r/LaLiga • u/exploring_lifenow • 7d ago
đŹDiscussion Why is Franco Mastantuono registered as youth player but not Rooney Bardjie
Hi guys,
Just wanted to understand why Franco Mastantuono (brought for 60mil) registered as youth player but not Rooney Bardjie (brought for 2 mil) cannot be registered as youth player?
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u/gegenpress442 Atletico Madrid 7d ago
Barcelona don't have cap space to register him as a first team player, if they choose to register him as a b team they won't be able to use him as a first team player despite being u21. Real have cap space to register mastantuono but they choose not to.
It's a complicated issue, barghji has a professional contract, not a youth one that means he doesn't have to be registered cap space or not, Barcelona has limited cap space due to financial issues. They have multiple open registration spots available for theoretically more players. The issue comes with b team players and rules, exactly to clamp down on teams trying to break the cap rules. Then teams would do this all the time and cap would mean nothing. If Barcelona makes enough room for him, he will be treated as an u21 player, even if all 25 spots are taken.
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u/bitpartmozart13 7d ago
I was reading Madrid also registered him as a b-team player because they already have the 3 extracomunitario spots taken. Iâm sure by next season Endrick will be Spanish to allow for Masta.
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u/gegenpress442 Atletico Madrid 7d ago
I really haven't looked it up, then I don't think they will be able to play him much. Idk if this is their motive for doing so, it's an issue, it's solvable by selling rodrygo (idk if he has a Spanish passport) that is heavily linked to an exit, but then again it's not a long term solution
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u/bitpartmozart13 7d ago
I think Vini and Rodrygo became Spanish citizens after 2 seasons in Spain.
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u/7Thommo7 Barcelona 7d ago
If Real have space why do they choose not to? Why are they allowed to
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u/mylanguage 7d ago
Because if they buy someone they have the squad space to register them before the window. Only 25 spots
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u/gegenpress442 Atletico Madrid 7d ago
Because they can register an o21 if they choose to buy someone. If they do they have enough space to be able to play both
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u/MekotheSaurus 5d ago
All clubs are allowed to register u21 in the youth team. 12 clubs in the last 2 seasons have done the same.Â
Its not a loophole, its not fraud, its the fucking rules.
Next time you'll be asking why Real Madrid are allowed to play with 11.
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u/7Thommo7 Barcelona 5d ago
I was simply asking as it appeared to be a direct contradiction the way it was explained. Sorry you feel so offended by that.
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u/jmf1488 7d ago
Madrid signed Franco as a youth player so not to use the last space they have in the first team. It means they can sign another player to the first team. Madrid have 24 out of 25 players registered. Franco being registered as a b player means he can play in the first team. Common practise amongst clubs who have b teams in Spain.
Barcelona only have about 16 players registered out of the 25. They can't register anymore because of their finances. B team players count towards fair play. Barcelona dont need to register Rooney as a b team player. This is what Barcelona does to cover up the fact that Laporta, who has lied about being at 1:1. After 4 years is still not at 1:1. Its not his fault. La liga won't let him register players. He can harp on now that contra todo y contra todos. No one will question him. La liga favors Madrid. Its all part of the circus act that is FC Barcelona.
Tldr Barca can't register new signings for first team or b team because there finances are jodido.
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u/monunius 7d ago
Oh yes La Liga does not favor Madrid we all have halucinations while watching this league for 30 yers! Dude La Liga was and still is just another department of Real Madrid and everyone knows it!
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u/jug0slavija 7d ago
If so, why have Barca won more ligas than Madrid for the last 2 decades or so?
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u/jmf1488 6d ago
Same reason they have a +70 red card balance and real madrid have -15. They paid the refs.
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u/voli12 Barcelona 6d ago
Barça paid Florentino to buy Ramos, Pepe, Casemiro,... that's why we are broke
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u/jmf1488 6d ago
Your broke because Laporta has been skimming off the top for years. Your like 60m away from being legit and laporta mysteriously paid 50m in commissions to Darren Dein for brokering a deal between two entities that had a relationship lasting more than 20 years.
You've been with Nike so long, yet you had to give Darren Dein 50m for organising a renewal?
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u/voli12 Barcelona 6d ago
No one said the contrary lmao. I know we are broke, that has nothing to do with Madrid getting red cards because of playing dirty.
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u/jmf1488 6d ago
Ok so here are the stats.
Goals disallowed by UEFA VAR:
â˘RM: 2 (67 matches)
â˘FCB: 3 (52 matches)
Almost same.
