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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 4d ago
It wasn’t allowed by the Club nor the Liga, just a popular claim and fans made it while the match started and was played.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
The club said it was for the “Palestinian Pele” who died seeking food supplies, right? Seems a clever way to make it appear non-political. I don’t think la liga would get involved even if they wanted to.
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 4d ago
It was stated by the collectives that requested the 1 minute of silence, not by the club. The Club said officially no to re request made by some Peñas and collectives among club members, why? Because the club considers they don’t make “political” statements, which it’s not true AC supported Ucraine at the negros the War. However, in this case it’s 99,9999% they agree but don’t want to mess in politics.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
It makes sense, though Athletic Club is possibly the most political club when you consider your unique Basque-centric player policy.
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 4d ago
Any club is political. Atlético de Madrid and the far right extremism with the Gil Family and Cerezo.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
A bit different- the ownership and leadership has never politically directed the policy of the club the way Bilbao’s has
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 4d ago
Yes it has allowing the Frente Atlético, related to Far right groups and violence against other teams, to be in the Stadium, to fly with the Team across Spain and Europe, always with the support of the Directive, giving free tickets, etc….
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
They fly with the team and get free tickets? I never heard of that. If true, terrible, but is that confirmed?
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u/AdSuccessful2506 Athletic Club 4d ago
Yes, it’s the only team that haven’t done anything against their most extremist and violent supporters, never. They had even death victims. The same players has given tickets to Frente Atlético, some of them who were banned and not allowed to attend football matches and travel, has been identified among the supporters that travelled to European matches in the official committee….. the Atlético has a lot to do about it. It’s the most violent stadium, maybe Betis too, actually they are quite close too.
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u/CygnusVCtheSecond 4d ago
died
Just fell over while going to the supermarket, right?
We need to be specific. He was murdered in cold blood by the same creatures who had made it necessary for him to go and scramble for aid packages because they're committing a genocide while also maintaining a famine.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
I should have said “was killed”
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u/CygnusVCtheSecond 4d ago
Yes, sir. I didn't mean it to come off like I was having a go at you, so if it did, my apologies.
It was a general assertion and distinction because I see so much rewriting of history through the contrivance of words.
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u/W-Nessa Athletic Club 4d ago
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u/Quiet-Football-5415 Barcelona 4d ago
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u/Enough-Force-5605 4d ago
I am Madrid fan and I think they should do the same in Bernabéu.
You will not see it in Camp Nou... Because the genocide in Gaza will end before the Camp Nou construction works finish. :D
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u/DUMBbutDor 4d ago
You won't see it in Madrid cause the capital doesn't support oppressed peoples as they have bad history with the Basque region and Catalonia which represent a threat for the integrity of this government
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u/blonsitobreve 4d ago
Comparing what is happening in Gaza to those independence movements is extremely offensive to palestinians lol
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u/blonsitobreve 4d ago
And Madrid holds the biggest pride parade of Europe btw. It is really cheap being an ignorant on the internet
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u/Quiet-Football-5415 Barcelona 4d ago
I hope other Club will follow this
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u/mrdrebin77 4d ago
A poor guy was banned from a Brighton match the other day, just for wearing a Palestine t-shirt.
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u/Something_231 4d ago
it was even a football team shirt lmao. I hope more clubs get exposed for supporting a genocide
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u/yatesy613 4d ago
That story is being told wrong. He was in the hospitality area where no football shirts are allowed. Just propali aura farming
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u/AcceptableReview3846 4d ago
I know its a much smaller league, but league of Ireland does a lot of stuff like this
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the UK literally invented Israel. Germany has a weird complex about zionism. you're not gonna see this kinda thing in those leagues.
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u/RebelSpoon 3d ago
Israel as we know it today yes. Israel existed long before 1945 though
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it literally didn't
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u/RebelSpoon 3d ago
Yes it did. The Kingdom of Israel existed by 900 BCE.
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u/shuvooo07 3d ago
There were hundreds of more kingdoms at that time. Why don’t we care about the others but only one?
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u/RebelSpoon 3d ago
Because op was factually incorrect. I'm not saying there aren't others either and Israel didn't exist for a while, but he's objectively wrong.
