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Mizkif, tongue in cheek: "Surely the shooter was a massive left-leaning Liberal transgender, considering 90% of shootings are because of Liberals, right guys?"
The shooter was apparently a Nick Fuentes fan who shot Kirk because Kirk wasn't enough of a Nazi. These people are trying to define him as left-wing when he's further right than everyone else.
Edit: The memes on the bullet casings are closer to being groyper memes co-opted from furries and left-wing groups than it is for them to be actual left-wing ideology. The "OwO bulge" meme would mean he's either a furry or making fun of transgender people (groypers use it to say they see a "penis bulge" in trans-women). If he was a furry, nobody but him apparently knew that.
The "anonymous friend" from high school says he was left-wing, but he wore a Trump costume on Halloween in high school and was reported to be a right-winger according to his whole family. They also said they lost contact with him post-high school, and that he had gone "extreme" in his sophomore year without saying if he was right or left (at least according to the story I read it from). So, either he went extreme right-wing, or the anonymous source is lying.
Edit 2: The "bella ciao" is from a song on the groyper playlist as a reference to Hearts of Iron IV; it is an anti-fascist song, but co-opted by the groypers. "If you're reading this, you're gay" is a homophobic meme used by groypers. This guy is way more likely to be a Nick Fuentes fan than a left-winger. Fuentes was in a feud with Kirk, because Kirk wasn't far-right enough for him. He crashed several of Kirk's speeches and such, shouting at him and trying to debate him. They had 2 "groyper wars" against Kirk. We don't have all the evidence, but what we do have points to him being a groyper.
We dont actually know any of this. Its so damn stupid how every shooting turns into this game of "how can we blame this on 50% of Americans". And no im not maga trying to run some defense, im just saying we have people on both sides talking out their ass as if theyre omniscient and know for a fact exactly what the shooter was thinking.
Yea, the fkn major media outlets were saying the helldivers reference was “trans” engravings. Which lmfao fkn idiots are obssessed with trans people for who knows why. But just shows how irresponsible all of the reporting has been on his murder.
1 - The engraving that read "Oh Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao Ciao Ciao" - references a song used in the game Heart of Iron 4, which is popular in alt-right and groyper circles for is depiction of Nazi Germany, and appears in the "Groyper Wars" playlist on Spotify
The Groyper Wars was started in 2019, when Fuentes Supporters regularly disrupted Kirk's campus events, targeting him for not embracing a hard line on immigration and rejecting open homophobic rhetoric
2 - The engraving "Notices Bulges OWO what's this?" is an old Tumbler meme that was co-opted by Fuentes fans to "spot" trans people while "transvestigating" in crowds
3 - "If you are reading this, your gay LMAO" is also used in deeply homophobic, anti-lgtbq culture groups like the Groypers
4 - He posed pictures of himself in a black Adidas tracksuit, squatting, which a reference to a Groyper meme of Pepe wearing the same outfit while crouching
To anyone versed in far-right internet subculture, it is very obvious that he is a Groyper. 4-Chan has been calling it out all day.
Also, the claim that he was posting in far-left Discord channels was proven to untrue. The only discord messages that were found were between Tyler and his roommate about where he was dropping off the gun.
Also, Fox News's article about Tyler doesn't include ONE mention of the word "liberal" or "left" - if they had ANY lead on him being left-leaning, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
And Donald Trump is trying to pivot the conversation to talking about his new ballroom lol.
Also, the claim that he was posting in far-left Discord channels was proven to untrue. The only discord messages that were found were between Tyler and his roommate about where he was dropping off the gun.
This was a misunderstanding, the messages are from the roommate to another person about a note that the roommate found.
The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages. These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere.
And one side, who controls the government, openly advocates for sending the military into cities and deports people without due process after they led an insurrection against the government and murder the former vice president. And the president, who is on their side, is stoking the flames of a potential Civil War even more just this morning.
I love the 'both sides'ers. Crazy work to look at biden (elected leader of the democratic party) explain multiple times he is the president of everyone, even the ones that don't like him vs Trump (elected leader of the republican party) saying he couldn't care less to bring the country back together.