Goals disallowed by La Liga VAR:
â˘RM: 33
â˘FCB: 13
Anomaly!
â Expulsion balance UEFA (2004â2018):
â˘RM: +11
â˘FCB: +16
Again almost same!
Expulsion balance RFEF (2004â2018):
â˘RM: -16
â˘FCB: +71
So here we have it.
We have evidence that Barca paid the vp of referees. We have the receipts so its a fact. We also have referring imbalance in la liga.
We dont have any evidence that barca paid the referees in Europe and the referring balance is the same.
In la liga, the man who was paid by Barca, Negreira. We have evidence that Negreira offered to help Barcelona with var. He literally emailed "I can help you with var"
As we can see from the statistically anomalies that Barca did indeed receive that help.
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u/voli12 Barcelona 6d ago
So the VAR statics just tell us that referees in La Liga will give a goal to Madrid easier than to other teams, even if the VAR should take it away. This static is just not good for your point at all, also, there was no VAR during Negreira era.
As for the red cards, of course, Barça's playstyle was really different to Madrid's. Having the ball 90% of the time, and not having physical players (nor dirty, bar a few like Alves and Masche) of course it's gonna make it so there's not as many red cards. The balance for Barça seems consistent between la Liga and UEFA on the same time period, considering the amount of games played in both.
But anyways, can't compare between La Liga and UEFA, since teams there play totally different football.
And it's funny you cherry-pick so many stats. According to ChatGPT (which sources Opta but I haven't checked manually), between 2004-2018:
- Barça got a total of +68 penalties (125 for, 57 against)
- Madrid got a total of +60 penalties (126 for, 66 against)
So even Madrid (the main rivals) got more penalties that "the cheaters" Barça those seasons.
Now let's look at 2022-2025 stats:
- Barça got a total of 17 (2+7+8) penalties
- Madrid got a total of 31 (12+5+14) penalties
In the last 3 seasons Madrid got almost double the penalties than Barça. You can cherry pick any stat and make it look good for other teams too.
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u/jmf1488 6d ago
I didn't cherry pick stats. You told me to bring the card stats and I did.
So what we know is. Barcelona paid over 8m to the vp of referees. We have the receipts. We now see the imbalance of referring awarded to Barcelona. They are miles ahead of any team in top 5 leagues in the last 20 years in terms of unbalanced of cards. Most teams stay around level, 10 being high. Barcelona plus 71.
Now you say this is because of how they play. They played the same in Europe where they didn't buy the referees and magically their numbers are just like every other team.
You sir are a sheep. You are exactly what Barcelona and laporta needs. Keep drinking the coolaide, let laporta milk your club dry and blame the evil Madrid for it all.
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 7d ago
Barcelona supporters complaining about La Liga, lolâŚ. Are we stupid! The Team that payed the refereeâs boss for 15 yearsâŚ.Years of debt that canât pay and here we are suffering this Mafia that should have disappeared years ago.
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u/jmf1488 7d ago
Barcelona are the only team in the entire league who are playing with a player who was registered outside of the rules. The only team with a player who was registered by the government.
This special Barcelona government trick doesn't apply to other teams. Betis had to sell Nabil Fakir due to registration issues. No special government help for them.
The last time a team got the special government help was in 2023 when the government registered Gavi outside of the la liga rules.
2 separate years, 2 separate occasions where the government have intervened to help Barcelona break the rules of La Liga. Both years they won the league.
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u/voli12 Barcelona 6d ago
Barcelona was investigated and found not guilty. Didn't Athletic pay Levante in 2007 for match-fixing though? What was the punishment again?
I don't think you know how debt works. Barça is paying the yearly installments and restructuring the debt (according to what the lenders offer). So what? If teams can't get debt (or cash injections by owners) there wouldn't be any new stadiums ever again.
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u/MekotheSaurus 5d ago
Barcelona fans have examinated the case and found their team not guilty.
Seriously, where do you get your info? i mean a mere Google search would be enough to know thats not the case.Â
My only explanations to Barça fans weird behaviour is that you mistaken some of the news about the case, where a court ruled that Negreira isn't a public official therefore the charges cant be "bribing of a public official". Which means exactly that, not that Barça is innocent.Â
The sporting corruption investigation is still going on, and Rosell and Bartomeu cant benefit from statute of limitations,like Laporta, so they are probably gettin charged for that.
Police and judge reports say "systemic corruption" and "its clear Barça saw an advantage in those payments thats why they kept doing it and even multiplying the amount". Â
Payments happened. The trial will have to prove that those payments were enough to manipulate the competition.