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u/heroes-never-die99 3d ago
Absolutely not, OP was obviously referring to the modern-day state of Israel rather than 10th century Israel.
You are genuinely being facetious.
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u/RebelSpoon 3d ago
I'm not sure you understand what facetious means and I don't think that was implied at all.
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u/mare_xcx 4d ago
There is a palestine flag at psg's games no?
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u/Pleasant_Assistant30 4d ago
Well, I’m a PSG fan and yes our Ultras and fan base as well is very Pro-Palestine, we even made Tifo and banners during our UCL final at Allianz.
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u/ShockFabulous7421 4d ago
Should move from calling it pro-Palestine to anti-genocide.
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u/Victorious85 Barcelona 3d ago
this is the key really... because if you start banning people for Anti-genocide statements you're basically admitting you support genocide. Its a lot more black and white than banning people for pro palestine statements.
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u/TurbulentBullfrog829 1d ago
But then they'd have to protest against other genocides and they don't know or care about them
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u/standarsh1965 4d ago
If they did it in England or Germany they'd punish the team. Plenty of fascists running those leagues
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u/pinecoconuts 4d ago
In England, yes. You can't show any banners of any kind or hold any flag, even if it was for your team yet alone anything political. It's the most sanitised and corporate of all the leagues in Europe.
In Germany it's not that the league would punish anyone or that it's not allowed, every week there's dozens of clubs with major choreos and political actions both left and right wing. It's just none of the political clubs' ultras are as openly or as widely pro-Palestine as some others are and therefore don't have large scale tifos or protests on this issue. The statement St. Pauli made earlier this year was very well done and represents where most of German football fans are at the moment.
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u/ATuaMaeJaEstavaUsada 4d ago
What was the statement St Pauli made?
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u/pinecoconuts 4d ago edited 4d ago
FC St. Pauli is a nondenominational, nonpartisan club with around 50,000 members. We have many members and fans who consider themselves leftwing and progressive. The club is diverse and inclusive and takes a clear stance against anyone who attacks this diversity.
We share common convictions, but given the diversity in and around FC St. Pauli, we also have differing opinions and perspectives. Our main aim is therefore to promote mutual understanding and personal dialogue. For us, it is not about finding the most strident words or positions or deepening rifts, but rather about offering spaces where people can come together.
This especially applies to the conflict in the Middle East, a conflict with a long history that is complicated and contradictory and has been emotionally and politically charged for decades. It is also a conflict that is used as a proxy for pursuing political agendas. In the process, those affected in the region itself are often reduced to the margins.
While FC St. Pauli is a football club with political interests, it is not a political party. As a club, we cannot take a stance on the regrettably numerous crises in the world; we do, however, comment on events and developments with a connection to the club. We therefore expressed our condolences shortly after 7 October 2023, since many fans and members of Hapoel Tel Aviv were among those murdered in the massacre in southern Israel. Hapoel had visited us at the Millerntor a few months earlier; Ultra Hapoel (UH) and Ultra St. Pauli (USP) have nurtured a friendship for many years.
It was therefore perfectly clear to us, and a sign of humanity, that we should send condolences to our friends. We also emphasised our concern about a further escalation and our hopes for a more peaceful future for everyone - be it in Israel or Palestine.
We have repeatedly appealed for donations for people in the Gaza Strip.[2] In view of the catastrophic humanitarian situation there, we repeat our appeal here and encourage people once again to support the work of WarChild. For us, concrete appeals for humanitarian aid appear more important and effective than fuelling further polarisation on social media with abbreviated representations or strident language.
As an anti-fascist and progressive club, it is absolutely clear that FC St. Pauli does not stand alongside radical anti-Semitic, fundamentalist terrorist organisations such as Hamas or its allied groups. Yet neither, of course, do we side with extreme rightwing and racist governments such as Benjamin Netanyahu's or other politicians with similar policies.
