes, the blind man is no guide. These men make fools of us in front of the English/outsiders. It is their kind that brings shame upon the Irish people.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Yeah? How's that working out for them?

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u/NakedPeachMangosteen Reform Jun 29 '25

Considering they’re not rotting in prison, it’s working out too damn good for them.

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u/sababa-ish Jun 29 '25

'bob vylan'... once again you just can't parody these idiots

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u/NakedPeachMangosteen Reform Jun 29 '25

“Pro-Palestinian rapper.” Savage thug terrorist antisemitic scumbag rapper.

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u/cutiepeuni Jun 29 '25

Had some of the 20 year olds i work with do this while we were out with the work lot! It's only going to get worse from here now they've unlocked a new chant.

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u/Surround8600 Just Jewish Jun 30 '25

Interesting that they named their band after a Jewish-Zionist, Bob Dylan.

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u/Jaeger_Wiener Jun 30 '25

It's time for Jewish people and allies to boycott bri'ish products and services. We might not cradh their economy, but we might make a visible dent. Also, I urge all Jews in the Isles to denounce the "performers" and crowd to the Crown Police. Let's see if those hate-speech laws are worth a damn

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u/brittanyelyse Jul 02 '25

I just saw a clip Of this bands set- it’s one drummer who also is the DJ (so all the other instruments are just samples essentially) And the vocalist who literally sounds and is just a poor man’s Tom morello. (And black, which is I pierant only bc how rediculous this whole thing really is.., Before this weekend, I had no idea that this shit duo existed, and now that I do my brain is really trying to process how this is what is popular, this is what is getting booked and not just the UK’s biggest festival, but was also booked all over the US! And tickets are obviously sold, they must have a fan base? -Not based on originality (again, this is a very very poor version of bands we have heard before, and they sound very much like these bands.. bc no one can convince me that they did just type in “rage against the machine type but kind of punk sound” on AI/GPT and this is what was created.

I mean, he sounds to me like a bad cover band of rage against the machine, except with a drum machine and vocalist.

So, in this clip the lyrics are “ so I heard you want your country back” and they repeat this over and over (then pan to audience who are all British white people) singing along.,,

I’m not lying.

(So imagine, a black man, talking about colonizing to 300,000 white British people holding Palestine flags???? My eyes rolled into the back on my head and right back into place. It’s beyond cringe…) —-Let’s get back to the lyrics

Ok- so what country? Right?

-the white people wanting the Uk back from the “brown” people? -Africa ? -America ? As every American would then owe to the indigenous people (flash back to rage against the machine politics)

  • Dutch Indonesian islands
Ok, I’m joking..I’m not going to go through every country and or continent, empire island that could be the subject BC THAT IS LITERALLY THE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION and because we as intelligent humans know this- this shit must all be satire, bc it’s insane if not. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Sorry for the rant, I’m just really surprised how bad this band really is and that this is popular

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u/Appropriate_Gate_701 Jun 29 '25

Luckily I've never heard of this guy.

Pulling a full Whoopie Goldberg on name appropriation.