I don't think mass murder was what was being discussed. It's political violence, and all of history is stained in the blood of politicians, kings, etc being killed by the masses or assassinated. In America alone there has been an average of one assassination every 50 years since 1865, and Trump was a near miss that would have been right around on time for that metric.
Yeah this is a problem that will never really go away. As you say we’ve had people assassinating leaders since we’ve had them.
Just part of being human. Some people are gonna use violence to get their way. In fact our whole society is based off this already, we just give governments a monopoly on it to keep everyone in line.
Or about the Aztec mass murders (sacrifice) or the warring native American tribes, or viking conquests, or Muslim conquests. Literally, all through history, it's just people killing other people.
Because the natives weren’t also committing murder against eachother and innocent women and children they killed in their raids against white settlements
People were just walking up and shooting presidents back in the era where you had to be 20 feet from them to shoot them. (This was James Garfield, by the way, even after Lincoln was killed)
Back in medieval times they would invite you and your clan to dinner, then lock you inside the dinner hall and hack you to bits with axes and spears. I.E The Abbasid Revolution in 750 CE.
Yea except in America you can go a couple miles buy a gun without a problem and in most states you can carry that gun without a permit. I can’t think of an easier way to kill someone than using a gun.
Thats true but you shouldnt do that. I dont want to kill people in general honestly, i dont know about other people tho maybe they would kill me if they dont like me or maybe they could just kill me out of boredome. Would you like to get shot or stabbed? they do that near the place where i live pretty often, just askin 👍
Exactly. The only thing for these people is, they only found out about this now because it's in their news cycle and forcibly brought to their attention, but it has been a thing since humans have existed.
Charles Sumner was almost killed in 1856 on the US Senate Floor by Representative Preston Brooks for the fact Sumner criticized another senator who was a relative of Brooks. With another representative brandishing a cane and a pistol to make sure no one would help the senator who was being struck at with a gutta-percha cane.
And acting like this is some revolutionary take. The left has literally been pushing for stricter gun control. They’re not trying to confiscate every single gun. They’re so close to getting it, it’s painful. All it took was for one of their cult leaders to get got instead of children
These D students think they've got the world figured out better than everyone else because they've made a little money. Los is one of the most unintelligent people in streaming.
Hell people have been gunned down for disagreements over property. Like I said on another thread it shouldn’t have happened because it will create copycats but this is like the surprise pikachu meme. Kirk helped create the atmosphere for this is to happen
Probably because the assassination was caught on video in all its horrible details. I feel like its way more visceral to see that shit happen in real time at least in terms of shock value if thats the right word to say
It is a much more impactful thing to be assassinated in public with hundreds of phone recordings of the event. If this was Hasan or Charlie Kirk, this would be global News regardless. Stop trying to do mental backflips bud.
Its not. The literal president of the united states didn't give af that those 2 people were killed, even openly at first said he wasn't going to call the governor. But he wants to invoke a half staff flag for fucking Charlie Kirk, a non elected official because?
Go back to posting about how you are an "artist" for typing in a prompt. Lmfao.
Because nobody knew the MN politicians and everyone knows Kirk? Kirk is well known even outside of the US. MN politicians were barely known in their own state.
Anyone else find it interesting how all the "different opinion" and "he disagreed with you" mfs won't actually quote or mention what Charlie Kirk's views were?
I just remember the times Kirk use to say about stuff like Zimmerman, about the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Dude said Trayvon Martin hunted Zimmerman down at night, when the 911 voice call literally has them asking George to not to chase the kid down.
Tragedy for Kirk’s family, but man this dude was a something else.
Idk. But he was murdered and Charlie said that the person responsible should be pardoned. That’s enough for me to not care that a defender of gun violence became another victim of an “unfortunate but necessary” statistic
Addiction is a disease that afflicts people young and old, as well as rich and poor. Just because he had drugs in his system does not justify the level of violence enacted upon him by law enforcement.
Because I don't agree with his views, yet I can believe that in a democratic nation people should be free to express their opinions and debate topics without a fear of getting killed. I don't need to adopt his unhinged positions on abortion (like rape victims should birth the child) to say that political violence is bad and people who celebrate it are bad people. His opinions are literally irrelevant to the position.
I mean he literally argued himself that it’s okay for some people to die to gun violence every year in exchange for retaining guns. He literally justified his own death and told everyone it’s okay.
Theres no amount of gun control in existence (outside a military led invasion of peoples homes to forcibly remove every gun in the country) that would have stopped this from happening. This wasn’t a random shooting, it was a personal targeted assassination for a political purpose. Charlie was talking about gun violence in that clip which is a separate issue here. If he had died in a mass shooting like the ones we’ve seen before then the irony would have tracked.
In our magical world where all guns are vanished, someone would have eventually murdered him a different way, and that ideology that someone needs to be killed for disagreeing with you is the actual problem in this instance.
How did the shooter obtain his weapon? Legally, right?
That’s how most spectacle shooters get their guns.
Most people do not have access to a black market of guns. Most people wouldn’t even know where to begin to look. And even if they did, prices would be heavily inflated and they’d probably get something shitty.
It may not be justified, but it is certainly retribution for the harm he has caused. His pro 2A rhetoric continues to allow schoolchildren to be shot, just like in Colorado the same day. The bussing of people to DC for J6 had a part to play in the deaths of multiple officers. His support and affiliation with people like Chaya Raichik and Michael Knowles directly contributes to violence and harm against trans people and minorities.