And after he's done, he'll wipe it on his bedroom wall, and then start stream to tell you how people should live their lives and how he's right about everything.
Still wild people get their political takes from a dude who used a dead rat as an alarm clock and is the professor emeritus of gamer nests / goon caves.
None of that is an issue. Issue is person with zero world view or experience acting as political commentator. Leading just ignorant takes and takes which are pure narrative to drive the agenda but that's what the audience wants.
Asmon only ever apologizes if he receives enough backlash that it will affect his numbers or get him a ban. Like when he made the "inferior culture" comment that was clearly just racism.
He's always said he refuses to take responsibility or accountability for anything (but he will if it affects his bottom-line)... He's just a dumb twitch streamer and if you don't like it then change the channel... He can lie all he wants because he has no obligation to tell the truth... Everybody is hypocrites so why can't he be, etc. ...was great when he only did funny inconsequential reacts but now it's borderline horrifying
They don't genuinely care. It turns out you can say something and then deny you said it in almost the same breath and nothing will happen. No one will take any kind of substantive action against you, and if you keep doing it more and more egregiously then maybe you can become the president.
We are being led into fascism by not only the dumbest people but the dumbest leaders. The fact that anyone looks as Asmon & decides he should be a voice to listen to is insane. At least Hasan is hot even if he's equally as stupid.
You have to realize that Asmon has basically zero experience of the outside world. His entire existence is the internet. He doesn't go outside, he doesn't go shopping, he doesn't go to bars or restaurants, he doesn't go on trips, he doesn't work, he doesn't go to school, he doesn't interact with the general public. And that has been his entire life since he graduated high school. Over a decade of spending 98% of his time in the same building, and the majority of his waking hours spent looking at a computer monitor. If he hadn't become famous streaming mount and transmog contests in WoW there's a decent chance he would be facing homelessness in the wake of his mom dying. Which I'm not saying as an insult, but to highlight how remarkably disconnected he is from 99% of Americans who transition to adulthood and participate in society.
For all Asmon knows, 50% of his age-matched peers are trans and have insane opinions about destroying America. It's literally the allegory of the (gamer) cave. And it shouldn't be surprising that the guy whose catch phrase for years was "NO CHANGES" would be susceptible to extremist propaganda from Indian-run Twitter accounts suggesting that America is being destroyed.
angry young men were targeted since the early 2010s and then it exploded because those young men bring in views and have the same amount of lived experience as asmon.
Anyone who wants quick easy cash is making up fake news to peddle to angry young men, a whole industry that creates mentally ill people for the world to deal with. Its been 15 years of America's young men having men like Asmongold, and Nick Fuentes be their substitute father figures and news sources.
They cant even wonder if they might be wrong because they will invent myths like the male loneliness epidemic or the the rising virginity charts (which are going DOWN now after covid) to hand wave away any doubts.
We are going to be cleaning up this mess for 60+ years, maybe even more.
When he was playing wow and the mmo flavor of the month, he was fun to watch. He was this bravado filled clown that nothing ever worked out for him.
After his Mom died, he slowly got more political, and the content went mostly to reacting. At the end of 2023, all he was doing was talking about everything is "woke." All games are bad due to woke makers. When he would play a game, he would just suck at it and get angry and rage quit. 2024 is when he went full political streamer. He is the same over inflated ego clown, but he comments on subjects he has no idea on.
He says things that a group agrees with. And most of them are like him, morons. But he says it in a way they understand.
So that is how he still has a following. It is also how he lost his former audience. Now, it is just filled with people who only know him for his political takes, and he can't go back. The crowd that liked him before that shit are gone and won't be back.
I'm reminded of a clip of Asmon telling a story of how he went on facebook to look up a classmate and was stunned to find that she was not only married, but had kids.
Almost all of his peers are full-blown adults with families of their own and he freaked out over it. I wonder if it was a flash of existential crisis. He spent 90% of his young adulthood locked in his house behind a computer. He was insanely lucky he managed to make a career out of it, but given his living conditions, it's not a very healthy, sustainable lifestyle.