Our place is by the side of all those affected by terrorism, war and oppression. We declare our solidarity with leftwing demonstrators in Israel who are demanding an end to the war so that the hostages who are still in the Gaza Strip can finally be released. We stand with the brave people who are taking to the streets in the Gaza Strip for democracy, freedom and an end to the occupation. We wish to support the civilians who are threatened by the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip and have lost many people. We believe it is perfectly legitimate for Israel to want to free the hostages, but at the same time we are appalled by the high death toll in the Gaza Strip and the absolutely catastrophic humanitarian situation there.
We note with great concern the extent to which many progressive and leftwing groups are divided on this issue and the intransigent way in which positions and perspectives collide with no respect for different standpoints. We also stand behind leftwing cultural centres and clubs who are being attacked as alleged warmongers. We reject insinuations that FC St. Pauli has championed wars or extreme rightwing forces. And we are appalled by assaults on Jewish people in Germany and other countries in which they are insulted, threatened and attacked. We also oppose anti-Muslim racism, which has no place in our club. FC St. Pauli has Christian, Jewish and Muslim employees, members and fans - they all belong here equally.
We call on everyone to treat one another with respect, to remember what we have in common, to respect our differences and to refrain from overemphasising them. We stand for anti-fascism, diversity and humanitarian values. This humanity is not linked to nationality, gender or religion, it is indivisible and applies to everyone.
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u/ATuaMaeJaEstavaUsada 4d ago
That's a great statement. They make it clear that they are solidary with the Palestinians, condemn what Israel is doing in Gaza, and are against Netanyahu, while also condemning Hamas and not being against the Israeli people in general
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u/pinecoconuts 4d ago
I have very little to disagree with this statement. It's my go to when people ask me where I stand on the issue.
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u/pumpkinspeedwagon86 Athletic Club 4d ago
This is just a wonderful statement all around. I am not a St Pauli fan (Fortuna Düsseldorf is my German club) but they've perfectly encapsulated a third and, in my opinion, most "morally correct" side of this conflict.
Anyone who pretends that you can only either be pro Israel or pro Palestine is committing bifurcation fallacy, it is so much more complex. A reminder to separate governments from people.
Would recommend this video for very similar if not an identical sentiment from a Palestinian and an Israeli who have both lost loved ones to the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juLRi90kRg
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u/iriririr93939393 3d ago
A supermajority of Israelis agree with their government. They are the same.
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u/ichionio 4d ago
And yet they did solidarities for Ukraine and Zinchenko.
However, a year before that, Pogba and Amad got flamed for bringing a Palestinian flag
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most of the political left in germany is pro Israel
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u/pinecoconuts 4d ago
It's not 2023 anymore and issues are dynamic. I attend a lot of Babelsberg games, a very left club with deep connections to Bremen, St. Pauli and even Jena and Bayern, some of the leading left clubs in Germany. And I can tell you from actual personal experience, that almost the whole scene is no longer supporting Israel and has very clearly split being against the government of Israel from antisemitism as the war stopped being about the hostages and turned into a covered genocide and invasion.
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ya but it seems like the line of this type of discourse is even obvious in your comment. the problem as defined by the german left is netanyahu's government, not Israel itself. Israel is the problem and it always has been.
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u/ATuaMaeJaEstavaUsada 4d ago
The problem is Israel's government and their policies, not the average Israeli person who has no decision power. If they vote for Netanyahu in the elections next year then I change my mind and I blame the Israeli people and not just the people in power
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so what about before netanyahu came into power? what about the nakba? also, look up youtube videos of the average israeli's opinion on what should happen to palestinians. they are bloodthirsty because they have been completely brainwashed.
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u/pinecoconuts 4d ago
Like most people on the planet, I believe the State of Israel is a legitimate state and has the right to exist and continue to exist. I wish the same for a future State of Palestine that is recognised by all nations including Israel. I think neither group of people should be violently removed from their respective homelands. The details of where the borders should be down to the kilometer is beyond me and not my place to argue, but the right to call the Levant home is an ancient issue that goes beyond 2023 or 1973 or 1967 or 1948 even.
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no one is talking about state "legitimacy". this is colonialism, not some ancient war. palestinian jews got along fine in the ottoman empire along with palestinian christians and muslims before european ashkenazis decided to colonize the region.