Which is obvious when Negreira was one of the guys in charge of rating the refs.Â
Refs arent stupid, even if there werent directly pressured they surely knew which errors lead to gettin relegated vs gettin high profile matches and finals.
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u/voli12 Barcelona 5d ago edited 5d ago
So it means that they will be absolved, Negreira isn't a public official and paying a private company is not against any rules. They already changed the judge because the previous one said there's no evidence to find Barça guilty of anything.
EDIT: but it's true, they are waiting for the yearly Madrid 0 - 4 Barça to in the BernabÊu again this year so Marca and As can publish some "new" (useless) stuff about Negreira (spoilers: it will be an opinion article with lots of bullshit).
EDIT: Three judges have been already. First one said they didn't find any evidences so the case should be dropped. They changed to Aguirre, the guy who is known to hate every catalan institution and cause (yes, one of the ones who is still trying to get Puigdemont even if they've been told by other EU police that they won't hand him over). Even this guy couldn't find any way to find Barça guilty. But he already retired. Third will be the charm for Madrid?
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u/MekotheSaurus 4d ago
Paying a ref official is against the rules lol. Its sporting corruption. Legit how deranged must Barça fans be to think bribing a member of ref commitee is not only legal but also ethical.
About the rest of your post, again: Google search to avoid embarassing yourself next time. Everything you wrote is either false or nonsensical and unrelated (Puigdemont? Like...Seriously?)
I wont be replying you again because the moment you admitted paying a ref official is ok in your book theres nothing more to discuss here.
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 6d ago
About Barça and Negreira Case there is not trial already, Barcelona is accused of corruptionâŚ.. Hear this! The trial hasnât occurred yet. This summer some witnesses have been called for declaration , as Valverde or Luis Enrique.
Then about the Athletic and Levante Recordings Case, it was not once but twice investigated by different judges and there werenât any case to accuse to anyone, nobody knows who are the people who speak in thoseâŚ.. just fake news coming from people who really want to see the Athletic Club disappears. Is like the case of the Osasuna the only team convicted of corruption for buying victories, why? Because it was easy, but Barcelona will be difficult, even the same Barcelona has recognised that they payed to Negreira for years for informs, nobody has seen already any of them.
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u/Kind_Pomegranate_171 7d ago
lol barca fans will hate on Madrid instead of looking at how shit Barca financials have been
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u/Party_Rocker_69 7d ago
Trust me, they know. and none of em really care too much about what RM has been doing about their players registration.
Theyâre complaining about Hernandez Hernandez atm
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness5062 7d ago
It doesnt matter where you register the player it counts towards the fair play and FCB has none of it to register salaries.
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u/Veridicus333 Real Madrid 7d ago
What does the sale price have to do with this đđ
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u/ogc_glizzyxx Real Madrid 7d ago
Just varca fanboy who can't wrap his head around the fact that RM have a financial muscle, and is able to register players without bending/breaking the rules
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u/One_Tchouameni 6d ago
Bragging about financial muscle whilst spending 60million on this lad is NOT the flex you think it is.
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u/illicit92 Real Madrid 4d ago
It's not even a flex, it's just making fun of Barcelona and their shit finances.
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u/LogTekG 7d ago
Because madrid have a few hundred million in salary cap to play with (Franco will still count towards the wage bill if he plays 10 games with madrid) while barca could have a situation where they cant play their player if they decided to sign him to the B team and then decided to sign someone else as well
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u/Walt_Draper 7d ago
Cuz Barca are not within the 1:1 rule
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u/Alumi_Ninja14 La Liga 7d ago
What does that mean?
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u/Lopsided_Cookie_7554 7d ago
Every player that plays 10 games with the first team even the youth ones immediately count as first team player, at least in salarial cap, so if Roonie plays 10 games Barcelona would surpass the cap, and Madrid doesnt have that problem, so la liga has advised Barcelona to find a way to put him in the first team to avoid a problem later on
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u/Alumi_Ninja14 La Liga 7d ago
Ok đ and whatâs the reason RM have no âcapâ and Barca do?
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u/prophetu_fcrb 7d ago
All teams have the salary cap. There's no way around it. Madrid was just way better managed from a finance point of view.
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u/Alumi_Ninja14 La Liga 7d ago
Thank you hombre.
Seems like you canât ask a question without getting downvoted here. Desgraciados.
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u/TareasS Barcelona 7d ago
Both have a cap but Barcelona has been building a new stadium for 2 years, which significantly reduced revenue and increased costs. They also had bad fiscal years a couple of years ago which still has an effect on the calculations today.
