r/Morocco Visitor 4d ago

Society Illegal immigration and its repercussions

This summer I did a road trip thru Europe and happened to be in Italy for the last few days, context-wise Im Moroccan and look like it (beard etc). And I noticed the first days that whenever I was walking down the street minding my own business people would cross the road every time they saw me, at first I didn’t really think about it and it was pretty funny, but earlier today I was at a smoke shop speaking English and I was making conversation everything was going good till the moment he asked me where I was from, when I told him I saw the deception in his face and the mood was weird he wasn’t open to discussion anymore and I remembered that throughout my trip I kept seeing immigrants wreaking havoc and harassing people, I’m not talking just about our Moroccans but they are part of the issue too and it’s really sad Im used to go to Italy and people were very nice to me but unfortunately it feels like we are not welcome anymore even if we come like everyone else with a visa and our money, immigration destroyed Europe it created a climate of insecurity and u can feel it, and even tho I am Moroccan I feel safer in my Tangier than here in Milan and it’s very unfortunate, this place was good safe welcoming and beautiful and I feel that it’s unfair that a minority screwed our image in their minds. Edit : I see that you use the word hargawa and honestly u shouldn’t, they are human beings just like us but they didn’t have the same opportunities and means to study or grow stop categorizing people cause they can do they same about you saying kilimini or else which is reductive, we are all people from the same country we shouldn’t create a division or worst feel superior to any of our people because we had the chance to study and be what we are today (this is fitna)

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u/Agrio_Myalo Casablanca 4d ago

Growing in poverty doesn't justify baing an asshole, thief, rapist...

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u/Commercial_Air1480 Visitor 4d ago

People in Southeast Asia grow up far poorer but are super nice.

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u/teeqk0i Tangier 2d ago

we should stop making excuses to hrgawa

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u/Ok_Casss Visitor 2h ago

exactly this

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u/_warmaid010 4d ago

I understand where this perception comes from. I was in Italy recently and got sexually harassed by Moroccans in two different cities, and I was with my family. It’s sad because I can see why people start looking at us moroccans with suspicion, even if not all of us are like that.

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u/Serious_Standard_965 Visitor 4d ago

Omfg i was discussing this issue with a Portuguese guy 4h ago and it literally infuriated me cuz he was OBVIOUSLY right. Its even more disgusting how those “hrgawa” film their barbaric and uncivilized behaviors and actions then proceed to post them on social media thinking that they look slick n dope whereas theyre just making the situation even worse by letting more ppl know about this calamity.

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u/Snoo-me Visitor 4d ago

Time for EU to secure their borders

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u/ApprehensiveScene349 Visitor 4d ago

Too late for that.

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u/ozaqi Visitor 4d ago

And kick all the trash outside

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u/proffesional_failure Tangier 3d ago

Yes but elsewhere we don’t want them back here

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u/Aeriuxa 4d ago

Who would they blame for their failures then ? Do you think their leaders have the people's best interest at heart ? You guys are so naive, and would always pick a fight between one another, smh.

Same thing is happening here btw, just give it some time, the lack of originality is suffocating.

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u/War_necator 3d ago

What do you mean who would they blame? illegal immigrants in Europe do cause massive security issues. This isn’t infighting it’s just true and we shouldn’t be accepting of those people in our community.

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u/Individual-Let4874 Visitor 3d ago

And send everybody home 🙏

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u/Symbiose10 Visitor 4d ago edited 1d ago

The only way for honest hard working immigrants to be respected and accepted in Europe is to throw out of Europe all these uneducated, disrespectful and thugs quickly.

Europe also should stop giving their passports like hot buns, it loses all meaning and makes it impossible to kick people out.

I am not advocating for the far right, because they are fueled by hate and racism, but the left need to realize this is a ticking time bomb and do something.

