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u/TheOneAndOnlyYuri 24d ago
It's been confirmed it is him, yeah. Leo separated them both and told them the other 'wasn't part of the deal'
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u/ShorohUA 24d ago
why?
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u/Knautical_J 24d ago
Together they were unstoppable, and probably would have taken over the whole thing. They also legitimately brought down a family and almost toppled it all as well. Would have been better to split them up than to keep them together.
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u/Mr_State_Trooper 24d ago
Exactly. And I think they also knew that although taking them out would’ve had its benefits, it was probably much more beneficial for the mob as a whole to keep them alive but apart, to avoid any further toppling and risks of war, and instead aiming their separate abilities and strengths at other different matters.
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u/Proud-Research-599 24d ago
Because Vito is a threat and Joe is a threat, and when they get together, they’re a menace. The last time these guys worked together, they took out two Families, the local Triad and the local Irish Mob. If you don’t want the Vinci family to be next on the block, you keep those two far away from each other.
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u/Ultimate-Diver1488 23d ago
Do u know if they ever meet again? (Lore wise) or do they just split there forever?
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u/minertime_allthetime 23d ago
As of the events of Mafia 3, Vito still believes Joe to be dead, and that doesn't change. Don't believe there's been any post game lore that says they meet again.
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u/More_Art774 23d ago
As far as Vito knows in mafia 3, Joe was tied up and beaten to death. Says he saw pictures or something and couldn’t even make out his face, so they never really confirmed Joe was dead, just that Vito genuinely believed it. I don’t see why the driver would look so similar if he wasn’t, they could have made him look like anyone else. Hell they probably told the same story to both of them, and showed them both the same picture of the same guy.
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u/Rammsteiner_91 23d ago
The guy that got killed was likely Eddie Scarpa since he was born in Chicago, he probably went there Vinci's people got a tip off and used him as an example and to get rid of the Falcone mafia family
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u/CricketChemical42 23d ago
And Joe would think Vito is dead?
Because Joe didn't try to contact Vito. I know together they were dangerous and impulsive, but also efficient, but if Joe didn´t think Vito was dead, he would be threatened or something
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u/More_Art774 22d ago
Did you read the last sentence of my comment? I address that right there in the last bit.
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u/Mysterious_Bluejay_5 24d ago
Because they're two extremely useful men who also happen to become impulsive idiots when within 50 miles of eachother. They took out the triads on a whim.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Heart54 24d ago
Cause he wasn't part of the deal.
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u/GD_02 23d ago edited 23d ago
The 2 had great chemistry, were ambitious and more importantly were too dangerous. Yes they screwed up by trusting Henry but they single handedly wiped out the triads, they took out black gangsters, destroyed the Irish mob, destroyed the greaser gang etc. they took care of businesses, assassinations and Vito damn near took out falcones entire empire by himself with joes assistance in the end. The same falcone who the commission greatly feared. They did all of this in their 20s, the commission greatly feared what would happen if the 2 of them grew more ambitious and took over.
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u/Annilus_USB 24d ago
One other possibility is that Joe might be Enzo’s descendant. Torrissi and Joe have a lot of the same facial features, and Joe does poke fun at Vito when he’s driving badly by saying “You drive like my grandmother!”. Leo might have put Joe in hiding both as a late favor to Enzo and to make sure no remnant of the Torrissi family finds out that he got Isabella to Empire Bay
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u/PracticalInflation45 24d ago
Enzo was devoted to santa barbara, it's not impossibile that Isabella changed her name in Isabella Barbaro in ellis Island. It's a theory
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u/xnobodyr 23d ago
Technically, here in Italy "You drive like my grandmother" it's a common joke, really common.
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u/wetlettuce42 23d ago
So Joe is Isabellas baby
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u/Significant-Tip6466 23d ago
I think Joe was born in '25. So isabellas grandchild most likely. Isabella was born in 1884.By her pregnancy she is 23. In '25 she would have been 41. Her baby would have been 18 which would not have been an uncommon pregnancy age in those days. Either that or she had Joe very late as a wonder child.
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u/Objective-District80 23d ago
Joe was born in september of 1924. means he was conceived at the end of 1923. isabella was pregnant in 1907. most likely gave birth in 1908. so joes father would have been 15 years old ?
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u/Significant-Tip6466 23d ago
Slight correction Joe's birthday is March 6 1924...
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u/Objective-District80 23d ago
Which means his father/mother must have had sex in july of 1923
When isabella was pregnant in summer of 1907, her father wanted an abortion, she can’t be higher than in her 3rd month of pregnancy then? That’s why she probably gave birth in 1908
1908 to 1923 is 15 years. Maybe Isabella got a girl and because they ran out of money she had to child prostitue and Joe grew up without a father. Might explain some of his traits
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u/BaronvonJobi 17d ago
Because they wanted to shit on Mafia 2’s ending.
I’m taking it as non-cannon.
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u/YogurtclosetFew8487 24d ago
It's 99.99999% Joe, but where has it been officially confirmed? I've never heard or seen anything official. Do you have any examples? I'd be interested to see.
