XQC is so emotionally immature. That absolutely looked pathetic on his end, resorting to name calling and leaving when he couldn't contest a single point
I mean to be honest idk what XQC is really even doing here. The only reason imo to really have this "debate" would be for XQC to learn things because there is no way he would ever win a debate vs destiny.
If xqc was really trying to learn I think that would be a good thing, but if again X believed he had even a ounce of a chance to win this debate thats crazy.
It's more about forcing xQc's chat and anyone who jumps in to see the debate to see how fucking stupid his position is. I don't think more than a dozen people think he's a smart guy.
I mean that would make it favorable for destiny so it would explain why destiny would want to debate XQC, but what about XQC? does XQC really think he has a leg to stand on or is he trying to learn or something else I havnt thought of maybe?
Yes, xQc believes he has the right opinion. He believes he can make a compelling argument. It's also streamer math. If you bring on a really popular streamer and there's drama, then you'll get more views. I don't think that math is very much in xQc's favor anymore, but to be fair he's really stupid.
For destiny winning is doing well in the debate and getting views, for xqc winning is getting views. That’s how I see it atleast, I don’t think he cares moreso just something to do. I also think he probably thought he had a chance based on nothing lol
he truly seems incapable of admitting when hes wrong. I think that the same thing happened with him and ethans debate. He got fucking destroyed in every way possible and when it finished he was SURE that he won the debate.
He will never and cant admit fault and therefore thinks he always wins every debate
A massive part of his audience are bots. After the Twitch crackdown 2 weeks ago his viewership dropped by 20k. A dozen is hyperbole but my point is there aren't really as many as it might seem.
When you have an audience of crazy people who believe in your takes and opinions, you start to believe your beliefs are valid.
This is exactly what was wrong with Kirk. Dude didn’t have good points. He had carefully curated talking points, and took them to places where he knew he was going to get a lot of immature people who weren’t aware of them, he would set up a massive speaker so you could hear him from far away, dragging curious onlookers in.
They saw the garbage he was pushing, and thought they could counter it unprepared.
But just like dealing with flat earthers, when you don’t know the talking points, you will be made to look like a fool.
This is why Kirk rarely did moderated debates, and the times he did with people who knew his talking points they’d be destroyed.
People are now going out with Kirk’s talking points to argue with liberals(exactly what I did when I was a young Trump voting conservative)
The problem is when people know the point, or can access statistics, the entirety of Kirk’s house of cards collapses. You don’t know how to react because you aren’t actually prepared, so you rage quit.
It’s going to be up to XQC to reflect on this and maybe improve for the better, recalibrate where his position is like I had to, or he will just embrace cognitive dissonance, refuse to interact with liberals/left leaning people and dig himself in a deeper hole while surrounding himself with the same extremists that more than likely killed Charlie Kirk.
Nah...lol. They're friends and earlier Destiny watched xQc watching Asmongold and agreeing with him and he called him "xQ Downs Syndrome", challenging xQc to join the stream as x was live too, and then x joined the stream. Seemed like Destiny needed someone to unload on and x was just like "you're gonna yell? Okay...that's content"...even to the point x was barking like a goddamn seal trying to rile Destiny up...best stream in a while.
The thing is that Destiny is a good debater but if you’re actually informed on a topic then he doesn’t look nearly as good. If people just did some basic research on the topics they feel so passionately about then Destiny would look a lot less good.
The problem is that people like XQC go based solely on vibes and social media posts, so they have stupid opinions that can only exist in their bubble.
but if you’re actually informed on a topic then he doesn’t look nearly as good.
That depends entirely on the topic.
I'd put literally anybody up against Destiny on January 6th. Destiny can rip facts off the dome that are so obscure you need to have read court filings to know them.
He objectively does more research than the vast majority of his peers. Hasan, Vaush, Ethan Klein, Pakman, Seder, Breaking Points, they all get basic shit wrong constantly that Destiny knows they're wrong about and why they're wrong about it just at a glance.
He's got plenty of other issues, but an unwillingness to research and learn is not one of them.
