xQc providing a perfect example of how broken peoples brains are in the social media era. Confidently say something factually incorrect then throw a tantrum and continuously double down with how wrong they are.
I saw so much of this on Facebook in 2015 right when I quit the platform. People’s brains are fuckin mush.
Yeah even a lot of normal people can't really think about this clearly. It's just generally liberals and conservatives being held to different standards.
There is a thousand things that Trump has done that if a liberal politician had done them everyone would call for their head, but people somehow accepted Trumpism as a force of nature, something with some purpose or usefulness, something to weather through, accepted him as a strongman leader/abuser where things work by different rules.
You see this with farleftists too that during Bidens term and Kamalas campaign tried to demonize her and bully her into submission, but when it comes to Trump they sort of shut up and don't even try. There just is a vibe of acceptance of populism, resentment, controlled chaos, taking those that were previously "at the top" down.
Kirk getting murdered isn't at all different from all the other attempts on political figures in the last decade, but we somehow accept that since he's on the right we can except Trumps wraths, and given that he's a youtuber it scares media and new media figures more.
Years of "facebook is trying to censor us and our free speech T_T REEE" overnight swaps to "those crazy extremists on social media can post whatever hateful thing they say".
I couldn't imagine a world where Biden created "$JOECOIN" and that is just an accepted thing that is now in place
Or Imagine if Biden had taken a 400 MILLION dollar plane from some billionairs in the middle east and is now forcing it to be converted to be used for air force one. And the kicker, I'm pretty sure I read that it was set up so that Trump does directly own the jet, not like America or the government owning it
Imagine if Biden was seen in public with a visable droop to one side of his face?
its just crazy to me how "centrists" will try and say that both sides are as bad as eachother when not a single of the above things would have been allowed to happen in a democratic government
Yeah Trump went from basically almost broke and investigated by agencies for schemes to quasi billionaire threatening corporate leaders and foreign countries into paying him off. Blatant self enrichment, somehow tolerated by all those anti-establishment, anti-corruption centrists. Not sure if they emotionally interpret that as him getting silicon valley and a freespinning capitalist machine under government control or something?
Yep, its the most blatant use of double standards and flip flopping.
They're snakes, wriggling little snakes. They try to twist words meanings and factual evidence like the problems their combating are so fucking bad they're willing to stick their brain in a blender to fight them.
We can thank Fox news and other right wing grifters for that. All they know how to do is spin facts and drum up hate and fear.
Its a niche meta strategy for the "news" industry
At least for those that couldnt figure out how to make sellable content without selling their souls and damning our nation.
The mainstream media needs to wise the fuck up and start calling out right wing violence. A member of the fourth estate just got dropped and it's the right turning up the temperature. How long before a MAGA person decides to shoot a news anchor at CNN or MSNBC? Will they do it soon to "get back" for Charlie Kirk? If the media continues to be complicit while the right keeps encouraging violence and demanding civil war. Eventually the leopards are going to eat their faces too.
The right wing has figured this out, and employed it incredibly well. The facts and logic you present in a debate don't truly matter, and relying on them often costs the win.
Boxing and UFC Fights aren't often decided by K/O's but by whoever gets the most hits in. Debates work the same, where so long as you stay the attacker you can often win. Even if the defense plays a perfect game, if all they do is respond to attacks they will lose.
What about the argument that females in my family are afraid to bike home from work at 4am because of recent problems in the netherlands. and no they are not afraid of biking past dutch people. And this is coming from people who were left their whole life but just out of personal experience cant safely bike home at night just because they are women.
these fears are completely rational and not fabricated. fuck off look at german rape stats for example.
Someone who calls women unironically "females" really has lost it already...
I sincerely doubt that there is any woman in existence that feels comfortable in your vicinity to even remotely tell you anything... more likely that you'll yell at them that it's their own fault for dressing slutty or some other bullshit.
I've seen what you're talking about, but in this case I think he has a legitimate mental handicap that's only made worse by a shitty diet and constantly being on uppers.
Well that’s the thing, he saw libs of tiktok, and then just ignored the fact that Donald Trump is up there too? Like because libs of TikTok called for war? That means the other people up there are less valid?
Is also just straight up highlighting “you shouldn’t take anything these people say seriously because they are violent extremeists”
His first presidency was truly the first time I started "unfriending" people across social media.
Prior to that, I had never let politics interfere with friendships, but it got to be too much and too argumentative. The issue was no longer about political issues, but core human values and beliefs.
The most dangerous thing that happened was "alternative facts". It shifted things and removed any bit of evidence based dialogue from the discourse for the right. Vibes and feelings took over. I remember right wing folk used to say "facts not feelings" but now they genuinely reject fact because they have an opinion that differs, backed by nothing but assumptions and hopes. It's fuckin' insane that we live in a world where such a significant amount of our population just reject reality. It's mass intentionally assumed psychosis. I've seen it also in some of the more extreme folk on the left. A lot of conjecture and it makes me feel like an asshole being like "Hey gang, we need evidence. If you assert something based on feelings, always make it clear you have nothing to back it up and it's just your opinion. Don't treat feelings and expectations as facts/reality".