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u/NightFuryToni 24d ago
Mafia's developer Twitter account strongly hinted at it, and the game texture files literally named "Joe".
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u/Newbeginnings414 24d ago
It would’ve been hilarious if he looked at Vito and was like “what are you scared asshole???” 💀💀💀.
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u/Billofrights_boris 24d ago
Is that the best you got? Hahaow you're in trouble
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u/Newbeginnings414 24d ago
You shoot like my sister
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u/Newbeginnings414 24d ago
Come on, let’s go! Chop, chop
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u/Haunting-Doubt137 24d ago
Hahaha Bingo
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u/darkyalexa 23d ago
Kinda said I played Mafia 2 in English only once. The rest of the times I played it in Czech because I'm Czech so I didn't get as much enjoyment outta all these quotes as I would've liked
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u/EmuAccomplished1759 24d ago
My only thing is in mafia 3 there’s no way that Joe doesn’t know that Vito is alive. Especially if you gave all the districts to him. Even though Joe is just a driver I’m sure he does more than just driving Leo around.
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u/DevelopmentOutside24 24d ago
The only way to know would be a real Mafia 4 which would either be centered on that or in any case on the rise of Leo after Mafia 2 or direct references. But for the moment we remain in the dark, it's frustrating
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u/Competitive_Hat8351 23d ago
I don’t think there was a ‘rise of Leo after Mafia 2’ as I think he was already at the top. It would be good maybe for a post Mafia:TOC on the rise of Leo but I’m not convinced it would make a great story.
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u/DevelopmentOutside24 23d ago
I admit I may have expressed myself badly, I mainly wanted to say centered on this period, and he was at the top yes and no there were assassinations sponsored against him he had to fall back to better come back after the events of mafia 2
a lot of things changed after the Second World War or even the Cold War must have had consequences on business.
We don't see all that in Mafia 3 because Lincoln is not part of this world, he makes it his own.
Whatever happens, I consider that there should be a real conclusion to the story of Vito and Joe, whether it is through a final adventure or suggested by the text (this would be the most logical given that they have aged).
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u/NorthPermission1152 21d ago
Maybe he knew Vito was alive, it was just that Vito didn't know Joe was alive.
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u/Kyokono1896 24d ago
Weird how he doesn't speak
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24d ago
why would he? he’s a driver for leo, nothing more. it would be disrespectful.
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u/Kyokono1896 24d ago
last time i checked he was a made fuckin guy
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24d ago
He was a made guy in a separate family. It could be the case in this family but we don’t know.but i don’t get why joe would speak in this conversation. he wasn’t spoken to and the convo wasn’t even relevant to him.
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u/Kyokono1896 24d ago edited 24d ago
Thats not how that works. Once you're a made guy, you're a made guy. That's why families can't go killing members of other families.
You're recognized across the whole thing. He could have said something like "see ya later kid." Just so we knew it was him
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24d ago
that’s not true at all. in some cases. if you were made in Italy you weren’t made in the states. it’s completely different.
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u/_NosaCostra_ 24d ago
This. Nicky Scarfo Jr went from being a made member in the Philidelphia Crime family over to the Luccheses. Can and does happen. Italy to America or vice versa is a whole other thing. And they have completely different ways of doing things.
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u/Geraltpoonslayer 24d ago
That is true but not all the truth. A Italian made guy wouldn't be viewed necessarily as made in the US, however he would be treated with the respect and dignity that would come with being made, and same vice versa. However everything I've ever heard about being made in the US is that regardless where it happened (Chicago, vegas, new York) you're considered made in all of the US.
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u/Kyokono1896 23d ago
That's not what we're talking about. Remember when Henry came over to Carlo's family? He didn't have to get made again. Oncs you're made you're made
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u/Riggaberto 24d ago
Yes Mafia 3 reveals that Joe managed to escape the car at the end of Mafia 2 by cracking a dude’s eye socket and knocking out his front teeth
What makes his fate unclear is the official cover story for his death in Chicago. It’s stated he fled there for help from associates but they turned on him and killed him. They reportedly cut his hands off and smashed his face in, making him unrecognizable. This is more than likely where had Leo stepped in to help
It’s clear the injuries of the man who got killed were to make the body unidentifiable, therefore covering up that Joe is alive. Galante must’ve found and struck a deal with Joe to help him fake his death. In return Joe would seemingly be forever in servitude to Leo and not allowed to contact ever Vito again
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u/BalticSeaMan- 24d ago
Well either that or the story was entirely made up to stop Vito from looking for Joe.
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u/DevelopmentOutside24 24d ago
I would lean more towards inventing a story to erase his name from discussions
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u/Riggaberto 24d ago
This is true, we can’t really trust much about the story since Joe is alive. That being said it does give a bit to think about, who were the associates Joe had in Chicago?
Could be someone we’ve never met, or it could be someone we know of like Eddie. This opens up some possibilities on who the unidentified body could be, or it could all be made up by Leo who knows. Maybe the next main line game could explore this?
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u/rweston10 24d ago
Has it actually been confirmed that it's him? Bc just a few months ago the same question was asked ans people weren't sure.
