In the early days they weren't beholden to reebok and could take independent ad deals and corporate sponsorships. The money ceiling was way higher back then.
also incredibly popular in japan in general. I remember my uncle coming home with a fat stack of pride and boxing bootlegs to watch during the summers in mexico lol
He literally headlined some of the biggest PPV events of the era with a grandfathered contract that gave him a large portion of PPV buys
There was a time where he was making over 4 million a PPV, most notable 7 million for his main event vs Chuck
Dana doesn't pay his fighters but the fact that he was forced to oblige by Rampage's bought in contract when UFC absorbed his promotion is what caused a feud between them
I'd have thought his american vet status would've outweighed the reputation and money of a retired MMA fighter. Especially in this political climate. But I guess there's not enough pressure...? Where are all the patriots now?
I am Australian, I find it odd how he isn't being arrested. But yanks on Reddit tell me that in the USA even if you commit a violent crime the police can't arrest you and have to take months to build a case against you etc, personally that sounds like more Reddit BSers to me, I think they just don't want to arrest him for some reason, not that they physically can't arrest him.
He has said himself that his son should face the repercussions of what he did. Rampage has never condoned or said his son shouldnt have any consequences.
“He gleefully helped foment hatred, bigotry, fascism, and violence on a national scale.” Lmfao, you couldn’t even name a single one of his talking points if you truly believe this. Which you don’t. You just regurgitate the same bullshit that the mindless drones on the left do.
You just regurgitate the same bullshit that the mindless drones on the left do.
Are you a bot? This shit doesn't even make sense. What do you mean the same shit "that the drones on the left do." I AM on the left, happily.
Lmfao, you couldn’t even name a single one of his talking points if you truly believe this. Which you don’t.
I've been politically active for over a decade, what in the world makes you think I'm not intimately aware of all the disgusting shit Charlie Kirk and people like him spread, or don't believe what I said?
Dude he wanted America to be a Christian nation and believed the civil rights act was a mistake. He would go to campuses and tell women they should be focusing on having kids instead of going to school.
When your “opinion” is racist, misogynistic, or forces Christianity on non-Christian’s, people are going to inevitably hate you.
Characterize it as you want. Truth is that this sets a dangerous precedent for political discourse in the country. Don't forget that there are a lot of divisive commentators on the left as well. There will be lunatics that use this assassination as motivation for retaliatory actions.
Truth is that this sets a dangerous precedent for political discourse in the country.
No, what set a dangerous precedent is electing a fascist president who has happily encouraged political violence since basically the day he started campaigning for office. What set a precedent was not punishing that fascist president when he tried to violently overthrow the government after being legitimately beaten in an election. What set a dangerous precedent was assassinating democratic politicians in their home.
Violent political precedent has been set in the united states for years. It was never set by democrats. It was set by people like Charlie Kirk.
The country is already there. Precedence has already been set. A democrat legislator was killed in her home in July.
Stop acting like we are nearing the tipping point. The US is already long past that.
Wow a few radical leftist commentators might spin this unproductively? What about the MAGA & Trump who are consistently supporting the violence and destroying democracy week by week?
You're right. The whole political landscape is cooked in the US. I guess I'm just a bit taken aback by people celebrating a murder like this was a good thing. This is just one step closer to chaos. Seems like things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
hatred, bigotry, fascism, and violence on a national scale.
OH NOT BIGOTRY. HATRED AND FACISM
Only redditors and terminally online people go on about bigotry the way you do. For example, he didnt agree with a lot of trans stuff but he fine with them living their daily life if they are 18+
There's hatred on both sides now, politics has always been filled with it but his videos didnt seem that hateful. Just talking.
It's not facism, he was always talking about how he wants people to vote in democratic elections, in other words, not a facist.
You guys always seem to equate words to violence when they arent. People are allowed to discuss whatever they want, including trans rights etc, just because it offends you, doesnt make your buzzwords true.
Hilarious bringing up violence when you were probably is support of blm riots a few years back.
In other words, his opinions were ones you didn't like, so it's important to bring them up every time we talk about him being *murdered* because you think it's important to remind people that he said things you didn't like.