I don’t think I claimed Destiny doesn’t do research, I agree that he does far more research than other people. I think that part of the reason why Destiny is such a good debater is that he will do actual research while other people will watch social media or read a news article or two at most.
Also, if you do a lot of research then it becomes impossible to have a lot of opinions that people like XQC or Asmon have. So their positions wouldn’t be as extreme since the research would moderate it but they could end up having different interpretations where reasonable minds can disagree .
Destiny is intelligent, but he fails to see the truth because he's not after the truth - he's after winning a debate and he's on the wrong side.
He puts up a good fight, but all the complex math research and arguments in the world isn't going to prove that 2+2=5. He's certainly able to convince a lot of people (himself included) that it must, but it doesn't make him less fundamentally wrong.
There are fundamental truths that destiny just gets wrong and so he starts from a place of failure.
The first obvious one is that objective morality exists.
Destiny can't believe this because it would show him how he has failed, so instead he argues that morality is subjective - I'm sure he could write entire papers on why he believes that (the actual reason is obvious), but it doesn't make it true.
Here's a bit of a summary of Chapter 7 (The Great Refusal):
People appeal to relativism when convenient (“rights are social constructs,” “morality is just cultural consensus”), but…
They immediately smuggle in absolutes when pressed (“slavery is obviously wrong,” “human dignity inherently matters”).
If morality is purely subjective, then nothing - slavery, genocide, lying, exploitation - can be truly wrong. At best, it’s “not preferred by our society right now.” But people don’t talk like that. They speak as if moral truths have real authority - binding even on those who disagree.
Take these contradictions:
If morality is just programming from evolution, why do we feel guilt over private lies no one will ever know about, or pride when helping strangers we’ll never see again? Those don’t help survival.
If morality is only social consensus, how do we condemn societies that embraced slavery or genocide? By their own standards, they were “moral.” Yet we all intuitively know they were wrong.
If morality is just empathy or preference, why does it feel like violating something fundamental when we do evil, rather than just breaking a convention?
Every attempt to ground morality in subjectivity eventually collapses into appealing to something universal - something that transcends individual or cultural opinion.
The irony is that many people dismiss “objective morality” as a fairy tale, while simultaneously living and speaking as if it exists. They rage against injustice, corruption, exploitation, or cruelty as if those things are not only personally distasteful, but fundamentally wrong.
That only makes sense if moral truth isn’t invented but discovered; if there is an authority beyond us - a reality that defines right and wrong in the same way physics defines gravity.
Otherwise, outrage is incoherent. It’s just preference dressed up as principle.
Which means the real “great refusal” isn’t about evidence, but about humility. To admit that objective morality exists is to admit we are accountable to something greater than ourselves. And that is exactly what many people (*cough* destiny) can’t bring themselves to do.
And if it's that easy to destroy the foundation of destiny's moral beliefs, think about how far off base he is in everything else he espouses.
And to take this further so that all atheists will see why they go so wrong, this is why all truth begins with God (the universal moral authority).
Your first example proves yourself wrong, and I stopped reading at that point.
Morality is either subjective, or objective morality isnt felt and experienced in any meaningful way and must therefore be perceived and enacted trough a subjective lense. Which means it is subjective regardless.
Math is objective because 2+2=4 regardless of where and who interpets it and does the math. Its demonstrably true and repeatable and its constant.
Morality is not constant, it changes based on who views it and when they view it, where and how they are raised and in what nation its being considered.
For morality to be truly objective it must be instinctually and universally felt and experienced, and not open to subjective interpretation and not open to changing with the political climate. But they do.
EVEN IF there is some divine wisdom greater than and beyond us that has decreed from up on high what morality is and should be and this is the objective truth of morality, or we have an innate and shared perfect understanding of morality that we imperfectly access
It is still subjective morality if we have no access to, nor way of determining that divine will or perfect morality, and have to use subjective understanding to interpret vague signs.
2+2 might be 4. But a squiggle that could be 2 or it could be 5 depending on your angle of looking at it + a squiggle that could be 2 or it could be 5 depending on how you're looking at it. Will not have an objective answer, even if an unknowable third party who is unable to communicate directly with you knows that its a 2 and a 5, unless we have a real way of accessing that objective information. Which we don't.