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u/ClickBeginning6279 Visitor 1d ago

The left is fueled by immigrant chaos. They NEVER tackle the issue

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u/Particular-Employ-30 Visitor 1d ago

Because the right did a great job at reducing immigration right? Englands looking great

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u/Minimum-Hold-9985 Chi grima a Simo. 4d ago

Yeah our reputation in Europe is tarnished thanks to hargawa li “lblad ma3tathomch” I noticed the same thing when I visited several countries in Europe. People in trains would give me weird looks, old ladies clutching their purses lol and it’s funny because I would never touch something that’s not mine.

Europeans always claim that Americans are racist but I’ve lived in America before and traveled a lot in the states and I’ve never felt any type of racism. Always been treated with kindness, most Americans don’t even know what Morocco is when I tell them where I’m from.

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u/Full_Committee6967 Visitor 4d ago

Funny story that you reminded me of.

A business associate that I know is far from under educated and far from stupid. He's just not well traveled. He's always working. He knows that I spend four to five months in Morocco every year. He asked me how I can afford that because he heard Morocco is very expensive and filled with rich people? I had no idea what he was talking about. No. It's actually pretty cheap to go out for dinner and to travel within the country.

"Does it get expensive during the Formula races?" "What? Wait. Are you talking about Monaco?" "Different place?" 🤦

But what you say is true. I was ready for some problems when my wife came here. We live in a very rural county. 20km from the nearest grocery store. We've had zero issues with any racism.

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u/leskny 4d ago edited 4d ago

yeah my uncles moved to the US in the 80s, and told me people would confuse Morocco with Monaco - not anymore I guess, never happened to me.

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u/Sensitive-Dish-7770 Visitor 4d ago

I believe you, because, I swear it happened to me too haha.

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u/ankaramesimesimesi Visitor 4d ago

literally being scared, clutching to your belongings, is racism? No it's not. lol. They were also talking normally until he said he's Moroccan.

I'd also bet that some of those people at home brag about their inclusivity, but let's leave that for another day.

It's normal instinct when you don't have experience, needless to say that Moroccans have good people among them like some of my friends I have trusted with my life, but you really have a much higher %, compared to Europeans, of scummy types, at least among those that come to Europe.

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u/Ecstatic-Deer-7250 4d ago

Scummy types (from morocco) are being manufactured right there in Europe by failed integration not here in Morocco…

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u/ankaramesimesimesi Visitor 4d ago edited 4d ago

Whose fault is that? Cause Romanian, Albanian even, Filipino, Ethiopian (regional thing), Chinese migrants act in an much smaller % like that. My hands and feet aren't enough to count the amount of Moroccans who have brought knives to fights. lol

edit: but overall no, it's not true. had Moroccans have had the same % scummy people as Italians, the phrase "A girl was approached alone by a sketchy guy, It's Casa I know what happens" like I have read 6 months ago or so here about a guy saving a girl, wouldn't exist. But this is just a dumb example.

I found the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Morocco/comments/1kb41r5/she_didnt_said_thank_u/

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u/Ecstatic-Deer-7250 4d ago

If I judged all Europeans by the sex tourists who come to Morocco looking for kids, you'd call me racist

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u/Loudmouthlurker Visitor 4d ago

I think a big difference, though, is that these sex tourists are only there briefly and can't take over entire towns/cities. Countries should absolutely start arresting these sex pests and most Westerners would be happy to see them jailed. That would certainly stop the phenomenon. But immigration, legal and illegal, is starting to make the economy very bad for young Europeans. They can't afford housing, are on long waiting lists for any medical care they need, and it's just unsustainable. Add the migrant crime into the mix and you can see how people are starting to sour.

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u/ankaramesimesimesi Visitor 4d ago

you've said it better than me lol. As a 20yo, this situation here which just keeps worsening instead of improving, is terrible and has made me choose to leave. I'll pay my taxes to whoever jails criminals and doesn't allow their country to turn to crap, even with migrants. 

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u/Loudmouthlurker Visitor 3d ago

Even Ice Cube evolved from "F*ck Da Po-lice" to "Fund The Po-lice." I'm near a particularly infamous American city, and a lot of us wish we could be annexed by Bukele.