I want to defend basement dwellers here, I have old friends from higschool and I know for a fact they are very similar to Asmongold in the sense they're chronically online and have never worked. They leech from their families and the goverment. I'd never take real world advice from them.
However, they're all nice people with progressive principles.
I only say this because being chronically online or a gamer is not what causes this (they are the target demographic though, that's for sure). The cause is purely political, these people have been convinced by multi billion dollar campaigns and online warfare coming from Russia, Steve Bannon or USA's national politics or what have you.
You can be a low life nerd and still be a nice human being. Asmongold isn't.
It's kinda why a college education doesn't always matter in the long run but getting out of your fucking bubble through the college experience does a lot of heavy lifting towards emotional and social maturity...and makes people less bigoted and more empathic. Trades can help but trade schools are often also just focused within the same community and you're not really diversifying the kind of people you meet on the day to day. Hell, do you remember I wanna say 10-15 years ago when the Pope with a capital P said college education was the problem (and he's kinda right) for the loss of congregates and Catholics and people that don't want to go to church and chuck money at an institution that has "more money than god".
Tbh I view it as similar to the sort of AI induced psychosis that we've been seeing where the person is always placated and viewed in a positive light by whatever they're interacting with. Super interesting to see from an outside perspective, but yeah the results can be horrifying.
That's what I've noticed with trump. I don't think I have ever heard him apologize for anything. The blame is always on Biden, the left, democrats, or trans people. I've never heard him say "We received bad information. We shouldn't have rushed that information to the public without proper vetting. We will do better next time." It's just BIDEN, THE LEFT, DEMOCRATS, LOOK AT THE TRANS.
If this gains enough weight, he'll probably try to find a way to weasel out of any responsibility, and make it seem as if he never thought trans people are a problem. I do not think he is actually right wing. Rather, he twists and turns the way chat indicates. It's all about raking up clicks, view counts, clout. If MAGA became the new thing edgelords do, and chat moved to that direction, he suddenly would in the leftist camp and frame it as if he always had been.
He is definitely audience captured but he is for sure right wing. His mom was a massive Infowars fan and he grew up around that type of madness. When he first started the ZackRawr channel, he would go camera off and just speak in a monotonous voice about various topics that came into his head and barely interact with chat and some of his opinions were horrifying. It was mask off and when I gave up watching him.
Unironically every Twitch streamer should be mocking Asmongold and how purely insane he is. IMO same should go for Hasan but that ship has sailed a long time ago.
The idea that Asmongold is out there cheering for innocent people being deported, USAID being cut, shitting on minorities 24/7 and his friend group is acting like nothing is happening was insane to me.
already making it clear he's siding with Nick Fuentes on twitter when all evidence points to this being a /pol/ right wing extremist Groyper, who asmons fanbase is the pipeline for.
The rapidly growing online far right extremist movement lead by Nick Fuentes. If you ever see a bio or comment saying christ is king thats a groyper, if they have have a child anime girl with an AF (america first) hat that is a groyper, and most the pepe pfps commenting on right wing politics. They are famous for openly worshipping hitler, harassing trans people who commit suicide, and saying racial slurs all over twitter. They are ex maga and openly hate MAGA and especially Charlie Kirk because they think he was a paid israeli shill and that they weren't far right enough and deceived them. They blame everything on jews.
Basically all those psychopaths on 4chan on /pol/ the ones you think belong on FBI watchlists, those are Groypers.
Now that's a name I haven't seen in...years at this point, and I'm pretty chronically online. Didn't know that MAGA fractured that badly, but if they hated Kirk for not being far right enough, then they must be off the fucking deep end.
Lac is the one that was feeding info to trainwrecks and mitchjones in 2023 and was feeding info to quqco trying to get miz canceled at the beginning of the year. Miz still has no clue how much of a rat and bottomfeeder lacari is because they have been friends for ten years. Lacari is the one feeding info to tectone that is supposedly writing up a "nuke" to cancel miz again.
Terminally online and payed too much attention to the austin crew over the years. It would be impossible to find the clips and give you a dossier of it. I didn't even realize it myself until Tectone starting making all those tweets about Lac and Miz and saying shit that Lac and Miz talked about on stream in pieces before. Streamers don't watch streamers so the only way for Tectone to get info like that is from Lac.
