r/Music • u/imatmydesknow Concertgoer • 5d ago
music Slipknot enters Spotify's 1 Billion streams club with "Duality"
https://lambgoat.com/news/49390/slipknot-enters-spotifys-1-billion-streams-club-with-duality/134
u/labria86 5d ago
I don't even like slipknot but at least 200 of those Spotify streams were me listening to duality.
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
“I know you just said you don’t like Slipknot and have listened to this song 200 times but I’m going to tell you that you are wrong and act like you don’t know why you don’t like Slipknot”
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u/KoukiVibes 5d ago
I never said they were wrong. Maybe that person hasn't listen to other songs.
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u/labria86 5d ago
I have actually. Probably 20-30 of their songs. And I also just really love Rick Rubin. That's part of my love for Duality. Watch Rick Beatos breakdown of it. I do like some of their other stuff ok. But if I'm gonna go heavy I'm choosing Animals as leaders or Thrice or something like that. Slipknot is too straightforward sometimes for me.
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u/KoukiVibes 5d ago
I like Thrice, I never heard of Animals as Leaders, I'm going to listen to a some of their songs. Any recommendations?
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u/labria86 5d ago
It's all instrumental with the lead guitar taking place as the vocal melody. Physical educational is the easiest to intro into. It's the popiest song they have probably. CAFO is more chaotic but interesting. Ectogenesis is really cool too.
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u/That_ben 4d ago
On Impulse.
I think the first AAL album is the best of the lot but it’s just Tosin and his producer I believe not the band as we know it who are all phenomenal players.
I’d recommend watching some playthroughs on YouTube too if you like/play guitar. Tosin Abasi is one of the greats, he’s a big reason there’s so many tappy, slappy 8 string players now
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
I doubt it but maybe haha would think that’s a point you make to someone closer to you than a random stranger as It seems a bit rude but really I’m just teasing, no real harm done. There are worse comments in this thread.
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u/KoukiVibes 5d ago
Whoops. I didnt know i came out as rude.
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
Like barely if that, just maybe could’ve been worded differently. All good tho!
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u/ToXiChRoNiC6669 5d ago
Ballparking them probably would've been helpful though since Slipknot has a few different vibes. If they're a fan of Duality, Scissors will probably scare the living shit out of them, where the more radio friendly stuff like Psycosocial would be in the ballpark of Duality. Haha. If they like Duality, Vol. 3 is probably the best place to start and then forward.
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
I don’t know why this stuff gets me but why do you think someone who listens to duality will get scared the everliving shit out of them?
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u/Philboyd_Studge 5d ago
Nice, bet they can't wait for their royalty check of $37.68
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u/TerrifierBlood 5d ago
They just sold their back catalog for $120 million actually
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u/CarBombtheDestroyer 4d ago
Ya that’s because the “37.68” they were getting from streams just wasn’t cutting it so they gave up ownership of their music…
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u/FudgingEgo 5d ago
1 billion streams is $5m.
Which is using RIAA's equivalent, would be the same as 330,000 CD's at $15.
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u/Philboyd_Studge 5d ago
see, thing about a joke is, it's often a wild exaggeration meant for comedic effect
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u/SecretTop1337 5d ago
It’s hyperbole, not a joke.
Jokes aren’t supposed to make sense, hyperbole is exaggeration to make a point.
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u/vajasonl 5d ago
Jokes aren’t supposed to make sense?
Joke: a: something said or done to provoke laughter especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b: the humorous or ridiculous element in something.
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u/Luppien 5d ago
People are big on Spotify hate recently, but even with their lower rates this rakes in a clean 3 to 5 million dollars. It's not all terrible, but it would be more at another service.
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u/SouthTippBass 5d ago
Great, now split that between the 9 members. Who else gets a slice?
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u/Moontoya 5d ago
Cough, 9 current members
Royalties can still go to former or deceased members
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u/SouthTippBass 5d ago
I stopped paying attention to the group after Iowa so I'd be out of the loop.