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u/ankaramesimesimesi Visitor 4d ago edited 4d ago

If stats back it up you can say that we do it in a higher % in Morocco and it's not being racist. I didn't judge all Moroccans did I? higher percentage, and mainly* applies to the Moroccans already here in Europe. nor would you judge all Euros by saying that. it's really that simple. 

also, read my edit, but I can repost it here.

*mainly with exception, it's a little higher even in Morocco. :

edit: but overall no, it's not true. had Moroccans have had the same % scummy people as Italians, the phrase "A girl was approached alone by a sketchy guy, It's Casa I know what happens" like I have read 6 months ago or so here about a guy saving a girl, wouldn't exist. But this is just a dumb example.

I found the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Morocco/comments/1kb41r5/she_didnt_said_thank_u/

wanna know how often this happens in Italy? the closest to 0 after Japan and Taiwan. least women killed in Europe. etc etc.

Guess what, people from different cultures and backgrounds are different. even Italians vs French.

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u/Far-Ground1927 Visitor 4d ago

stats won't back you up, they're far from what hergawa do in Europe

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u/Far-Ground1927 Visitor 4d ago

doesn't really matter because people will only remember they're moroccan

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u/Loudmouthlurker Visitor 4d ago

I'm not super patriotic or anything, but that's one thing I do love about the US. We're friendly as can be. Tourists are often surprised by how friendly people are even in New York City, where they were warned people are mean. They're not! They can be a little dangerous, but never mean or icy. Just not as sweet and happy as other states.

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u/peachesandcream111 Visitor 2d ago

Yes..those hargawas cannot act in the US like they do in Europe because americans do not take and tolerate abuse and are armed and ready to use it.

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u/Present_Quantity_400 Visitor 4d ago

We send our brightest students, but we also send the worst hargawa. It's understandable to be suspicious when you don't know what you are dealing with.

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u/joanaloxcx Visitor 3d ago

But the irony is that we are Africans as well, and before any of you come at me we have Amazigh and Subsaharan heritage. It is like cursing oneself.

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u/XgamerserX Casablanca 4d ago

i live in germany and i feel very relaxed saying come from morocco. but in italy i often say im from germany simply because i expect to (and fairly) be looked down upon if im moroccan. i cant blame italians because i would do the same if i was in their shoes

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u/LivingRoll8762 Visitor 4d ago

Moroccons are few here in Germany. I know some Guys just studying here and just minding their business. They’re nice and very introverted. Nice people. There are others that cause problems.

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u/Individual-Let4874 Visitor 3d ago

The best country for Moroccan is Belgium. There are tones of them 😂  

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u/weirddudewithabow Visitor 4d ago

European here, illegal immigration is destroying our countries. I'm sad that honnest citizens from Morroco and other Arabs countries have to pay the consequences of the behaviour of immigrants here, and the campains of alt right and alt left politicians. Racism is rising at a terrifying rate, but it is mostly a reaction to the behaviour of immigrants. I honestly fear civil war in the future. It seems to me like the way our immigration management system is built attract criminals from other countries way more than students. I can't even say what I just said without being called racist in my country (by white european mostly of course...) but it's the sad reality, the streets of our big cities are not safe anymore, especially for young women.

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u/Doyled4 Visitor 4d ago

Couldn’t agree anymore. My girlfriend is Moroccan. She came to Ireland to study and her friend tried to come at the same time but her friends visa application was turned down. They both had batchelors, masters degrees and same money in their account. Yet we have people now with criminal records, no passport or any documentation given entry with open arms

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u/foreverYoungster13 Visitor 1d ago

French prisons are full of North Africans with French nationality... it's not just illegal immigration that causes recurring problems... The expression “French Arabic” was not born by undocumented immigrants… but by “bi-nationals” being Italian, I can tell you that when we see France we don’t want that in Italy…

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u/CinnamonSprinkle22 Visitor 4d ago edited 4d ago

I’m Italian, and I know quite a few Moroccans personally. Honestly, they’re some of the kindest, most welcoming, and respectful people I’ve met and I love the culture. A lot of them really appreciate Italy and give back in a positive way, they work hard, share their culture in a beautiful way, and many Italians enjoy that and are curious to learn more.