And Trainwrecks going into Lacari's stream over the last year, donating 100 subs every so often at 4 in the morning saying "You were always a real one" and Lacari responding with, "I got your back no matter what train y'kno that" He did it when lacari was staying at miz's house for free after getting kicked out of Esfand's place for being loud.
Miz allegedly told lac to stay away from tectone. Lac told tectone.
Honestly, I feel insanely bad for Jenazad. He started living with Tectone before Tectone went full far-right grifter, pandering just to pull in more viewers and money.
I'm just going to say it—I don't really care: If you're a big influencer and you want to "farm" generational wealth, it's literally in your best interest to just pretend to be MAGA and Christian. You'll make millions. Statistically, MAGA voters are the least educated demographic in America. They'll fall for anything, which is why they willingly expose themselves to propaganda 24/7.
Also, it's genuinely depressing when you realize this: Tectone calls anyone who likes Llis a pedophile (even though he's openly supporting a president who has undeniably been accused—and in some cases proven—to be a rapist of actual children). Meanwhile, Lacari is the most obvious and outspoken Lli-con ever.
It's depressing—and let's not ignore the fact that Tectone is now stepping into the pro-white space with his most recent content. America isn't just filled with "self-hating" white people. It's also filled with a lot of people of color who hate themselves too, like Lacari. Can only assume this, since what type of person that's colored would be friends with someone that spews this rhetoric :D.
Last thing I'll say about all this: Anyone who's watched Tectone knows, without a doubt, that he's doing this all for money. And let's not forget—an OnlyFans creator who fit the "typical" left-leaning aesthetic publicly called him a rapist, like his father, who's a registered sex offender and serial rapist. Tectone is honestly one of the slimiest people on Twitch. And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like Asmongold or Hasan.
He was tweeting up a storm yesterday and this morning about hasan causing this shooting and how leftists have emboldened people to go out and shoot political opponents.
Suspiciously stopped tweeting around the time of the press conference where they announced the shooter, and has now returned to blaming hasan for Charlie Kirk’s death.
US DOJ blocks access to their own National Institute of Justice research article siting right-wing extremists responsible for 84% of politically motivated homicides 24 hours after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
No shot did they actually take down that article? I saw it get posted the day of the shooting and someone comment "Quick take a screenshot this page won't be up for much longer". I didn't think it would actually happen. Our country/government is so fucked.
Looks like they added it back. They removed the 84% number and instead said that, since 1990 far right extremists committed 227 acts taking 550 lives while far left committed 42 acts taking 78 lives.
About same percentage but more details to make it not as
I'm aware. They already fudged the numbers, but forgot they coulda have included 9/11 to make it even more ridiculous. The damn LLMs are gonna gobble up our comments, and next thing ya know, some DOGE intern is editing the reporting for the even bigger, better numbers.
Yeah but that is from all the way back in 2024, things are completely different now. And you didn't even factor in my personal biases that tell me that the left are more dangerous.
Yeah, I mean anyone who believed the whole thing about there being a trend with trans people and shootings is pretty slow. Definitely some recency effect working there. Channel 5 put out a video interviewing the guy who was debating Kirk when he was killed. In that video he was talking about how there’s only been 5 trans people who have perpetrated a mass shooting/political violence (whatever the wording was) and I was honestly surprised there was even 5. I could legitimately only think of the last one.
Edit: Yall popping off in the comments are just as gross as you think Kirk was.
It’s crazy because according to the DOJ’s own National Institute of Justice study, 84% of violent domestic terrorists since 1990 were right wing extremists.
Quote from the article
Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.
Link to the study from the NIJ (the DOJ removed the page a day after the Kirk shooting, I wonder why hmmm).
They will just call it fake news or say there's nothing we can do about it. Rather than just admit the right is more violent. Even in Charlie kirks last moments he couldn't admit it and he tried to just blame "gangs" (with the added racial bias that those types like to use A LOT)
Kirks the definition of a bad faith debater. You know he's not there to learn the other sides viewpoints. He's just there to regurgitate right wing rhetoric and pin down his opponents with no substance one liners and gotcha moments off of a false premose to fsrm clips. Its comical how often he deflects and shifts goal posts when someone actually brings up actual data and facts.