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u/Moontoya 5d ago
I think the guitarists and singer are the ogs remaining
Bassist, samples guy, two replacement drummers (Elroy is incredible and has revitalised their lives shows), clown retired (maybe unretired),
I've probably missed some
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u/Everestkid 5d ago
Only original original member left is Shawn Crahan (aka Clown). Even Corey Taylor isn't an original member, the original vocalist was Anders Colsefni, who was on the demo album put out prior to the self-titled debut.
Self-titled album had a different guitarist (forget his name), who was replaced with Jim Root - though Root played on Purity, which has been removed from most versions of the album due to a copyright infringement lawsuit. Mick Thompson, the other guitarist, has been in the band since at least the self-titled days.
As for the rest of the Iowa lineup (which was also the Vol 3 and All Hope is Gone lineup, thus the lineup that recorded Duality):
- Sid Wilson (turntablist) is still in the band, was also on the self-titled.
- Joey Jordison (drummer) and Paul Gray (bassist) are dead, as you mentioned.
- Chris Fehn (non-Clown percussion, occasional backing vocals) was fired in 2019 because of a royalties lawsuit. He was replaced with another guy, forget his name.
- Craig Jones (keyboards and samples) quit somewhat recently, as you mentioned.
So that's four guys still in the band from the first album, five from Iowa.
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u/Richie217 5d ago
I think Shawn and Corey are the only members with any actual power, rest of the band are sub contractors.
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u/SouthTippBass 5d ago
The group was definitely finished for me when Joey left. He was the band along with the singer.
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u/cross_mod 5d ago
Multiply that by about 2 for all of the other streamers and physical sales and they all get about 1 million. Plus publishing and mechanical royalty splits . Maybe about 1.5-2 million a piece.
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u/pzanardi 5d ago
Are you happy with Spotify?
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u/BackgroundPresence60 5d ago
Yes. I own the albums and listen to them on Spotify. They get 0 revenue when I listen from my albums and some minor amount from when I do so on Spotify.
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u/pzanardi 5d ago
Happy you're happy! I'm upset with them mostly because of their investment in Helsing. The artists I enjoy sell their albums directly or through their labels nowadays, so I like to do that. I know a lot of acts prefer you buy their stuff on Bandcamp or directly too.
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u/BackgroundPresence60 5d ago
I use Spotify as my method of listening even to things I already own. It might be greedy in some practices but it introduced me to more bands and albums than anything else ever did. And I certainly support those bands as best I can outside of Spotify.
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u/pzanardi 5d ago
I’m always hopeful for record stores to come back, thats a great way to discover music too! I’m lucky to be in a bigger city and have lots of music around. I used to surf mIRC radio chats for songs. I would recommend checking bandcamp! Same ease as Spotify, but money doesnt go to wars or deadly weaponry, yet!
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u/masterspeler 4d ago
Spotify hasn't invested in Helsing, so if that's your main concern feel free to stop being upset with them.
Daniel Ek, CEO and founder of Spotify, owns the investment Prima Materia company that has invested in Helsing. That's not the same thing as Spotify investing in them.
And I really don't understand the hate for them, I think it's good to support European defense companies considering what Russia is doing and seeing that the US explicitly has asked Europe to take a more active roll in our own defense.
Helsing was set up to build AI to serve our democracies and play a part in protecting them from harm. We share Helsing’s conviction that liberal democratic values are worth defending and that artificial intelligence will be an essential capability to keep us safe. The software gathers data from multiple sensors on vehicles and systems to help humans process complex and diverse information more reliably and act quickly.
Oh no, how terrible! Must change music streaming service immediately!
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u/pzanardi 4d ago
I’m sorry you’re upset I can make my own choices mate! Cheers.
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u/masterspeler 4d ago
You're the one who said you were upset, not me. I merely corrected your misunderstanding of the situation. Saying that Spotify has invested in Helsing is demonstrably false, but I really don't care if you make your choices on misunderstandings or lies. I'm sure they're all great choices backed by lots of research.