Honestly I’m still yet to hear what his crazy opinions are seem like pretty normal conservative opinions. I guess those are horrible evil opinions according to people on Reddit but in reality pretty normal
top unhinged ones would probably be that children should watch public executions, his daughter if raped will carry the baby and that deaths to gun violence are an acceptable toll.
Stoning gay people, making his daughter carry her rapists baby, telling his viewers they should bail out the attempted murderer of a US congresswoman and her husband are a handful off the top.
Kirk promoted a book written by his cohost called "Unhumans", which argues for the mass murder of liberals and that democracy doesn't work.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you though that he mostly had bog standard conservative opinions, given that the book was also endorsed by the current sitting Vice President.
Kirk was a propagandist who stoked hate and spread misinformation. I am not saying he deserved to die, but it's outright wrong to say what he was doing wasn't categorically different from 'just having an opinion like your or me'.
I don't have to use my imagination to remember the last 10+ years of political violence justified, joked about, and swept under the rug by people on the right.
Now it's time for them to "view it from someone in the opposite side of the spectrum".
There is a difference between someone advocating for improving the lives of others, and a difference of opinion on that, and someone saying we should stone gays.
Yes. They are both 'expressing opinions'. One is evil, the other is not. If you need your hand held to parse this apart I don't know what to tell you.
Do you think Kirk was purposefully attempting to ruin lives, do you think Kirk's followers thought he was ruining lives?
Not only do these people KNOW they're ruining lives, they're practically gleeful about it. Kirk cheered on mass deportations/incarcerations without due process, called bailing out Paul Pelosi's bludgeoner a patriotic act, and (hilariously) stated that shooting deaths were a necessary sacrifice to protect 2A rights.
The right views abortions as killing babies, is that not evil?
What is this line of argumentation supposed to prove exactly? The right-wing is constantly downplaying/encouraging/excusing violence against liberals on the grounds that they are "evil". Liberals will leap at the opportunity to disavow political violence, MAGA never does
Do you think Kirk was purposefully attempting to ruin lives
Yes
do you think Kirk's followers thought he was ruining lives
Yes
is killing babies also evil
Fetuses aren't babies.
Has he ever called for the stoning of gays
Yes. From Wikipedia: "In 2024, while criticizing YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting Leviticus 19:18 ("Love your neighbor as yourself"), Kirk responded by citing Leviticus 20:13 ("If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them"), as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters."
You don't have to make up some hypothetical, Mike Lee was making jokes about Minnesota rep Melissa Hortman getting assassinated on Twitter within a day. The right did not care.
When Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home with a hammer, Charlie Kirk got on Twitter and asked "some hero" to go bail the attacker out.
I guess political violence is only a problem when it's a podcaster you like huh?
I wonder why u/pissshiverss didn't wanna acknowledge this before deleting their comments🙄 I guess political violence is only a problem when it's your favorite podcaster getting hurt
It wasn’t worth the Reddit cares blowing my shit up because people can’t talk lol.
I hate Charlie Kirk but I did watch all of his debate videos I think it’s important to learn about the other sides opinions instead of demonizing them. I am center left, but continue locking people into corners when they disagree with the mass opinion on someone lol
People sure love to talk about how he was shot for his opinions, but not that he was shot as a victim of the normalized gun violence culture he helped perpetuate.
Tbh i only see here an unfortunate accident, Charlie Kirk believed such deaths like this were expected, so the rest of the Americans would keep their god given rights, sacrifices for the greater good.
Unless he wasn't expected to be one of those unfortunate accidents, wich would make him a horrible hypocrite, i'm sure he's actually in peace with such an ending to his life.
I think it's very obviously bad and shouldn't have happened. It's just impossible not to think about how the victim is someone who planted his feet pretty firmly in general opposition of gun control, said things ranging from divisive to straight up inflammatory about gun violence and its victims, while scapegoating the mental health problem the country very much has, onto specific groups of people. You do all that, you very much make the status quo where shootings are just a normal thing that happens.
"I think empathy is a made -up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.", if only i could remember who said this... I might have another quote about shooting deaths too but I can't be fucked right now
We're all talking about this cuz it was streamed, what about the recent senator attacks and whatnot on the other side though?
