r/Jewish 8d ago

Venting 😤 Feeling confused and ashamed

Throwaway because many of my friends are pro-Palestinian

I (F17) am of Senegalese and Spanish-Jewish origin. My mom is Muslim and my dad was Jewish but my parents broke up when I was younger( like 8 )and went no contact, so I’ve been out of touch with my Jewish heritage for what feels like forever ( and to be honest sometimes I feel like I’m not even Jewish because I know so little ) My mom never denied that part of me though and although my family is Muslim they’re very open minded, when I was little my younger cousin even wanted to convert to Judaism, but she could never help me get in touch with that part of me so I kind of scrambled to reclaim that side of my identity and that’s how I became fascinated with Israel.

When I was little no other kid knew what it was and my mom thought it was cute but that was all there was to it. Now since oct. 7 everyone my age knows about Israel but they’ve been very critical of it some even saying it shouldn’t exist and because of that I got into an argument with my best friend of literally ever. She (F19) was born and raised in Senegal and immigrated when she was like 12, her family gets along very well with mine so we used to spend all of our time together. Recently though she posted a story of those posters where they say stuff like Israel is starving ppl etc… and at first I didn’t really confront her because I figured she just didn’t know better,,, but when she came over for barbecue I decided I’d use this opportunity to explain to her the situation and she wouldn’t hear any of it.

I explained how important it was for Jewish people to have a place for them, a safe haven to practice our culture and just be who we are and she just ??? Disagreed ??? She told me something and that’s what stuck with me and why I’m feeling ashamed, she asked me : if tomorrow Afro Americans decided that the us aren’t safe enough for them anymore and decide to just settle in Senegal and people are moved out of their houses to make room and now the French army is back on the territory, would you support that ? And I was like well no but that’s because they’re Americans, they have their country and their culture and all that and then she asked me if my father didn’t also have that. She was like ā€œis ur father just Jewish or is he Spanish AND Jewish?ā€

And yeah, my dad spoke to me in Spanish, and although I don’t remember it all too well, I do know that my family’s history is IN Spain, and ever since then I stopped talking to her and I’ve been feeling ashamed because now I’m questioning everything I believed in.

I’m not saying Israel doesn’t need to exist but I’m not sure I agree with the method used by the IDF? Our ā€œsafe havenā€ hasn’t know peace because who ever decided to cut the land didn’t do so equally and didn’t house people who were moved out and I feel like this isn’t our fault but idk I feel ashamed because I thought if I ever got the chance to become Israeli then I’d be a real Jewish girl but now I’m not even sure I want to visit the country anymore, and I do feel like my ancestry is to be upheld (??) but I feel like my friend was kinda right, that I already have a culture and now I’m thinking and I’m ashamed to think so but I genuinely believe that I’d rather work hard to be accepted among other Spaniards as both Spanish and Jewish than fight people for a land my family has no history or ties to, because at the end of the day antisemitism is the root of the problem. If for whatever reason we lose the war then I don’t want to feel unsafe but I don’t think Israel is what’s gonna keep us safe, it’s failed to do so so far and now everyone I know is against their methods in the war and I’m no longer sure they’re wrong to disagree I’ve spent so long fantasizing about meeting other Jewish people or like being accepted as such that I completely forgot that I could be Jewish, Senegalese AND Spanish.

This is really just word salad and English is not my first language, so please don’t be mean. I haven’t told my mom about it and I genuinely have like no Jewish friends so I have no one to talk to about this and I’m terrified that I’m just being antisemitic for questioning all that since I wasn’t raised as a like ā€œproper Jewish personā€?? I’m not even sure how to word it

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u/MedvedTrader 8d ago edited 8d ago

About your mom's comparison - it is invalid because some random African Americans would not be indigenous to Senegal. Jews are indigenous to Israel.

And Israel didn't just willy-nilly "moved people out". ALL the surrounding states declared war on Israel at the time of independence declaration and during the war the Arab states told the Arab inhabitants of the land to leave so that they would not interfere with the victorious Arab armies and promised them that they could return after Israel was conquered and be rewarded with all the Jewish possessions.

During the exact same period - circa 1948, about 20 million (!!) people were moved between India and Pakistan in their partition war. Does anyone even remember that? Is there a UN agency solely dedicated to the Indian or Pakistani refugees?

During that same time, around 12 million ethnic Germans were forcefully removed from various territories in Eastern Europe that they lived on for centuries. Does anyone remember that? Is there a UN agency solely dedicated to these German refugees?

It is all about Jews. How dare Jews defend themselves. How dare Jews not submit to the Arab conquerors? How dare Jews not allow those who vowed to destroy them back in after they left?

Think about that.

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u/FalseMountain9527 8d ago

It wasn’t my mom :) she doesn’t really care about it, though she has shown sympathy ( as she always does ) for children who suffer the consequences. I said this on other comments but like I don’t really care who’s indigenous or not, I’m not even sure my family is like genetically (?) indigenous to the Middle East and i genuinely don’t care, I’m ashamed because I think I’m starting to see some of my friend’s point especially when she criticized the IDF’s method. The recent war is what happened that made everything so hard because now people know abt Israel but only for the bad reasons, obviously i think ill try to talk to her again about how Israel needs to exist but my like shame comes from the fact that im questioning the current administration’s methods/ motives (?) why cant we both live on the land like how India and Pakistan live ( although they have their problems) or how idk china and Taiwan ( although they also have their problems) but like both on our land ? Idk i just don’t like war at all, I’ve always been very critical of it so that’s why it might be a little harder recently that and the fact that it wasn’t just anyone i argued with but someone I genuinely love :(

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u/Traditional_Duck8430 8d ago edited 8d ago

Israel tried many times to make peace and moved all Jews out of Gaza and all the Palestinians did was turn Gaza into a hub for terrorism. You can ask ā€˜Why can’t we live in peace’ but the truth the Palestinians turned down multiple opportunities for a state of their own because they want ALL the land. What is Israel meant to do in your opinion? It’s easy to say you don’t like war. Nobody does but if you feel you are starting to take your friends word for it maybe you should research the conflict on your own and learn about it so you have an informed opinion

Who is indigenous is a part of that. Jews are tied to the land even those who lived in Spain.

I don’t know if it’s worth debating with your friend. I would put you first and connect and learn, rather than try and debate someone like her.

Also India and Pakistan is a terrible example of peopleā€ living together on one land.ā€