If people just did some basic research on the topics they feel so passionately about then Destiny would look a lot less good.
People rarely really do research. Like really even i noticed how sometimes i need to go back on my own comments and do a check to see if i researched it right. Most discussion and im not even talking just about political discussions are on vibes and what bubble the people are in and im not even talking just about conservative.
he wasn't capable of handling the discrepancy between his beliefs and facts, showing us that he is a rather emotional character following feelings and not facts. People like him are a central target for disinfo.
What I find so deeply disturbing is how this is exactly how they talk about everyone else. Over the last ten years, any critisism I've seen aimed at conservatives is, without fail, used against the left at a later date. In conservatives minds and deep in their hearts they truly believe that the left are violent racist bigots who don't care about facts and blindly follow what their leaders tell them.
It reeks of a childlike understanding of why they got their ass beat in an argument.
They know that they got their shit ruined and the person who danced around them said the same words and made the same criticisms, so they parrot it regardless of whether any of it is true or not, as if it's some magic spell to win the argument.
Charley Kirk was assassinated 2 days ago, trump had 3 separate attempts on his life; narrowly avoiding the same fate as Charley, cities are burned and billions of dollars of damage in ‘fiery but mostly peaceful protests’ for a criminal drug addict who overdosed on fentanyl as he was being arrested.
Mods on here are having to work overtime to delete comments from people praising the shooter and wishing death on a father of two who dedicated their life to giving anyone who disagreed with him, even hated him, a microphone, and an opportunity to have a civil, respectful conversation to challenge his views.
He would often be mocked, insulted, and assaulted, but would always still invite them to have an open conversation with him. While I never cared for most of his opinions, what Charley was doing was a great thing, and represented the heart of how American political discourse should occur.
What is the point of your first paragraph? Every. Single. Study. Concludes that the overwhelming majority of extremist violence comes from the right. The NIJ has an article on it. Far-left extremists: 42 ideologically motivated attacks since 1990; far-right extremists: 227. That’s not even getting into how the right is unilaterally responsible for the political climate temperature increase and divisiveness by electing a guy who RAISED THE TEMP IN HIS OWN PARTY STARTING IN THE PRIMARIES and is the most divisive president in American history who tried to steal an election AND THEY ELECTED HIM AGAIN. Also why are you bringing up BLM? They aren’t a politically aligned movement and the goal of the movement had nothing to do with politics. You are the brainwashed person everyone is referencing.
Everyone I know is simply withholding empathy for his death. There are of course batshit insane people on both sides but I’ve had at least three people respond accusing me of condoning the murder and wanting him dead when my comment was explicitly just not caring that he’s dead the same way he also didn’t care when people died. Every TikTok I see is people not caring. Every twitter post I see is people not caring. All the comments on Reddit I see are people just not caring. I’m sure you can find evidence of people saying they wanted him murdered but in the media I’ve consumed I’ve not seen that. In the comments of the stuff I see conservatives consistently misrepresenting a lack of empathy as a wishing for him to be murdered.
Dude went on college campuses to punch down on people not only younger and less experienced but whose full time job isn’t political discourse. Stop acting like this guy was on some holy mission doing a great thing lmfao. He was a shit human being with a lot of shit views who supported a traitor to America because it lined his pockets and he had no spine.
He was killed by a dude who donated to Trump, wore a Trump Halloween costume, and was raised in a rightwing household by a sheriff/pastor. Trump's attackers also were from rightwing households and had ties to MAGA. Remind me how this is a leftist issue.
BLM protests weren't "for" Floyd. They were "against" the system that was trying to tolerate the state sanctioned murder of a man for doing nothing. Floyd just happened to be that man. Everyone in the US should have supported this. Certainly "small government" republicans and "don't tread on me" libertarians should be against the police being executioners.
The kid wrote ANTIFA sayings on his weapons, and showed up to a leftist protest hours before. Not to mention, you think if the parents are right wing, the kids will also be?