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u/ColdFeetCrowderr 4d ago
You give up the game by calling it an ancient problem. It’s not. Unknowingly you are furthering Zionist propaganda, implying that they have some religious right to be there. When as the other responder to your comment explains, the issue is in fact simply a matter of colonialism, which in this case did in fact start in 1948. They did not have a right to kill and expel the Palestinians living there, and that killing and expulsion has continued without stop till today. So the Israeli state has always been an unacceptable colonialist project. It’s existence without integration of Palestinians can only mean continued colonialism.
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u/sheffield199 Celta 4d ago
They're not fascist, in England they're just corporatised to the nth degree, and in Germany, naturally due to their history, the dialogue is a bit different to elsewhere in the world.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
It’s Reddit- everyone who disagrees with us is a fascist!
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u/ColdFeetCrowderr 4d ago
So taking action against people freely expressing their condemnation of a genocide which their country is implicated in isn’t fascism because people on Reddit are pointing it out. Thank you for letting us know
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u/sheffield199 Celta 4d ago
It isn't fascism. Authoritarian and cowardly certainly, but calling it fascism just weakens the word.
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u/Khayonic Atletico Madrid 4d ago
A private football league instituting a universally-applicable policy against club-endorsed political speech is not fascism.
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u/Life_Activity_8195 4d ago
Yeah because the people running La Liga are the progressives in the world 😅😅😅
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u/standarsh1965 4d ago
No, the Spanish people are and them and their government have more of a spine than the British and German governments
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u/Psychological_Mix671 2d ago
La misma gente que abuchea el himno de España y además se alegran del terrorismo etarra, van en la misma onda.
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u/PasUneFemme 2d ago
I think it's more a matter of having fans and clubs interested in the gesture than leagues banning it.
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u/ruben_fr_cordeiro Real Madrid 1d ago
Freedom of speech. The more you try to silence it, the stronger the messages will come back.
It's all about self-expression within the boundaries of civilized attitudes and respect.
Some people see the Barcelona vs Madrid rivalry as Spanish centralism vs Catalan independence for example. Is it sometimes silly? Yes, but you won't get far by silencing it, you have to work on the underlying issues (they do exist), because what you see in the stadiums is a symptom of a societal issue.
Instead of saying: football shouldn't be about politics, ask yourself: why is this being brought up in a stadium? You would get better answers and actions.
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u/Rough-Session2317 4d ago
I went to see Sevilla-Barca in Seville in May 2024 and the Palestine activism was unmissable. As a black man, there are lots of issues I have with Spain and Spanish football; however, being on the right side of history wrt to this was never one of them.
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u/Background-Machine46 4d ago
If they tried this in the Prem, Starmer would personally tear your heart out of your chest and eat it live on the BBC
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u/bordalash 4d ago
Wait, are those who had eta and they cheer a terrorist last season in the pitch? And also who didnt respect a silence for people killed by that terrorist group? Well, that says everything.
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u/sheffield199 Celta 4d ago
Says that they are consistent in showing support for groups trying to free their people from oppression by a larger state?
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u/CesarMdezMnz 4d ago edited 4d ago
Is the oppression of the Basque people in the room with us?
It’s insulting to Palestinians to claim that Basques face a similar level of oppression when they are free to fully enjoy their culture and and live in one of the regions with the highest quality of life in the world.
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u/sheffield199 Celta 4d ago
While obviously the Palestinians' situation is a whole different level of awful, the Basques did face terrible oppression under Franco, including mass murders of his political opponents and wholesale repression of their culture, which they very much were not free to fully enjoy.
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u/CesarMdezMnz 4d ago
"Basques did face terrible oppression under Franco"
As usual, it is easy to use the Franco's card to excuse Athletic' fans when talking about ETA
1) Everyone in Spain faced terrible oppression under Franco, not only Basques
2) Franco died 50 years ago. We are in 2025 and Basques are no longer oppressed
3) San Mames never respected silence when ETA killed. Even when the killing happened in the 2000s and to modest local members of the Socialist Party (certainly, not an oppressor anymore).
You can agree with this, which is true as well.