The truth is, there are good and bad people everywhere. The bigger problem is that immigration here in Italy feels harder and harder to manage. Also thanks to a bad management and a bad imagine our politicians give (it’s disgusting tbh). But sometimes it looks like certain people aren’t coming to work or build a life, but instead because they believe Europe is some kind of paradise where you can do nothing, get money, and hang around causing trouble, harassing women, making fool of themselves on trains (they even record themselves as they’re proud). That obviously creates tension, as they always specify they’re Moroccan. Again, they’re proud of their actions for some reason. For example, the other day I saw a video of a group of Moroccan guys throwing water around on a train, stuff like that obviously leaves a bad impression. And unfortunately, yes, 80/90% of the time when these situations happen, it does tend to be Moroccan guys, often blasting that maryoul music and obv that creates a stereotype… This isn’t just about Moroccans, but since most of the immigration to Italy is from North Africa, they often end up being the focus. The “good ones” don’t make it to the news so that’s all people hear and see unfortunately…

I’m honestly sorry that such a beautiful country and people end up being distorted by these stereotypes and by the behavior of a small minority. It’s unfair, but I guess that’s why the bad stares or prejudice happen, which still aren’t justified in any case so I’m sorry that was the case for you in Italy!

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u/IvanMakesArt Visitor 4d ago

Your women dont feel safe in in your own country and you are surprised why foreigners are worried about culture you bring with you? I am not aiming this at you specifically, but a random passer by doesnt have your biography with them to know what to expect! Its like saying minority of men attack women but women shouldnt be wary of every man, yes they should. Btw i am a man

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u/Public-Rip8077 Visitor 4d ago

Then your country acts the exact same way towards sub Saharan African migrants. It’s just how the world works. People who migrate are typically poor, people who are poor typically grew up in worse environments, people tend to remember bad experiences more then good ones and generalize due to laziness

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u/majorhitch89 Visitor 4d ago

Then deport them all (the illegal Moroccans in Europe and the illegal Subsaharans in Morocco), I see no difference between the two cases, no one is entitled to immigration, it's something earned and given by the hosts willingly.

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u/Public-Rip8077 Visitor 3d ago

Absolutely, illegal immigration is honestly one of the biggest issues in the world right now

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u/HenryThatAte Self Declared Sub Psychologist 4d ago

In countries like Belgium and the Netherlands 60% of the prisson population is Morroccan

Any source on that?

The Belgian justice department says 8%

https://justice.belgium.be/sites/default/files/Chiffres%20annuels%202022%20Etablissements%20pénitentiaires%20.pdf

https://www.rtbf.be/article/du-controle-jusqu-a-la-sortie-de-prison-pourquoi-40-des-detenus-belges-sont-des-etrangers-11351911

I know Moroccans make a mess in Europe, and I witnessed it, but no need to invent figures that are clearly unbelievable.

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u/sinkpisser1200 Visitor 4d ago

My apologies, you are right. It is not 60%. I read the stats wrong. Its hard to find correct % because governments like to hide as not to put more gasoline on the fire. It seems to be closer to 15%, for 2.2 % of the population. I am not sure when people are counted as moroccan heritage according the stats. Of the morrocan men age between 16 and 65 years age in Amsterdam, over 60% have a criminal record.

The guys that behave this bad are also very visible and loud starting from a young age. For that reason most people are more than suspicious towards moroccan men, causing a vicious circle where a lot of good people struggle to find a decent job.

Its really a sad situation where the good people suffer from bad behaviour of a minority in their ethnic group. Moroccans who speak up about the problems get into trouble for "hanging out the dirty laundry".

This is the 3rd generation living in a parallel society, and things keep getting worse. Many Moroccans want to live a normal life like everyone else. But the friction with the rest of the countries make it very hard, and they see their children get sucked into the same problems they had growing up.

