Where are the homeless supposed to go?

[u/Garey_Coleman]

Cities have been cracking down on homeless people so they can’t have encampments or stay on sidewalks. At the same time usually the shelters are full. So those who are unable to get into a shelter, where are they supposed to go?

[u/whatugonnadowhenthey]

Since no one is answering the question in good faith, I’ll give it a shot. Honestly, most cities don’t give a shit if a homeless guy is sleeping on a stoop or in a alley or something, it’s been part of living in a city for thousands of years. They care when dozens of them set up tent cities in public areas and start trashing them. That’s when it becomes a real problem because once a tent city is established, less regular folk go to the area, which leads to more homeless, which leads to less regular folk, which leads to businesses leaving, etc. etc.

So the answer to your question is out of open air drug dens and into more individual spaces that are less of an eye sore and quite frankly a danger to the community. Literally “disperse”.

[u/BeardedDisc → u/whatugonnadowhenthey]

Part of the answer here is that those “encampments” make it more “comfortable” (I get that’s it’s still a shit hole). Many people feel this removes much of the incentive to pull oneself out of this situation one way or another.

[u/Witty_Replacement969 → u/BeardedDisc]

For some encampments are safer. A single homeless female is almost always a target for rape if her sleeping place is discovered. One friend had a brick thrown at her while sleeping. I am one of the 'working poor' and do not do drugs, alcohol, and am not a criminal, and I have seizures, but I do not make enough to qualify for a safe rental (currently min. income for a cheap studio is 3x rent, plus 3 -12 month deposit, key deposit, etc.). It would currently take 2 roommates plus myself to rent a studio unit (this is all across my country). No LL will accept that. By safe I mean not filled with bed bugs, cockroaches, or a LL after sex, with a proper water and heat supply and a locking door.  Sudsidized housing is a decade long wait here. I'm waiting for medically assisted death now (available in my country), because I was doing everything the legal and correct way, and am a hard worker, but why should I >want< to work to enrich other people who want me to freeze to death in the winter while paying me minimum wage? These are the same people who would prefer I go die out of sight. I was in 3rd year of a Microbiology degree before becoming homeless. COL forced me to drop out to work. I have no family. I have no wealthy friends. I'm sick of running in your rat race and becoming worse off when I have never had the opportunities most of you take for granted. Food banks are only open 1 - 2 hours (when I work) so that I can not access them. I paid taxes from the age of 15, but to this country I am a piece of trash. 

Edit: The country is Canada.  I am not considered disabled enough for the Disability Tax Credit and Benefit. I am too old to qualify for most student programs and too young to qualify for any seniors. I do not qualify for any scholarships because I am not racially profiled, do not have dependents, am not the first person to go to university in my family, am not a refugee or asylum claimant, new immigrant, etc. and while I am a good student, I'm not a genius. If I do not >qualify< to live, what else can I do but at least have some control over my exit? For those going on about mental health: Therapy needs to be done from a place of physical stability due to issues that come up during it. A person living in survival mode should not be doing therapy other than coping skills. Also, it can cost $170/hr for proper treatment. That is not covered by provincial health.

[u/External_Tart_ → u/Witty_Replacement969]

Why not become a criminal? If you see death as the only way out, embrace free will. I'm sorry about your situation.

[u/PaisleyLeopard → u/External_Tart_]

This highlights a really good point. The situation we put people in causes crime, not the other way around as is generally assumed. Basically, we want to think that homeless people ‘deserve’ their situation because they’re all druggies and/or criminals—that way we don’t have to feel bad for the inhumane ways we deal with them. In reality, the majority of criminals and addicts started doing those things out of desperation, because they didn’t have better options. When we take care of people, they’re a helluva lot less likely to turn to crime or self medication.

[u/MotherofBook → u/PaisleyLeopard]

Which gets to the core of it all.

Most people don’t want to actually solve homelessness, drug problems or crack down on crime. They just want it to go away.

In reality. The way we fix these issues is by fixing the system that makes it possible to begin with.

• Universal Health Care: People won’t be going into debt because they got sick. People will have access to affordable pain relief, therapy and medication.

-Affordable Housing: Prevent companies from hoarding properties and jacking up prices. People should have to spend 2/3 of their monthly income of a roof over their head. One accident and they are on the streets.

-Cap Cost of living: Very simplified but for this point - CEOs shouldn’t be making Millions in a week and their lowest employees barely making a dime. I think CEOs shouldn’t be making more than 20-50% more than their lowest worker.

That would ensure people can afford to actually live

[u/clubby37 → u/MotherofBook]

I think CEOs shouldn’t be making more than 20-50% more than their lowest worker.

We need to find the Greedy Fuck Threshold.

If you set no limits, you have today's ever-decaying proto-hellscape.

If you set limits that are too tight, people will be too highly incentivized to work around them. Every system has weak points; the true art is balancing pressures such that the weak points never get stressed beyond capacity.

Greedy people are gonna get more. If the system doesn't allow it, they'll break the system. Based on nothing but my own stupid intuition, 1.5x won't cut it, and anything over 10x seems surplus to requirements. Not sure where the golden number is exactly, but if I found out that a pediatric oncologist made 10x as much as a carpenter, I'd probably tolerate it, and honestly, I'd be fine with 3x -- elegant coffee tables are great, but cancer-free children are better. If I were a greedy fuck, and I found out I could only make 10x as much as my janitors, I'd probably make a subreddit and bitch about it, but not do anything to jeopardize the 10x I'm already getting.

The Greedy Fuck Threshold is where the rich are just barely rich enough that it isn't worth risking what they already have to get more. We need to find it, and set taxes and minimum wages accordingly.