The groypers called Kirk a fascist. The specific anti-fascist messages are groyper memes.
I think you are falling for misinformation with regards to the "leftist protest". I think you were shown the picture of a kid in the high vis. That is a different person.
He was so right wing he was also banging a trans dude? I admit that I was mistaken on the protest part, but the FBI has confirmed he was in a ‘romantic relationship’ with a MtF in the process of transitioning. That isn’t something a ‘far-right’ person would do.
Found the emotional cry baby streamer here in the thread. Good lord the victim complex of conservatives is pathetic. Miraculously you managed to remove all the right wing violence like Jan 6th and dem senators getting assassinated by a maga dude.
Oh and Trump just 4 days ago jokes about pelosi husband getting hit w a hammer. Crickets from maga ghouls.
He's one of those unserious people that a lot of people seem to enjoy when he's doing unserious things, but when he tries to dip into US politics he's woefully lacking and on top of it he's a fucking Canuck anyway.
I have never watched him because he seems like a man-baby any time he's arguing. He just yells and mumbles nonsense.
But there's a clip that I occasionally see from him playing Counter Strike that's genuinely funny just because it sums up the average CS experience. It would be equally funny if it was clipped from literally anyone else playing though.
Ah, I see now, you disagree with Destiny because you're a theist and he isn't. It's funny to me that you're so assured of your moral correctness, but I guess that's common with religious people.
I don't know enough about Destiny to judge his morality as a whole, but in at least this clip I think he's on the morally correct side. XQC is speaking out of anger and calling for escalation that will only bring more violence. Destiny is pointing out the hypocritical reaction of the Right and calling for a return to peace. To me the morality of those two sides are clear.
That seems par for the course for right-wing argument, though.
Had one yesterday that smugly insisted politifact ("the site you libs love so much!!!") confirmed he was right and I was wrong, but then had a full blown meltdown when I bothered to spend 30 seconds grabbing the link to the source he brought up and screenshotting multiple bits inside that said the opposite of what he claimed. Strawmen, deflection, names, insults ensue as the flee the conversation and block.
They make a claim based on vibes and just hope that nobody will bother to spend 30 seconds posting a link disproving it. Even for sources they point to and claim support their points, despite them saying literally the opposite if you both to read them.
They know that in the time it takes to post the link disproving it and walk through it, they can just spam another ten memes or braindead arguments that make no sense, and you're somehow on the hook to disprove it.
To be fair at least somewhat it seemed like xQc was just steelmanning the opposition, but he is a fucking annoying ass centrist who are a cancer. That being said this was a long ass "debate" where from the outside you'd think that bridge was in more pieces than Charlie Kirk's spine, but then they both ended it with a "love ya buddy, stay safe" lol.
XQC has the collective brain capacity of a sock filled with mosquitos, and the English comprehension. If you take your political ques from that guy you are going to have a hard life.
He’s also not very intelligent as seen by this clip. He’s completely outclassed and should stick to gaming. Keep the political discussion to more capable minds. I actually feel bad for him, it’s almost like he really wants to fit in with smarter crowd
He consistently makes up his mind, backs it up with extreme conviction to the point that if he goes back on it he looks dumb, and then goes all in on his position because no matter how stupid it looks his ego won’t allow him to say “yeah maybe I’m wrong here”.
I'm aware what it means. I'm not defending XQC, he's fucked too. Destiny is just a chronically online debate lord. He's toxic, cares more about dominating a conversation, degrades people who disagree with him, and especially after some recent revelations has some clear mental issues.
I mean congrats to him. He often has a proper stance on things. Just debating people who aren't as informed, are being dragged into conspiracy spaces, and have never actually articulated their thoughts before. I'm glad he loves owning them non stop, and humiliating them. I'm sure that will change minds.
After years of doing this, he should know better. Yet he's immature and prefers to be abrasive and acts like a bit of a bully tbh.
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u/SniXSniPe 2d ago
XQC is so emotionally immature. That absolutely looked pathetic on his end, resorting to name calling and leaving when he couldn't contest a single point