I want to ALWAYS be on the side of accuracy and truth. Never on opinion/feelings. Certain shit is unquantifiable, but a lot is, and if we don't do our due diligence to make sure we are being as correct and factual as possible, we do a disservice to our species and prevent real progress towards bettering society across the globe so we can all live content and happy lives free from oppression, hate, and suffering.
I'm sure there's evidence that this is worse now than in the immediate past (the 90s or early 00s), but I've found a huge percentage of people have always been like this, and it doesn't (even today) necessarily correlate with how much people are online.
Not sure if I'm trying to reassure here, or be even more pessimistic, but a large proportion of people have always been really, very stupid.
I really think the main difference in the current era has a lot to do with visibility, the internet lets people see more of the most stupid and ignorant takes that exist and even selects for exactly that because they get way more traction than super lukewarm ones. Also a hundred or two years ago saying inflammatory stupid stuff that was enough against the norms could easily see you lynched and that also did quite a bit to make people less willing to broadcast their ridiculously dumb ideas publically.
What we see is people's feelings and emotions getting the best of them. Fucking intelligent people are not exempt from this either. You'd think that having high IQ/intelligence would solve this, but no, they will use everything at their intelligence's disposal to argue and validate the way that they feel about something as the only correct way to feel about it to validate their own feelings on a given topic. They are all led by emotions and feelings of what they feel is right, as opposed as using logic to come to the right conclusion, and if they find anybody that dares to contradict (in their mind they feel as if their feelings are invalidated) them, they will arrogantly try to destroy that person however way they can (with "facts and logic", economically, physically, whatever way they can), so that in the end their feelings of what is right prevail. What an utterly selfish reality we have to exist in, Christ allmighty save me from this forsaken place.
Eh that’s insulting to plumbers. It’s a good paying, honest trade that more young people should really persue if they want to be able to live comfortably, especially if they can land a union plumbers job doing commercial work. They’re having problems finding people to learn trades like that because everyone is getting into a flooded market like tech or are chasing silly dreams of becoming an influencer.
That's great but how about you walk onto a jobsite and then ask those plumbers how they vote.
Their views line up with this kids which is again that of an uneducated dipshit who couldn't amount to more than working with their hands.
there is nothing wrong with physical labor but people smart enough to not do it almost always do for a reason. There is a reason it has always been dominated by the stupid. Because you don't need to know anything to dig.
Confidently say something factually incorrect then throw a tantrum and continuously double down with how wrong they are.
I often think that the idea that AI is going to replace humans is overblown because of how often it screws up and is unable to actually “think” the way that humans do or correct itself.
And then I realize humans do the exact same thing.
It is getting worse, now with AI people will try and argue about things which are known because they phrased their question to AI differently to achieve whatever answer they want. I had the silliest argument with my wife about this the other day. It was a basic geography question about Irish rocks of all things. She asked ChatGPT "are we in a hard water area" and ChatGPT decided that we were, the logic was that we had our water supply from a specific source, turns out we literally got a letter from Irish water saying we were getting our water from Wicklow instead a few months back and ChatGPT just doesn't know that and the information isn't really online. So it was wrong but we got in this really dumb argument because the belief now is that ChatGPT can find out everything and if you know for sure something but ChatGPT disagrees you must be wrong.
the thing I love the most is the whiplash moments when these braindead fucks actually have to contend with something the side they are cheering on did
Like when X didn't realise that ALL of the jan 6 rioters had been pardoned. Or that Hunter Bidens charges were complete and utter bogus. Or when he realised that Gavin Newsom literally told rioters in LA to calm down and that they would be arrested. Im guessing he was expecting Gavin to handwave all of it lmao
But instead of wondering how he managed to get those opinions into his head, he just gets mad and deflects to some other point
he didn't even have an argument? xqc just cherry picked like two things to complain about them being compared and stormed off because he knew he was looking really fuckin dumb
People just absolutely hate to admit they're wrong. We haven't made it exactly easy to be wrong this day in age, hence why some double down. Not saying it's right, but I'm not gonna pretend this isn't what happens.
Also, I imagine Xqc sold his soul to trumpism awhile ago
xQc providing a perfect example of how broken peoples brains are in the social media era. Confidently say something factually incorrect then throw a tantrum and continuously double down with how wrong they are.
Sounds like Joe Rogan getting fact checked all the time.
People have always been this way. There is no difference between people's brains now and people's brains in the past. The difference is that we raise up the voices of the loudest, most idiotic voices possible.
The social media age preferences for mush brains.