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u/Important_Fall_2601 4d ago

I disagree with u saying these ppl didnt have the means to study and we shldnt call theem hergawa etc... , we have public schools where everyone gets access to education, wrah kaynin tbarkellah likaywslo b3id mnhom, but have u ever been to a public school? If uve been to one u will know that most of the boys there don't give a damn about education and start disrupting the system disrespecting the teachers harassing their girl classmates wi3tiwha ltahergawit wkha flmdrassa, but I beg to question why girls don't act the same? These boys grow up in an entitled mindset just because they were born male and we r in a heavily patriarchal society, why don't immigrants from subsaharan countries who grew up in even less opportunities and more poverty act that way? They are just hergawa and should be all put in prison, ure emmpathizing with them but u don't know what it's like being constantly harassed and terrorized by them especially in Tangier as a woman

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u/prosgan Visitor 4d ago

Man, that's a rough experience, and you're right to be frustrated. What's wild is that this isn't new at all. I lived in Europe 10 years ago and got the exact same treatment for being Moroccan. My older brother dealt with the same thing 15 years before me. This was long before the current migration "crisis" everyone talks about. It proves this has nothing to do with recent events. It’s the same old prejudice, they’ve just found a new scapegoat. And the whole "immigrants are wrecking Europe" line is just a narrative. The actual data shows immigrants contribute way more to the economy than they take and are not the source of crime waves people imagine. Honestly, you nailed it in your edit. Judging an entire group by the actions of a few is the real problem. Sucks you had to go through that.

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u/bogopatota Visitor 2d ago

CAP , statistics show that North Africans are more represented in European jails due to crime

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u/JCcome1comeall Visitor 4d ago

I don't believe it's a healthy approach to life to stereotype. A person can be rich and is a rapist. A person can be poor and would never touch what does not belong to them. Black, white, brown — it doesn't make you any less or more suspicious. If someone is crossing the street because they saw you walking that sounds like they are heavily influenced by politicians who took an approach that sadly would leave them behind soon. They may gain popularity for a moment but as soon as they implement what they say, they'll quickly realize they jeered at the whole group instead of being wiser to see individuals for who they are. I have no doubt that many immigrants made a big problem in Europe. They came illegally and stayed under false pretenses, and some did a lot of really horrible crimes. I am not a fan of illegal anything because whether directly or indirectly it hurts innocent people. I really wish for law enforcement and the judicial system to have more resources.

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u/Negative_Way9795 Rabat 4d ago

I had kind of a similar experience in Rome last year, people weren’t crossing the road when seeing us but they would stare a lot. There was a mixed race guy with us and the guy working in the gelateria actually refused to serve him and completely ignored him when he tried to talk. I noticed that in Italy and France people are much more susceptible and racist… In Spain it was quite the opposite, I was surprised

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u/bogopatota Visitor 2d ago

Gotta ask yourself why???

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u/Negative_Way9795 Rabat 2d ago

Hmm why?

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u/run_and_hide_I Marrakesh 4d ago

Italians are like that. Spanish sometimes act too. Can't blame them nor can I condone their act. But strangely. I have found that portuguese one of the most intelligent nice people, they're against immigrants and they'd still treat u like anyother person despite you being an immigrant urself. It's like I don't want you to be here, I'd support to deport you, but it is what it is, how was ur day ? Let's have a coffee, talks to u about their life, personal problems like ure their only friend.

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u/knellAnwyll 4d ago

Where is that girl that thinks italy is heaven on earth? And in complete denial that her country is a failed state? Would love her to read this

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u/QualitySure Casablanca 3d ago

moroccan men and women aren't treated the same. You generally only see men complaining about racism.

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u/Brilliant-Taro4809 Visitor 23h ago

Tell that to the moroccan women wearing hijab, they are the number one target for physical target by racists here in Belgium and Holland

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u/tilmanbaumann They are taking our women 4d ago

Stereotypes exist for a reason. If you walk around certain hot spots in European cities you quickly get an opinion.

Where I live Afghan boys are a bigger problem. But the problem is still real.

