r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Glittery_WarlockWho • 28d ago

Why is Luigi Mangione potentially facing the death penalty for the murder of one person when other murderers with similar crimes get jain time?

Please no snarky comments of 'you know why' , 'it's because the guy was rich' etc... There HAS to be a reason why his crime is getting sentenced so heavily that doesn't have to do with the net worth of his victim, or at least I hope there is.

In my city, a drunk driver kills two people in a car and he's sentenced to jail for 20 years and gets out in 12 for good behaviour.

Luigi kills one man and is facing the death penalty?

I don't understand, he didn't kidnap, rape or torture, I've heard of murderers who rape and murder their victims get sentenced to jail.

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u/Xdddxddddddxxxdxd 27d ago

Would you support pre-meditated murder against a planned parenthood executive?

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u/sonofaresiii 27d ago

If you think the target shouldn't make a difference in how someone feels about murder, maybe just go ahead and make that argument instead of roundabout rhetorical questions

but before you do maybe consider that this entire country was founded on killing the people we felt were oppressing us, and many of us feel that health insurance execs are doing literally exactly that kind of oppression

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u/junglebunglerumble 27d ago

my god youre fucking mental if your actual position is that murder if ok as long as its against someone you feel is oppressing you

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u/Particular_Fan_3645 27d ago

Sir. Sir. You are delusional if you think it ISN'T. What the hell do you think war is?

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u/junglebunglerumble 26d ago

Luigi wasn't a soldier, he is a murderer of another US citizen who is rightfully being prosecuted for the crime. Dont gaslight with 'war' bullshit - is every murderer a solider at war or just the murderers you happen to agree with?

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u/Thehusseler 26d ago

So your stance, to be clear, is that killing is ok when it is legally sanctioned by the state, and not ok in all other situations?

This isn't an attempt to try and do a gotcha. I just wanna run through this to understand where you're coming from and add some clarity to the discussion.

For example, consider the following people:

Person A believes that killing is wrong, full stop. They are anti-war, anti-government, and also anti-extremist violence. This is a consistent stance.

Person B believes that killing is wrong when done by individuals, allowable when done by the government. This is inherently an inconsistent stance, as various governments are at odds with each other, laws are not inherently just, and nearly all governments were founded through revolutionary violence.

Person C believes that killing is right or wrong based on context. Killing a Nazi is fine, while killing a planned parenthood doctor is wrong, not because of the killing but because of the context. Like it or not, this can be a consistent stance too. Killing isn't the constant here, it's the contextual application of said killing.

Person D believes that killing is wrong, but also that killing people they disagree with is ok. This is obviously inconsistent. They will decry killing inherently but will support various killers, wars, etc. This often relies on an illusory belief in an objective rule of law and order.
The person you were responding, to what I could follow, was expressing the beliefs of Person C. Which is quite distinct from Person D, but that seems to be what you interpreted their comments as.

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u/Particular_Fan_3645 26d ago

Objective morality is not a thing, Class war is a thing, and yes, just the ones I agree with. Deal with it.

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u/Xdddxddddddxxxdxd 26d ago

Would you trade the life of a healthcare ceo for the life of a planned parenthood director? Both can be killed in the name of political violence against oppressors by different people.

We live in a time where people can change things without mob rule (violence). It’s the main reason society is more stable than ever before.

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u/Particular_Fan_3645 26d ago edited 26d ago

A) nobody is being oppressed by planned parenthood, they just don't like it because their politicians told them it's the devil. B) we live in a time where people can change things peacefully, but we no longer live in a place where that change is possible peacefully in a progressive direction, because all the keys to power are held by regressives. When that happens, peace stops being effective. Would peaceful protests against Nazi rule have been effective in Nazi Germany after the Night of the Long Knives? Not even remotely. We are there. Now. In this place.

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u/Particular_Fan_3645 26d ago

A) not opinion, they offer a service that can be denied by anyone with zero negative consequences, but people are capable of being WRONG about it, objectively, however I'll give you that one as people are just as willing to kill people who their religion disagrees with as they are actual mass oppressors.

B) we CANNOT undo most of the damage he has already done IN OUR LIFETIME, much less a few years. And it's not about passing laws, it is far, far more about making passing laws UNNECESSARY. His executive orders ARE LAW. he has stacked the Supreme Court with partisans for life. He has created his own private police force. His cronies own every national news conglomerate. His Supreme Court has abolished a number of constitutionally protected rights that we are simply not getting back in the near future because there's too much else to fix. He's dismantled numerous social services that took decades to create. He has undermined our international trade because nobody trusts us to honor a deal. He's alienated our foreign allies and emboldened our enemies, and WORST OF ALL, he has put the soul of our country for sale to the highest bidder. Maybe it always was, but now it's out there in the open. But even so, He isn't the entirety of the problem! It wouldn't go away with just him! You're literally living in a Dreamland if you think we will even be able to win 26, and that doing so would let us undo this damage.

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u/Xdddxddddddxxxdxd 26d ago

A) Opinion. Someone could easily believe planned parenthood oppresses people and healthcare ceos don’t.

B) This is larp based on emotions and online accelerationism ideology. Biden was able to accomplish many progressive things via the democratic process. Pretty pathetic that you’re willing to give up after 6 months. Keep in mind very few actual bills have been passed. If we get Dems in 26 and 28 the can easily undo 99% of the things Trump has done so far.