Back in the day Salman Rushdie wrote a pretty good article back when things like blogs were taking over, and in it he lamented the loss of authoritative voices in the field of book reviews to blogs where anyone was writing their feelings. He basically predicted that it's end result would be a slow descent into mush brain preference.
Same. In 2015, my SIL's brother (who's my age, a fellow Millennial) responded to a fact check I made saying reality is what he makes of it: meaning he doesn't care about facts. This was after months of seeing increasingly conservative and cruel rhetoric surfaced all over my homepage.
That is the moment (spewing Newt Gingrich talking points) I quit and deleted Facebook, Xitter, and anything else that wasn't just cute cats and funny toddlers. It was a waste of time reading or arguing about any of it.
But to be fair, this is a televised debate. In such a situation it's better to stick to your guns and let the audience decide for themselves which side was convincing. If you go into a public debate just conceding points immediately, the debate is pointless
I think, maybe, people aren't meant to be bombarded with so much varied content regularly for so long. Like surely it wears down on our ability to like... stop and think about something for a minute, take a breath and regulate emotion?
These people encouraged violence beforehand. Many of them have videos inciting violence. You can find them on YouTube even. Gavin has said we need to use violence more than once.
I mean, it depends what he is referring to. If we're talking about officials, yes, they've disavowed it. But if we're talking about what's been happening on Twitter and social media, and the disconnect between officials and the general sentiment amongst people, I wouldn't say it's an exaggeration to say that celebration/indifference of his death is the *consensus* opinion, if not outright disappointment or frustration that people are trying to disavow it or pay respect to him in anyway, asserting that it's not justified.
Simpleflips was victim of this. He attempted to disavow the shooting and is catching heat for trying to assert that he's uncomfortable with the shooting. Just look at his tweets yourself, he disabled comments but 80% of the retweets are roasting him, being frustrated and disappointed at him for "fence sitting" and trying to humanize him at all. They're literally annoyed with him for trying to say the shooting is bad. It seems there are people receiving harassment for trying to denounce the shooting.
The amount of people stating their distate over this ubiquitous celebration reaction, and their feeling of alienation at seeing people on their side react this way was also pretty notable. I think the point is the undercurrent of growing extremism is well, growing. Technically it might be a different conversation to what was being had here, but boy, the last few days on twitter have been very interesting.
Destiny doesn't have as good of a case as he thinks either. Who cares if Barack Obama disavows the violence. Obama isn't the one that's going to pick up a gun and go shoot someone in the neck.
The problem is that your AVERAGE leftist, whether they're a redditor, a school teacher, hasan/destiny viewer, or university student is celebrating the action in a way that is so public and brazen you genuinely need to ask yourself why these people feel so emboldened to behave this way in public as if they do not need to fear any consequences. Why is that?
It's not factually incorrect though. Have you visited the front page of reddit? Are they talking about notable peoples? Or the general reaction as a whole from either side?
Destiny confidently said something factually incorrect but Destiny fankids are too dumb or biased to care. He said "every person on the right is calling for war and vengeance" this is obviously not true. Whereas xqc did not say anything factually incorrect but you are too dumb or biased to realise that in this destiny circlejerk reddit thread.
Obvious hyperbole is obvious, Left wing politicians are saying both sides need to chill right wing politicians are standing on Charlie’s grave using it as a political weapon against the Left
Left wing politicians are saying both sides need to chill right wing politicians are standing on Charlie’s grave using it as a political weapon against the Left
A very specific and small group of left wing politicians are saying both sides need to chill, the ones who would be targets of revenge.
Non-public facing figures for the Left have very much expressed the opposite sentiment
A small specific group? Find me one left wing politician that has said anything remotely close to the violent rhetoric spewed by Trump.
Thanks for proving Destiny’s point by non public facing figures you mean random twitter accounts mocking Charlie’s death. If you think random right wing twitter accounts care when democrats get murdered you are beyond all hope of redemption, you’re too inculcated.
You are actually brain dead. I said left wing politician and you said a small group of them. No you are dead wrong it isn’t a small group every single left wing politician disavowed. If you think I’m wrong name one or explain how I shifted the goal posts when Trump called for 2nd amendment guys to take care of Hillary. Isn’t that exactly the type of rhetoric we’re talking about in this thread?
Not really how Reddit works. They’ve added some algo stuff, but most of the people interacting in communities are either subscribed to that community or get there from Popular.
Wrong again, it's actually incredible how wrong you are, much like XQC who again, claimed "no one on the left" talked bad of the political violence. Digging in your heels doesn't change facts
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xQc providing a perfect example of how broken peoples brains are in the social media era. Confidently say something factually incorrect then throw a tantrum and continuously double down with how wrong they are.
I saw so much of this on Facebook in 2015 right when I quit the platform. People’s brains are fuckin mush.