Well congrats he's been martyred. Now instead of debating teenagers and making a shitty podcast his ideas are going to be broadcast far further with far more weight behind him.
Also you're talking like he has single handedly done these things. He's popular because enough people agree with his ideas. His "pro 2A rhetoric" is just the standard conservative (and maybe some rural democrat) opinion. That's not going to just go away now - it's going to get worse.
His 2A rhetoric isn’t standard conservative, it’s not even Reaganist. Additionally he doesn’t ‘just’ debate teenagers. He fundraises, organizes, and supports groups. He was directly involved in J6, he supported financially the attacker of Paul Pelosi, and he refused to acknowledge or condemn the actions of the killer of Melissa Hortman. He is the largest right-wing influencer and has huge sway, his organization was literally hired by the Trump campaign to handle GOTV efforts and campaigning. He’s not separated from any of it, he’s directly involved.
It already was worse when Melissa Hortman died, this is just the effect of the can of worms being opened then.
Now instead of debating teenagers and making a shitty podcast his ideas are going to be broadcast far further with far more weight behind him.
People will forget about this in 2-3 weeks and maybe remember him once a year after. You vastly overestimate how long anything stays in the collective conscious now.
You people keep saying this but it literally doesn't matter. Trump supporters are already ride and die for him, he could come out and shoot a democrat point blank and they would cheer for him.
It doesn't matter, they are fully indoctrinated already.
It doesn't matter what he said or what his opinions were, none of that justifies what happened. This comment is pointless. You aren't an intellectual, you are just parroting what literally every other person is saying about this situation who didn't like him.
>It doesn't matter what he said or what his opinions were, none of that justifies what happened
didn't say it did pal, just noticing the interesting trend of cons who refer to the bigotry, racism and general hate spewing from Kirk and his ilk as "different opinions" so they don't have to have the uncomfortable talk about why someone could possibly do such a thing
not that they have a shred of self awareness or reflection anyway considering how much they don't care about melissa hortman, jan 6th or kids getting shot up on the regular
Yeah for sure man weekly school shooting happen everywhere it's definitely not an American problem. You guys have tried nothing and haven't been able to fix it! Gotta just tank a couple hundred dead children.
I love guns, but I don't shit my pants when people talk about gun control. Just the very fact that these guys are mad leads me to believe that if stricter gun control was enforced, they wouldn't be able to own a gun due to history of mental health issues.
Republicans read or hear gun control and they immediately think that the second amendment is going to be repealed and guns are going to be banned and cops are going to break into their house and confiscate their guns. Its completely unreal
Everyone has guns. Way easier that way. Harder with a knife but it does still happen fairly often with knives in europe. Way less dead people though. Guns is when shit gets real. Like in sweden a guy with a gun killed 11 or 12 people in an adult college recently. Couldn't do that with a knife or you would be overpowered.
I bet it's also way harder to kill someone with a knife, I mean the actual act of doing it. Seems easier to pull a trigger than sticking a knife into someone.
Yup. It's also far easier to fight back against someone with a knife than a gun top it off. Its why large parts of the world are still safer. As a lunatic with a knife is likely gonna have a smaller kill count than some lunatic with a gun.
that's been USA since it began. Also when the US decides how a foreign country should sell them oil at a cheaper price and if they disagree... suddenly that country is at war, or has a revolution funded by outside. Like the reason american people act violent and like might equals right, is that's exactly how the US has behaved across the planet for the last 80 years.
Well guys, I’m not from the us so I will speak on my ignorance, but here in Europe we agree on that idea. Of course, this could happen anywhere, but we’re speaking about a global power like the US which is a first world country. The amount of atrocities that are committed there daily is massive, and I get that everyone needs to defend their own nation, but we need to be critical.
Do you think America is the only country that lets people own guns? Even countries with almost no gun violence like Japan will let you buy a hunting rifle. That's only after rigorous training, testing, background checks, inspections, etc. but still. Based on this article it looks like a vast majority of countries have some kind of path to gun ownership with varying degrees of restrictions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
I mean exactly...there isnt a country in this world where gun are banned. the only difference between europe and america is that in europe to own a gun ,they make thorough background checks,mental and physical checks etc...thats a very important difference tho
Wow what an interesting take from Los. I guess all of recorded human history doesn’t mention once where people will kill each other over disagreements.
That's been true since the dawn of time. Especially for gay people, Trans people, and poc, but these idiots only think it's bad when the straight white guy that called for the deaths of others dies.
It's the typical "This is senseless violence" opinions when someone on their side gets killed by one of their sacred toys. Which is more impossible: Gun control or hoping people don't kill each other with them? Talk about dodging reality.
Nah, in the USA you can kill anyone at any time. You kinda can do that anywhere, not only in the USA, but in the USA its just easier cause u can buy a gun. That simple.
"im not the type of guy who wants a bunch of guns and im also not the guy who says take everyone guns but something has to happen." Okay then whats the plan? lol
This country was founded on killing people we don't agree with. Why does everyone want to think they live in such a horrible time? ONE guy died! It's not like a school full of elementary kids got gunned down or anything.
Reddit needs to be investigated and shutdown. The amount of terrorist breeding in comments in reddit right now is INSANE. The left has come full circle. The Liberals are the new terrorists.
Do what I do. Anytime I see someone doing that stuff I skip the mods, I skip the admins, I go straight to the FBI tips form and make a quick submission.
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