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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage 5d ago
$3-$5 million for a billion fucking streams is nonsense though. 5 million people buying the song as a single on itunes would get them in the ballpark of the same about of money, but every purchase would have to listen to the song 200 times for it to get to a billion.
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u/SuperSlims 5d ago edited 4d ago
If you are ever having a shitty day and are pissed off at the world. DILUTED is the song for you.
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u/ToXiChRoNiC6669 5d ago
Honestly, the songs before and after (No Life and then Only One after Diluted), are one of the heaviest, most chaotic trifectas in their entire discography. No Life is the doorway to unbridled chaos, Diluted is the perfect bridge continuing that chaos, and then Only One is a showcase of their versatility. Corey literally raps his ass off, and then it's just some of the hardest, in your face groove metal that even lifelong fans of Thrash, Punk and Death Metal can appreciate. Just my three cents. The second half of self-titled is some of my favorite chaotic music ever so I had to nerd out since you mentioned Diluted.
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u/SuperSlims 5d ago
You are absolutely right. I would argue that the entire self-titled album is "I'm pissed off at the world and I'm going to tell you", and I love that. Every time I find myself in a bad mood, I throw it on and by the end of Scissors, I'm in a much better mood. But Diluted has a special place in my heart. It just hits so close to home for me. I dunno, I just...feel that song on a spiritual level. And screaming "FUCK!" at the end of the song is so cathartic.
Anyway, thanks for nerding out. This is why music is called The Great Communicator haha
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u/wildcard18 5d ago
Huh, wouldn't have expected that song in particular to be their most popular.
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u/epileptic_pancake 5d ago
I would. It's one of their less heavy earlier songs. Carries much more mainstream appeal that about any song on their first three albums
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u/makemeking706 5d ago
Wait and Bleed did numbers on TRL.
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u/proboscisjoe 5d ago
I distinctly remember seeing Freak in a Leash for so many weeks straight on TRL, but having to watch Wait and Bleed on my computer. I didn’t realize it aired on television.
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u/makemeking706 5d ago
Maybe I am misremembering? I am old after all.
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u/proboscisjoe 5d ago
You could be right. I may have missed a narrow window of its appearance. Is the song had a run, that run was nothing like what Korn saw in the same year. That made TRL an after school ritual for me. 😂
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u/whichwitch9 5d ago
You are not; it was my favorite song for a bit so I noticed. I think it almost never got the full video played tho
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u/wildcard18 5d ago
Even on that same album, I wouldn't have thought that song to have hit the most mainstream appeal, that would've been been Before I Forget or even Vermilion for me.
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u/Vickd Spotify 5d ago
It's a catchy tune.
Dun dun dun - bink - dundun
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u/GallifreyFNM 4d ago
If you're in a room with a bunch of metalheads of a certain generation and whisper "I push my fingers into my..." you can pretty much guarantee a full singalong.
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u/epileptic_pancake 5d ago
Before I Forget definitely gets the guitar hero bump but it's much heavier than Duality. Vermillion I remember as being pretty popular at the time, it was on a couple movie soundtracks if I remember correctly. It doesnt seem to have had quite the staying power of the other two for some reason though
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u/labria86 5d ago
Duality being described as "less heavy" is crazy. But I get it 😅
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
What do you think “but I get it” means?
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u/N0penguinsinAlaska 5d ago
They are saying they understand why they are described as less heavy even though relative to other genres of music they are described as very heavy, they know this by having listened to both other genres of other music AND Slipknots songs.
… apparently you’re fucking stupid AND an asshole!
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u/space_guy95 5d ago
I would, it's probably one of their most radio playable songs and likely to be on many popular rock and metal playlists on Spotify. Many of their other top songs are firmly into the metal category with much heavier vocals and thus have significantly less mainstream appeal.
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u/icemonkey002 5d ago
I love some slipknot but I just never got Dualitys popularity. Like it's a decent song. Fine. But they have so many song that are leagues ahead of it.