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u/bavinator34 24d ago
he’s just looking at lincoln and knowing he wouldn’t park his car in this neighborhood
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u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade 24d ago
I hate that they separated them. Woulda been an amazing side series to see Joe and Vito team up one more time to take down the vinci family and end the mafia 2 loose ends.
Joe the legend turned car chaufer for Leo
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u/DevelopmentOutside24 24d ago
As said above, the two bros together are too dangerous, they would have destroyed the mafias
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u/CDHmajora 24d ago
Mot to mention, they just keep fucking up everything.
Everyone deal they do together, something goes wrong. Someone survives to point the finger (the irish in the jewelery store for example. Led to them burning down Vito’s house later) and more families/gangs get dragged into the crossfire (their deal with the chinese and subsequent massacre got Vinci and Falcone into near war with them. And the FBI caught wind of it too).
Vito and Joe are amazing Soldato’s. They will do what they are told if you pay them for it. But they are also not leadership material. They cant plan successfully and don’t pay attention to the after-effects of their actions. Keeping them around for their strengths as soldiers is a smart move. Ut keep them together and they will start edging out again and fucking stuff up.
Keeping them apart is smart. Cruel. But smart. Maybe one day when older, they can reunite. But even by 69, Vito especially is still shown to be hotblooded and impulsive. Him pairing up with an enabler like Hoe again, would just cause trouble for the Mob at large.
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u/BasementCatBill 24d ago
Huh. I'd never made that connection, but now you point it out!
I've often wondered why that particular goon had such a lingering camera shot, and now it all makes sense.
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u/Dominusfr 24d ago
I kinda wish they killed him tho, that's what I originally thought when I finished mafia 2 and it was genuinely a perfect ending to me
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u/RoadG13 24d ago
It is Joe and Joe is Lincoln's bio father
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u/FlatwormOne5081 23d ago
Sure because he left empire Bay in 1945 but why would he go to New Bordeaux of all places?
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u/notusingthisbtw 23d ago
I think so yes, I hate that tho because his death was so impactful to mafia 2 and just for him to be a fake out is so ass
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u/WhatAreYouSaying05 23d ago
It’s him, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. Why would Leo let Joe live? The deal was that Vito could live if he killed Falcone. At no point was Joe included in that. Leo didn’t really know him like that. It just doesn’t make sense to spare him. In real life, if a deal like that was made, then Joe just would’ve been murdered
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u/MatthewCMcGahey 24d ago
It’s Joe. Joe is the grandchild to Isabella and enzo, Leo knew this and looked after him.
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u/thecupojo3 23d ago
It’s crazy they gave the character with the most memorable, iconic voice a silent cameo.
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u/twisty_tomato 23d ago
I think it’s confirmed to be him, I kinda wish joe didn’t come back though. I feel it makes the ending of mafia 2 less impactful.
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u/JordanJustReddit 23d ago
Would love a Mafia game that continues Joes' and Vito's story. I think maybe something to tell the end of their stories. Keeping it open ended like that is really cool too but these characters are the only protagonists in Mafia that stay alive and active. Lincoln is another story obviously Mafia 3 didnt get received well. Joe and Vito are iconic though. Something I always say is: Mafia 1 has the best Mafia STORY the hooks, the complete-ness of it all feels very neat, Mafia 2 has the best missions/gameplay. The story is good dont get me wrong but its all very open ended, Vito and Joe both appear in Mafia 3 without eachother but I think it would be cool to have them reunited in old age atleast in some way.
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u/Cyborg_Avenger_777 23d ago
Leo Galante: “Sorry, kid. Joe wasn’t part of our deal.”
Also Leo Galante: “Hey Joe, wanna work for me?”
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u/FatWhitekid20 23d ago
Yo i 100% thought they went to kill Joe in the 2nd game, he’s one of my favorite characters tbh so im glad to hear that he isnt dead
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u/Mr-MiB-1993 22d ago
It could be possibly in Mafia 3 you can do some quests for Vito to find out what happened to Joe and it didn’t end very well for him. Apparently some gangsters caught him and tortured him and killed him.
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u/solidussnekz 22d ago
Basically Joe was supposed to die in mafia 2 but it was retconed In mafia 3 so fans could be happy I guess
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u/demonofthewindycity 20d ago
Nobody has answered or linked this: has 2K games or any of the game writers outright said that dude is Joe? And if they have could you please provide a link?
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u/JackDauso 19d ago
The writers of 2 and 3 are not the same guys. So i personally dont think mafia 3 is canon
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u/Artifex1979 24d ago
It would be very cool to see Vito and Joe meet or work together in the next Mafia game.
Imagine this:
You play as a character moving through the ranks in Vito and Joe's organization in a 1970s Vegas-like city, and find out about this plot to take them down from the inside -- but there are connections of the betrayer with outside forces -- another family wants what Vito and Joe have.
So Vito reaches his friend Lincoln Clay and Lincoln's connection, Donovan, and working with all four of them, the player brings himself to the spotlight and in the end, he has to make a choice: side with Vito and Joe, or bring them down and rule in their place as part of the other family.
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u/Natural_Street7771 24d ago
Confirmed in every which way, yes.