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Article Woman who accused rapper Nelly of rape tells police to drop investigation.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

I also investigate sex crimes. Even with the best of evidence it is incredibly difficult for us to obtain a conviction. Juries have a hard time with rape trials and ive seen not guilty verdicts even with positive DNA etc. As an added bonus the victim gets interrogated by a defense attorney and can feel revictimized. It's not an easy process for anyone involved.

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u/WGiK Oct 14 '17

There's a lot of garbage people in the world. I know someone currently going through a rape case against their husband. People can't get their heads around the fact people can be raped by their partners. Everyday I have to remind her I believe her.

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u/m7samuel Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 26 '17

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u/masterelmo Oct 14 '17

I don't think any legal system is good for that, it's just not simple.

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u/triplehelix_ Oct 14 '17

not only is it he said she said, there is also no shortage of false accusations which continue to do far far more damage then they are held accountable for.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

Our legal system is not very good at dealing with crimes whose criminality revolves entirely around the past frame of mind of two people in private.

As it should be.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

Sex crimes such as that have the additional burden of Domestic Violence which presents a whole new level of mental trauma for the victim. Keep supporting her.

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u/algag Oct 14 '17

The only thing DNA shows is that sex happened, right? Is that even contented in most cases?

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

Correct. I just shows a that sex occurred. Whether it was criminal or not is still subjective.

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u/Pressondude Spotify Oct 14 '17

Isn't this because the hardest part of the trial is often proving the lack of consent, rather than just proving that they had sexual contact? I mean, DNA evidence proves they had sex, but isn't it the case that a lot of times the defendant never denied that?

And in that case, it's easy to see why the victim feels like they're on trial.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

Sometimes it's hard to comprehend. Example we just had was a mom and boyfriend that had sex with their 6 YO girl and 4 YO boy, using them as props. Boyfriend pleaded out and got 18 years. It took to trials to convict mom. In the first trial 7 jurors wanted to convict. One said she could believe that a mom would do it. I think that the average person has a hard time believing that a sex act can be evil, but that's just my personal theory.

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u/Pressondude Spotify Oct 15 '17

Yeah, that's pretty unbelievable (the jurors reaction and the case).

The majority of sexual assault situations I'm exposed to (personally and professionally) center around college campus situations. In some cases it's very cut and dried, but in many cases it's not.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

ive seen not guilty verdicts even with positive DNA etc.

I'd expect you would, given the high count of women who've recanted their rape claim.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

Yeah. We get a lot of recanted statements with domestic violence cases as well. More than half.

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u/it2d Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

Yup. Let's get rid of the right to confrontation. Who cares about the Constitution when someone says they were raped.

Edit: because it's not clear, I was being sarcastic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

Hopefully this is a troll. Otherwise its an incredibly ignorant statement. I was falsely accused of rape. Imagine if i couldnt confront my accuser? My life was almost ruined in the first place from the ACCUSATION. Alone.

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u/textStandup Oct 14 '17

it2d was being sarcastic, and almost certainly shares your view.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

I'm glad you made the edit!

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u/Grasshopper21 Oct 14 '17

I think you don't understand science or juries very well. DNA is not dispositive.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

I think I understand far more than a short 10 sentence post allows you to think.

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u/Grasshopper21 Oct 14 '17

I think you actually dont. And I dont believe you actually investigate sex crimes. We can agree to disagree

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

by a defense attorney and can feel revictimized

Thank god the burden of proof exists to keep investigators like you from putting innocent men in jail for merely the accusation of rape.

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u/Parrothead1970 Oct 14 '17

Agreed. I just recently arrested a 16 YO girl for lying. I have seen many "guilty" men walk or simply not get procesuted.