its so fucking sad dude, like you cant convince these people to do anything in their favour, they only follow what trump says, even if its insanely detrimental to their lives.
Its like a kid trying to drink dish washing liquid and no matter what you say they cant be convinced otherwise
I had this mad cognitive dissonance going on, like I was trying to fight my childhood indoctrination. For some reason it was even harder to shake off than religion (I knew I was agnostic/not catholic when i was still in catholic HS).
A voice in the back of my mind knew those weren't actually my values, but I would just ignore it and double down.
yeah the american bullshit spreads everywhere, all over twitter, every conservative just seems to think insane batshit things that stemmed from america even if they arent even conceivably an issue in other countries
Well that could be because reality has a noted liberal bias. Should you change your mind if someone arguing with you claims that 2+2=FISH, and you carefully explain and cite how it's really 4? And they refuse to listen? And they want you to suffer? Or worse?
Be sure to tell them, in these moments, that you watched them change the goalpost which is an underhanded, bad-faith way to argue. They don't have to agree, they certainly won't but they need to be forced to hear it.
It's so weird too. I respect someone so much MORE when they can admit they were wrong or apologize. It immediately lets me know that I am talking to someone that isn't just thinking about themselves and their ego.
I think last time I had an argument with my conservative friend, it was about the 14th amendment, and he said, I quote, "the wording is vague, so I don't think they really mean 'persons' there".
Ill give you a guess on what we were discussing. I just about crashed out.
I got banned from conservatives subreddit for replying to someone who said Trump was right about everything. I said he was wrong about everything and he is a Pedophile. They said I was being mean.
Yup been there, I've had these people tell me I'm brainwashed because my citations arent the ones they like.....even when the thing I'm citing is the literal source of whatever we are talking about. I've given up honestly I don't have the energy for it anymore like sure 1+1=5 why not? Let's just move on.
Honestly as someone who's been on the left for a while now, this isn't even just a conservative problem. There's people on both sides of the spectrum who just refuse to listen to anything that doesn't fit their world view and always go with the "you're wrong" narrative no matter how much proof you flaunt in their face
EO Wilson summed it up way better than I can, humans were never really meant to go past the hunter gatherer stage and break down as soon as someone is an other.
Civil society is only civil if no one is stoking hate, yet the Internet and instant media is constantly used that way. Imagine having a hugely bias media source that reinforces your viewpoint constantly and that's modern social media.
I think society is doomed if the extremes drive the narratives and others people
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u/Aggravating-Bonus-73 2d ago
That's pretty much how all my arguments against my conservative friends end.
The last example was when a guy told me that my opinion is not informed and stupid and I should at least Google or chatgpt it and stop refusing facts.
We googled it together, chatgpt'ed it together, I was right both times and he still refused to accept it xd
I now try to hold distance from people who can't accept that they were wrong, it's the dumbest type of humans who will never grow as a person