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u/THEAdrian 5d ago
1st single off highly-anticipated album at the time (I remember seeing commercials for it on TV)
Insane music video
Beer keg
Insanely catchy chorus that uses on-pitch singing, and verses are basically spoken word/rapped so it's fun and easy to sing along to.
2004 is like, peak millennial bait
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u/nemojakonemoras 5d ago
Fuck Spotify. Thank you for your time.
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u/quibbelz 5d ago
If you hate spotify you must really hate how radio pays out.
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u/nemojakonemoras 5d ago
I live in Croatia; here we have other problems but essentially; radio pays good. There’s a private little kartel happening but - the ones that get airplay, those are solid.
Spotify is available internationally so it’s our problem too.
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u/quibbelz 4d ago
In America the performers do not get radio payments. Only the publisher and songwriter.
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The per-play royalty rate for songwriters is very small, around $0.0021 per listener or per spin, and varies by station revenue and play frequency.
Spotify
Spotify doesn't have a fixed pay-per-play rate, but typically pays artists an average of $0.003 to $0.005 per stream
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u/Choice-Bus-1177 5d ago
Why?
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u/nemojakonemoras 5d ago
At this point I don't even feel a need to explain as it's common knowledge. They fuck over artists, they fill their playlists with AI slop to make their royalties pool shallower, their CEO is investing millions in ill gotten gains into the war machine industry, many indie artists have pulled their music off the platform for these reasons.
It's time to abandon their turd ship.
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u/Plug-In-Baby 5d ago
I regret staying as long as I did on the Spotify platform. I’m much more content with Apple Music as a whole. Objectively better quality and pay for artists and the shuffle algorithm is much better than Spotify’s
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u/nemojakonemoras 5d ago
I’m on Tidal myself. I just took that one month trial period of Youtube Premium, it comes with YT Music so I’ll try it out.
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u/Rickety_Cricket_23 5d ago
I just switched to tidal but I can't connect it to my fire stick. I like the platform way better than Spotify.
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u/Plug-In-Baby 5d ago
I’m on a family plan for YouTube Premium (which is used religiously in my home) and I haven’t really loved the UX for YouTube music. Is there any killer feature that Tidal or YT Music offers that Apple Music doesn’t?
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u/imatmydesknow Concertgoer 5d ago
i feel like you are misinformed abouot spotify and how they pay out artists, you should look into that. and how many people work on big band/artist projects that all get a cut of the pie. that is what sucks about mainstream music, but a lot of money is pumped into those acts to make them big and earn big, so people who are a part of that also get a cut.
this doesnt even begin to touch on how much an artist should get paid for stream and how it benefits the artist to have their music readily available to anyone at anytime.
spotify is not perfect, but its no where near what you seem to think it is.
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u/goodusernamegood 5d ago
if they weren't trying to pay out as little as possible, they wouldn't fill their playlists with AI slop.
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u/ReplicantRoy 5d ago
They can thank me. I showed this to my 3yo this week and now I'm officially sick of Duality.
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u/Endless_Candy 4d ago
It’s interesting to hear this because I’d assume they’d have more streams just based on how big they were when they were released but then again streaming wasn’t as popular back then
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u/LouisArmstrong3 5d ago
Pop metal.
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u/RMCaird 5d ago
Popular metal? Sounds good to me, the more people who are into metal the better. The more people who know the bands I like, the more I can talk about them with others.
Not everyone gets off on being the only person in a room to know some obscure metal band that exclusively plays in 19/16 timing just because they can.
Liking things others also like is ok buddy.
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u/FartVirtuoso 5d ago
Ah, yes. The most metal thing one can do: categorize.
I mean, I listen to mostly tech death, but I’ve never once had the impulse to call out things that I find to be less “legitimate,” less heavy, or just more popular than that genre as fake metal or something. It’s just an odd way to spend one’s time.
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u/GigaSoup 5d ago
Pop is just short for popular.
Do you also think Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, and Pantera qualify as pop metal too?
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u/tequilasauer 5d ago
People can say what they want, but it's amazing what they've done in terms of popularity considering their earlier music and imagery. Iowa being a Platinum selling album is just crazy.