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u/jug0slavija 7d ago
Real also renovated the stadium lol
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u/TareasS Barcelona 6d ago
Yeah but they did it during covid when stadiums were abandoned anyway. Perez being smart again.
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u/Agreeable-Train7673 6d ago
Yeah but if you forgot COVID caused nightmare in logistics and delays and workers needing for constant COVID tests/isolation . It actually was over budget and delayed , but since perez was careful with money  before (unlike bartamou) he was able to do it
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u/mytosysticfibrosis 6d ago
When stadiums were abandoned anyway
Lmaoo wouldnât it be worse since thereâs no income from people attending the matches?? Not to mention the logistic costs đ
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u/TareasS Barcelona 6d ago
You're not getting income from the matches anyway if construction is taking place. So better to do it then than have both covid and then separate reduced revenue from construction shortly after.
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u/mytosysticfibrosis 6d ago
What?? Youâre talking out of your ass arenât you? The highest attendance at Montjuic is 50,314 in April. Arenât those fans buying tickets??
Madrid played at Alfredo di Stefano during covid which means 0 attendance for a lot of games.
Madrid is years ahead in financial literacy. Barca is just objectively shit at handling money.
Not to mention, Madrid never had to sell their grass.
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u/gegenpress442 Atletico Madrid 7d ago
I think if he is registered as a b team and plays matches predominantly with the first team it's a registration issue too. Normally a and b teams have different registrations that can't overlap. If barca registered him as a youth team player then the 10 games rule counts. Idk what they tried to do but it's certainly not a good look
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u/bitpartmozart13 6d ago
Makes sense. Not sure why that info was floating in the Spanish press last week.
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u/Real-Entertainment29 6d ago
Possible fraud-adjacent story in the making.
Let the lawyers handle it.
The kid plays well, hopefully he won't have future troubles.
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u/AtomicESP21 3d ago
Quick summary: Barcelona has to comply with the 1:1 rule to register players and right now in order to register they would have to make an exit. Madrid is well enough to be able to register since economically it is the best in the entire Spanish league by far. This thing about signing up for the reserve team and then playing for the first team has already been done by more teams in the past. Osasuna is a clear example. Gabo was also used in the first team for a full season while enrolled in the quarry.
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u/Weekly-Chemical-2483 3d ago
Pretty much because laliga is a shitty league destroying Spanish football with their idiotic rules
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u/rogerwilco19 3d ago
Basically it is due to the La Liga FPF issue. The RM complies with it and Barça does not. Other clubs were already able to do the same thing that Real Madrid has done with Mastantuono. Like for example Fabio Silva in Las Palmas or Hannibal from Manchester United when he signed for Sevilla.
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u/perucho1993 7d ago
Because of Franco and the facism regime
Theyâre the fault of all of Barca problems, according to them
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u/skabassj Barcelona 7d ago
Because of the jersey he wears
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u/Fausto2002 7d ago
Barcelona tried to register him as youngster and they didn't let them
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u/Temporary-Mud9795 7d ago
I don't agree with what he said but you are just agreeing with him lol
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u/Faxxiz 7d ago
Yes because it's facts, it's absolutely a lie to say it's because of finances or salary cap.
Because of the jersey, one could be registered in the B team and the other couldn't. And these are regulated separately.He could be blocked after playing 15 games (which is the rule if you're in the B team), but you see already Franco has played 2 (and surely will play more than 13 others cause of the jersey), while Roony isn't allowed to play only one (out of 15, which is the explicit rule).
But who knows, the rules may change again to favor the royalty
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u/mytosysticfibrosis 6d ago
Bro yap but doesnât know the rules đ pathetic display of IQ đđŤľ
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u/RyansKorea 6d ago
Rooney was going to be registered until him and the manager got into an Ardjie Bardjie
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u/amiresque 7d ago
Even if you don't want to bother doing the research yourself, there are others in this very comment thread explaining what the reason is. So why not read those instead of making idiotic comments?
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u/AupaAtlet1c0 Atletico Madrid 7d ago
Why are u acting like u both donât run the league. Watching Barca fans and Real argue about âoh you guys abuse your powerâ is so funny to me
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 7d ago
Fuck you too! Atletico another mafia, the three should disappear to have a corruption free Liga.
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u/jamiethecoles 7d ago
If Iâm not mistaken, heâs signed to Barça Atletic / Barça B, not the first team, so wouldnât be registered as a first team youth player.