So let’s get this straight. You think Charlie Kirk “believed” deaths like his were expected and acceptable? That’s complete bullshit. He spent his entire career fighting for free speech, stronger borders, and protecting American values, not advocating for people to be murdered.
You’re twisting his words to justify violence, and that makes you the hypocrite. He never said political opponents should be killed. What he did say was that freedom comes with risk, but that is not the same as saying his own murder is “for the greater good.”
Stop pretending like you know what he would “be at peace with.” He didn’t die to make you feel righteous. He was silenced by violence, and the fact that you’re celebrating it only proves how deranged and dangerous your side has become.
Well, he did say some deaths every year were expected for the greater good, these are not my words, these are his.
He expected some mass shootings and gun violence and "accepted" them as part of nature, since they are worth it enough so the whole population can keep their guns and protect their other rights, that was his belief.
As such, he himself had to be alright with this, he became an unfortunate accident, like the ones he preached about, an expected collateral casualty, he didn't want to die of course because no one does, but destiny chose him, and he became an unfortunate accident for the greater good so Americans can keep their guns and protect their other god given rights.
..Unless you think he believed others should die for him, but that's fucked up, i mean if you want we can go that way, but it would make him look like a coward, a complete hypocrite, and kind of a loser for not sticking to his own words, like the Shrek meme of "some of you may die but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make" type thing.
As such i prefer to believe he did in fact went out in peace, accepting that he became just a part of the natural order of things.
My only issue is the fact that people are trying to take what they think is some moral high ground by mentioning the "irony" of his statements. Saying he had being assassinated in front of a crowd of people, including his wife and kids during a debate coming for saying mean words, while actively giving justification to somebody who just assassinated a man is some bizzaro world shit. I don't care who you support, killing somebody over words and/or their beliefs is not an incident that should be treated as an "I told ya I was right" or a left vs right thing. Killing somebody over words should not be a political issue.
Do you not see any correlation between violence against minorities and influencers like this dickbag calling trans people abominations and advocating against gay marriage and literally the racist dog whistle that came out of his mouth the second before he died?
People like you keep saying this "died over his opinions" shit as if his opinions didn't cosign tons of violence against tons of people who also have died.
Maybe, just maybe, if people with an audience would stop fucking dehumanizing other people, we would have perhaps a slightly less violent nation. Or, hey, it's just an opinion. Right? And when it's the conservatives who die for their opinions instead of black, trans, gay, etc people who somehow deserved it, we give thoughts and prayers. FOH.
Anyone who supports keeping legal things that kill people make the same calculation. If you don't think cars should be illegal then you dying in a car accident is the same. Drive carefully
And why are they so okay to kill them, and how are they able to get their hands on tools to kill them, so easily?
The point is that America has a deeply ingrained cultural problem with this, and when you shut down any talk about its negatives, you make it worse.
I don't mind 2A advocates, I'm annoyed when they don't want to place any kind of emphasis on responsible gun ownership. When it's all fear mongering, it stokes the flame of supporters, and invokes the ire of the opposition. You can't keep throwing lighter fluid on a bonfire then be surprised when you get burned.
The problem is his death has nothing to do with gun ownership. It’s entirely due to a man who was so lost into Reddit and discord brainrot he killed a man for stating his beliefs. He did it in a gun free zone by the way. If someone decides to kill a person they will find a way. Like that ukraine girl. I haven’t seen lack of emphasis on responsible gun ownership personally.
I mean his son nearly killed someone 3 weeks ago and he says the victim is milking it for GoFundMe, but when someone else gets shot now he cares? He is literally virtue signalling.
First of all, you have no idea what I believe or what race I am.
Second, where in this article did he say something hateful towards “Black people”?
Edit: Yes, don’t respond. You knew there was nothing in this article that was even reported in context, let alone was actually hateful against an entire race. Find happiness.
Once someone gets punched in the head enough times I sorta stop taking their beliefs too seriously. I think most great fighters have a mix of 70% hard right and 30% communist opinions and see no contradiction
Ya see, we were discussing trans school shooters until someone put a bullet in this guy apparently lmao. Ignoring all the politicians on the other side being attacked recently the right has their martyr now
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