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u/Sofotc Visitor 4d ago

This week-end i was in Paris to see my father who came for vacation, we went down to take the metro in Barbes area, and they were a bunch of guy roaming there and one did propos me a "sarukh", i'm a moroccan who did grow up in youssofia-takdoum but can you imagine a french personne seeing this, they will just assume that every moroccan is like that

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u/UnknownHelper111 Yoghurt Starter 4d ago

I agree with your post and at the same time we can't blame them (europeans) for their reactions. At some point, human beings generalize based on their experience. Sadly, those troublemakers also represent Morocco whether we like it or not.

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u/moe_khan123 Visitor 4d ago

Unvetted immigration is the problem, not Moroccans. I must say that because there is no means to illegally migrate to Canada, there has to be a process to be a resident of Canada. Thats why the Moroccans I have met here are wonderful and nice people, so its wild to me to hear the Moroccans in Europe are "problematic".

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u/QualitySure Casablanca 3d ago

you also can't go to canada by boat.

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u/Warfielf The Samsar Exterminator 3d ago

Everybody who look foreign is Moroccan to them

Conquesta ptsd

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u/fg_hj Visitor 3d ago

As a nothern European it’s really interesting to see this discussion from your side. I’m surprised people here are pro admitting that illegal immigrants cause problems and that Europe should guard itself more. Saying anything against immigrants is very controversial here despite people being racist in more subtle ways anyways. Better to just get it on the table and talk openly about whatever real or imagined problems are at hand.

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u/ObjectiveVisual3435 Visitor 3d ago

There is nothing surprising, the issues illegal migration are causing in Europe are plain to see for all, and the consequences befall all honest law-abiding North Africans, Middle Easterners, central Asians equally. The open door policy for refugees, with zero background checks, is mind-boggling to us. And frankly very irresponsible.

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u/KahwaNosNos 3d ago

Tbf, Italians tend to be mistrusting by nature. And I say this as a half Italian on my father's side. Being mixed I often get confused as Chinese and I still get negative interactions and racist insults even though Chinese immigrants aren't as disruptive. Ofc you do have a very valid point, however as an Italian I can say that people here aren't always the most accepting.

"Fidarsi è bene. Non fidarsi è meglio" (Trusting is good. Not trusting is better) is a popular saying here

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u/AHwasright88 Visitor 3d ago

the left's tendency to defend problematic behavior by attributing it to socioeconomic factors and racism ,leftist are cancer to every nation they rule

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u/Quiet_Cell_2460 Visitor 3d ago

The US set a precedent with ICE and the military. Could see the same in Europe at some point if the frustration boils and the people in power don’t mind pushing those buttons

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u/conspiracy_hunter Visitor 3d ago

harassment issues in the Uk

Just showing some data from a different country in Europe

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u/Psychological-Elk948 Visitor 3d ago

Im moroccan ( BRITISH BORN) and ive had the exact same experience. Everywhere i go in italy spain portugal france its the same , italy was really bad, ive had so many issues with people, even screaming at me for no reason, i almost destroyed an italian train staff membet for shouting and embarrqsing me for not wearing a mask i didnt know i needed, then i thight thr last thing i want is to be in jail in italy. The haraga have mad things very difficult, but remember this goes back further thqn Haraga, this goes back to the ear when moroccan Goumiers fought against germans in italy and supppseldy committed mass atrocities. Look up Marochinate

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u/Material-Sentence-84 Visitor 2d ago

Supposedly… there’s plenty of evidence mate.

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u/thoughtson237 Visitor 3d ago

Uncontrolled migration has ruined life for everyone else (African) living in or just wanting to visit Europe. The sad thing is, it's not easy for the average European to tell the difference.

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u/garlictahini Visitor 2d ago

Don't blame illegal immigrants and dishonest people from your country, Algeria and other Muslim migrants embracing crime and Salafism in Europe, we can not blame them because they didn't make nothing wrong, at least not at all.

Who I do blame are the European people supporting the governments we have right now like in Spain, allowing all those illegals and criminals stay in European land without consequences.