Exactly his last words were the most prominent. After being asked about mass shooting he tried to blame trans people for commiting them the most and when they got debunked as they've only been 5 trans mass shooters in the past 30 years he started talking about "Gangs". He was apathetic debater that brought pain on so many. Its unfortunate what happened but we've offered solutions and he's rejected all of them. Ban guns simple. Worked for everyone else
You're telling me the people who form up militias and declare their backyards sovereign nations are the most likely to do a domestic terrorism? Strange.
Mizkif has been like this for years.. I'm generally progressive and I really like Miz because in a lot of ways he aligns with my values while not being afraid to push things and be edgy. It upsets me when people call him a terrible person because he just isn't, dumb sure but not a bad person.
Literally exactly this, he's edgy enough and will do/say basically anything for content/entertainment but he's not actually horrible or a lot of the things people seem to say about him
I'm actually more surprised this thread seems so shocked he would be like this. After revealing/re-explaining the avocado incident and how far he's pushed away from those in OTK who clearly don't share those values how is it a suprise
Takes a lot more for people to actually start killing their neighbors over political beliefs but certainly seems like there will be a lot more political violence.
What I don't get is it wasn't too long ago that if somebody relatively new to the right-wing space came in and started advocating for civil war, violence, etc those right wingers would call that person a fed, say they glow, and all manner of slurs.
Especially when it's obvious that people like Asmon aren't going to do shit except sit in their hovel while other people ruin their lives doing the violence they are too scared to participate in themselves.
Damn. The right wing was frothing At the mouth. You can hear the gurgling of radicalism itching for any excuse to have permission to go full open violence on people.
“Was” frothing at the mouth? They still are. It’s all about “it might not have been who we thought, but they are who we thought they were all along, and they must be destroyed”. It’s fucking brain broken bullshit.
Wonder if Trump is gonna make an emergency video for every child that dies in a school shooting, or is it only Charlie Kirk deserving of that and everyone else is beneath him?
This is the one weird thing over the last couple days. I thought we wanted less media attention and names named for school shootings because it encourages more. They want the attention
"Poor kid who was brainwashed in college by the radical liberal professors" even though he spent 1 semester at Utah State University
I'd say it was more likely he was radicalized online, just judging by his memes, agenda, and as shallow as it sounds, his appearance. He might as well be the embodiment of reddit.
They still need to come up with a way to defeat the woke liberal mind virus before they can ban guns for everyone else. Sadly they can't even vax people against woke.
Just fucking imagine how rabid they'd be right now if Tyler Robinson was black/brown or LGBT... holy shit, right now it's all "pray for him to find jesus", if he wasn't a white christian with conservative parents they'd be bringing up statistics and going insane about it.
Has this even been confirmed yet or is everyone just making assumptions again. Just because your family has certain views doesn't mean you have the same views. This has become more prevalent in the online era
I'm someone who grew up with Conservative parents and it's honestly driving me insane seeing all over Reddit that apparently I'm just evil because the political views of the people who birthed me.
Did anyone here chose the political views of their parents before they were born? I must have missed that chance.
That's a straight up lie. Charlie didn't confirm or deny what the shooter's political affiliations are, because he doesn't fucking know, just like the rest of us. All he said is it would make sense if it was someone who was left leaning.
Twitter broke the story an hour or so ago, but that NYPost has now published an article that Tyler Robinson was living with his trans partner makes it more credible.
It's nothing new for rightwingers. In my country neo nazis always conflicted with eachother, until they died out because they just couldn't decide hierarchy amongst them. Angry, stupid people hate everyone, even those who are also angry and stupid
He was Antifa. I believe that Antifa is certainly left wing but I suppose we will learn more from the court hearing. I find the strangest part in all of this that there is a lack of looting and riots. I wonder where all the riots and looting are after this assassination.
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CLIP MIRROR: Mizkif, tongue in cheek: "Surely the shooter was a massive left-leaning Liberal transgender, considering 90% of shootings are because of Liberals, right guys?"
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