r/LibDem • u/[deleted] • 4d ago

News Lib Dem Suspended over Pro-Trans Tweet

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

You mean if our views align with the consensus view of the west for like the last 2000 years until recently? That's far-right now? Crikey.

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

Not sure I understand your point, for the last 2000+ years misogyny and treating women like 2nd class citizens was the consensus, now it's generally a far-right view.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

misogyny has overwhelming opposition. This issue is much more split. We can't say almost half the country are transphobic or far-right.

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

Why not? We also don't know it's that high.

From what I've seen most of the Terf marches have pretty low attendance for instance.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Well it's certainly a significant number on many different trans-related topics.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

Okay, but that leads me back to: Why not?

How well is uncritically grovelling to bigots working out for Starmer?

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Why shouldn't we call a significant number of the voters far-right or transphobic?

Well, for starters, it puts off voters which is not a way to win anybody over. So we could start there.

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

You wouldn't win over bigots anyway. You think Starmer being crueller towards immigrants has won him much Reform support?

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Well I'd say trying to win over millions of voters would be an aim of the liberal democrats. Attacking them with hostile labels isn't going to do that.

To answer your question: no I don't think it has won Labour much support. But that's not what I'm saying. We're talking about the labels themselves here. Surely it would be mad to start calling half the country far-right because that limits the lib dems.

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

What you're suggesting would attract nobody to the Lib Dems, and lose them support from the LGBT community and people sympathetic towards them. Jesus how have you not noticed that from how pathetic Labour has been acting? Nobody will respect a party that'll stab their principles in the back to grovel for votes.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

What I'm suggesting is to not use hostile labels on half the country. That's it. I'm not suggesting anything else.

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u/Mr_Rinn 4d ago

We should stand by and let people harass minorities?

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

No. But we also shouldn't use hostile labels on the half the country.

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