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News Lib Dem Suspended over Pro-Trans Tweet

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u/stewcelliott Social Liberal 4d ago

Bird's views are repellent but it's pretty easy to see how that tweet is not appropriate. Frankly it's probably the inclusion of the gun that made this a suspending matter.

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u/CarMeltScratch 4d ago

In what way repellant? As far as I can tell, Natalie Bird believes humans can't change sex, a view that isn't controversial among the electorate, and is scientific fact.

She has been targeted, vilified and harassed and the party has had to compensate her. Plus and ALDC, together with the weird, legally illiterate 'definition of transphobia' have done the Lib Dems a lot of damage with the public. This is another stupid, unnecessary blemish on our - hardly stellar - record.

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u/TangoJavaTJ No votes for transphobes! 🏳️‍⚧️ 4d ago

It's interesting how the people spreading this "scientific fact" are usually scientifically illiterate, and how actual scientists reject it outright.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

What’s not scientifically factual?

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u/TangoJavaTJ No votes for transphobes! 🏳️‍⚧️ 4d ago

The view that sex is perfectly binary and non-changing. This is objectively false.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Ill preface this with me asking questions largely out of unintentional ignorance.

Is there an example of a person changing sex, genetically, hormonally and physically without outside intervention?

Whilst I do understand there are foetal development issues that can cause genetic defects causing persons who could be defined as "inter-sexed" (if thats the correct term).

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u/TangoJavaTJ No votes for transphobes! 🏳️‍⚧️ 4d ago

Is there an example of a person changing sex, genetically, hormonally and physically without outside intervention?

Yes. Individuals with 5-alpha-reductase deficiency (5-ARD) are born as typical females but at puberty begin developing XY chromosomes and prototypically male characteristics.

And yes, "intersex" is the correct term for anyone born outside of the male-female bimodal clusters.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

I dont believe thats the strongest of cases as it's a very rare genetic condition....with a higher chance of this occurring during interbreeding or populations with close genetic similarities.

Those born with XY chromosomes do have male reproductive parts. Testes etc, however are un-developed due to the condition.

This is not an example of a person changing sex, genetically, hormonally or physically.

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u/TangoJavaTJ No votes for transphobes! 🏳️‍⚧️ 4d ago

Thanks for making my point that the people spreading "basic biology" don't understand basic biology.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Pot kettle colour check......

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u/sprouting_broccoli 4d ago

So when you said you were asking questions out of unintentional ignorance that wasn’t quite true was it.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

There is a lot of unintentional ignorance on my part on my subjects. I try to see any thing from both perspectives and try to be devils advocate best I can. Any idea or position deserves to be challenged.

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