I have faith in God that Europe will change to the right soon and start with massive deportations and death penalty for the ones not identifying themselves to avoid deportation.

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u/ElectronicRefuse2876 Visitor 2d ago

i live in tunisia and we have a lot of african immigrants same as u do ofc. they( black africans that speak french) used to be treated normally but now people really hate them and i mean they really do cuz they fucked shit up. now, african college students, workers, tourist are treated badly as well. i was scrolling on tunisian subreddit and i read that a taxi driver(in tunis) saw a young african women, well dressed up(surely a college student) standing trying to get a taxi. he stopped reversed back asked her where she's going, she replied in french so he spat on her face and drove away laughing. our people are wrecking havoc there, u shouldn't be surprised. a side note: a tunisian was shot dead today in france cuz he stabbed 5 people and the reason for that: he didn't pay rent they kicked him out, came back the next day and started stabbing

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u/8798haha Visitor 2d ago

In America if you are down bad, you have no choice but to pick things up. In Europe, you can just move into the enclave and sit and collect. Bad policies that seem to have been designed to create the mess we have today.

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u/Ornery-Ad-8665 Visitor 1d ago

Some migrants in Europe behave terribly (look up per capita rape statistics). An Afghan is 22 times more likely to commit rape than a British person. Migrants are increasingly viewed with fear and suspicion. Unfortunate for decent migrants. 

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u/SnooGiraffes6952 Visitor 1d ago

As always, another day of Moroccans thinking that one day they will be considered white if they denounce others. Like, what the fuck is this? Instead of fueling reactionary anti-immigrant sentiment, you should defend their humanity, because they don’t migrate to poison the white blood of Europeans, they just want better prospects and a future they can’t find in their home countries because of poverty and also because of the destabilization that those Western countries engage in via their bloody interventions, it’s that simple.

No amount of denouncing the “bad Moroccan” will make you the “good Moroccan.” At the slightest disagreement you will return to the status of the “primitive bad brown Muslim,” that’s how this works. Most Muslims, including Moroccans in the West, are left-leaning like all minorities and champion left/liberal causes, but they are always seen as conservative by those people, to the point that they coined the term islamo-gauchisme for them.

So just drop the idea that you will always be considered the “good Moroccan.” It never has, and it never will, work.

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u/Majestic_Oil_3944 Visitor 1d ago

How is ‘wreaking havoc and harassing people’ just ‘wanting better prospects and a future they can’t find in their home countries’ ? I agree that only hyperfixating on illegal immigrants and not holding grown people accountable for CHOOSING to generalise everyone they meet based on ethnicity is wrong, but they are obviously talking about a specific kind of people which you are not referring to.

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u/Street_Ad_7699 Visitor 18h ago

I'm moroccan born in italy and still live here. he is not talking about moroccans that immigrate, work, study etc. He's talking about the ones that commit crimes. As a moroccan it saddens me to say it but despite our men being a minority in this country I have been cat called more times by them than by any other group of men. The thing about is italy is that they have a lot of programs that help poor people, most of them if they wanted to work they would but they chose to be criminals. I see many young moroccan men who are born here or came here when they were young who could have finished their school for free, university is also free if you have a low income and u can also get a scholarship which they'd qualify for, they could get jobs working manual jobs if they struggle with school yet they chose to do nothing, some of them spend their days making tiktoks rage baiting the locals saying they will conquer italy and that they dont work and hate italy. Now imagine if u had immigrants in Morocco who were given the chance to study for free and work and all they do is harass your sister, mother on the street, commit crimes like stealing, stabbings and then brag about hating Morocco on TikTok. OFC not every moroccan is like this, however it's enough (still a minority) to create controversiality. People are always going to be racist no matter what but for example people from the Philippines here arent labeled badly or hated on because u never hear about them on the news, they come here and work and commit no crime

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u/Ok_Casss Visitor 2h ago

totally agree

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u/Aromatic_Acadia_8104 Visitor 4d ago

It’s not just teenage stuff. The statistics are very clear in Europe. In many countries the jails are full of Moroccans, despite being a small minority.