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u/sheffield199 Celta 4d ago
Of course you talk about Franco when you talk about oppression, he was the oppressor, it would be like talking about Palestine without talking about Israel.
And sure everyone was oppressed under Franco, but there was an extra cultural level of oppression in places like the Basque Country, Catalunya and Galicia that simply didn't exist in places like Madrid.
50 years isn't that long, you still see Rodri leading chants about Gibraltar and that's been British for more than 300 years :)
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u/CesarMdezMnz 3d ago
It reads as if you aren’t from Spain.
Galicia? Not really, not at least compared to the rest of Spain. Galicia has historically been a rural and conservative region, and Franco himself was Galician. While oppression certainly existed there (as it did across the whole country), there wasn’t any strong, organised opposition movement apart from the Maquis in the post-war period.
The real opposition to Franco came from other places like Asturias, Andalucía, Valencia and even Madrid, mainly led by anarchists, communists, students and miners. The Basques and Catalans certainly became more active in the later years (the 1970s), but long before that, there was sustained resistance from many parts of the country.
Opposition to Francoism – Wikipedia
Let’s not feed modern narratives with alternative history lines. Many people died and were repressed under Franco across all of Spain, not just nationalist movements from the Basque Country and Catalonia.
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u/sheffield199 Celta 3d ago edited 3d ago
I've lived here for more than a decade, and being from Spain is no indicator of knowledge of the dictatorship, given how many Spaniards to this day venerate Franco...
Culturally, Galicia was as repressed as anywhere else - repression of all political opponents, who had the choice of fleeing or dying, with the added removal of the language and expressions of national identity, the same as in Catalunya and the Basque Country. Level of opposition has nothing to do with that.
Franco was Galician but that certainly didn't gain Galicia anything.
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u/iriririr93939393 3d ago
Ireland isn't currently being repressed by England therefore they should not care about other people being repressed right?
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u/CesarMdezMnz 3d ago
Please, reread the comments. Neither I nor the other user said, “they should not care about other people being repressed.”
The problem with Athletic fans is that, even in 2025, many would still boo during a moment of silence for someone killed by ETA, even if the killing might have happened in the 2000s and the victim was a local Socialist Party politician, long after Franco was gone.
So yes, it’s great to stage a creative performance in support of a foreign cause, but there’s still a deep reluctance to stay silent for just one minute in memory of people cold murdered by your own, SIMPLY because they had a different vision to yours of what the Basque Country should be.
And for someone who supports Palestine, it’s sickening to see some people in the Basque Country try to place their “cause” alongside Palestine’s in order to portray themselves as equally oppressed.
At the end of the day, we all carry our own baggage, but some of us understand the importance of coming to terms with ourselves and our past before virtue signalling to others.
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u/Zealousideal-Dog6063 4d ago
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u/RalphDaGod 4d ago
Barcelona and Tel Aviv are sister cities, close but big difference
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u/501Invalid 4d ago
They’ve actually cut them off. Relationship gone from what I remember reading
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u/Spawn8888 4d ago
Virtue signalling.
The dumb fuck fans should probably stop being racist piece if shites first rather than getting involved in bigger things.
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u/drimziata 4d ago
Yeah. And when terrorist ETA killed people, no silence minute.
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u/No_Stranger3366 4d ago
Zionist Killed civilian dude...
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u/drimziata 4d ago
So when ETA killed babies with their bombs, was ok?
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u/Fromage_Frey 4d ago
And if the Spanish government had responded by blowing up an apartment block in the full of people because they thought ab ETA member MIGHT be inside would that have been OK? When aid was being distributed to the survivors and the military targeted the people gathering, would that have been OK? When journalists arrived to cover this atrocity and government snipers began assassinating them, would that have been OK? If Spain had reacted to those attacks shelling Bilbao to rubble, would that have been OK?
Now, obviously, Spain didn't do any of that. Because it's a civilised country
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u/sheffield199 Celta 5d ago
How would any league stop fans holding a minute's silence?
But yeah, Spain generally is quite pro-Palestine, so the league as far as I'm aware hasn't taken any move to ban Palestine flags.