out of his NBA world shaq is a great person though. he donates so much but it seems in his lakers years he donated more shit than kindness.

Babe Ruth is still considered like 3 players who can call GOAT and no one will question it. Other two are Bonds and Mays.

So why isn't Wilt still considered a GOAT?

1999 Rockets:

Cuttino Mobley, Michael Dickerson, Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon

2013 Lakers:

Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Metta World Peace, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard

https://www.businessinsider.com/shaq-allegedly-poured-buckets-of-his-poop-on-rookies-2022-3

I think we all agree with this. The real question is can Luka catch him?

Doubt Luka gets as many MVP’s. The lakers aren’t set to contend until Lebron retires which could be 1 or 2 more years. Luka is 27 in February. By the time Lebron leaves he could be 29 with no ring or MVP’s.

Thoughts?

Who would be better than? Is he a top 3 point guard today and where does he rank on the best players list.

This picture is legendary.

It’s crazy how good Jordan was despite playing in a physical era with no 3’s. Undisputed goat.

Rank them based on whatever you like. Peak, potential, where they rank now, etc…

I can't believe this is how fans treat Westbrook now. People act like he was never good, that he wasn't part of playoffs success of OKC in 2012-2016, that he pad his rebounds. Russ is only guy I know who gets criticize for getting uncontested rebounds, people act like he's not rebounding demon when he's already averaging almost 10 rebounds before his MVP season. You can criticize Russ game all you want but to rewrite his career to support your agenda is diabolical.

What do you notice?

What idea, in retrospect, will look obvious.

Example - hard close outs that have no shot at disrupting the shot aren’t nearly as costly as getting your defense stuck in rotations and close outs. A slightly less hard close out that allows the defender to stay in front of penetration only increases shooting percentage by a small margin, vs the increased success likelihood of the offensive possession by allowing a blow by.

Inspired to write this because of the ceaseless “all time” posts that have replaced BBall chat.

1: Went up against literally the 4 best records in the NBA: 62 win Spurs, 60 win Jazz, 59 win Suns, 57 win Magic. Basically average opponent was a 60 win team. This is the highest sustained opponent difficulty ever.

2: Did not have home court in any round as the sixth seed and won a record 9 games on the road.

3: Won back to back winner-take-all games on the road against the Jazz and then the Suns. In fact won two elimination games on the road against the Suns down 3-1 in an OT game 5 followed by game 7.

4: Went up 2-0 on the road against the number 1 overall seed Spurs in the conference finals, and proceeded to win every game in Texas.

5: Swept the finals against the 1 seed in the east Magic that beat Jordan (sort of).

I know we talk about best solo star ring, but this is up there with best team championship ever.

Besides the Bay Area connection and the four rings, I also feel like they are both offensive weapons that it’s impossible to overstate how impactful they are, but aren’t really in the goat conversation.