Where are the homeless supposed to go?

[u/Garey_Coleman]

Cities have been cracking down on homeless people so they can’t have encampments or stay on sidewalks. At the same time usually the shelters are full. So those who are unable to get into a shelter, where are they supposed to go?

[u/PaisleyLeopard]

This highlights a really good point. The situation we put people in causes crime, not the other way around as is generally assumed. Basically, we want to think that homeless people ‘deserve’ their situation because they’re all druggies and/or criminals—that way we don’t have to feel bad for the inhumane ways we deal with them. In reality, the majority of criminals and addicts started doing those things out of desperation, because they didn’t have better options. When we take care of people, they’re a helluva lot less likely to turn to crime or self medication.

[u/MotherofBook → u/PaisleyLeopard]

Which gets to the core of it all.

Most people don’t want to actually solve homelessness, drug problems or crack down on crime. They just want it to go away.

In reality. The way we fix these issues is by fixing the system that makes it possible to begin with.

• Universal Health Care: People won’t be going into debt because they got sick. People will have access to affordable pain relief, therapy and medication.

-Affordable Housing: Prevent companies from hoarding properties and jacking up prices. People should have to spend 2/3 of their monthly income of a roof over their head. One accident and they are on the streets.

-Cap Cost of living: Very simplified but for this point - CEOs shouldn’t be making Millions in a week and their lowest employees barely making a dime. I think CEOs shouldn’t be making more than 20-50% more than their lowest worker.

That would ensure people can afford to actually live

[u/ArmchairFilosopher → u/MotherofBook]

I think CEOs shouldn’t be making more than 20-50% more than their lowest worker.

Then one of two things happen: Nobody seeks out specific skills and there are no more brain surgeons, or every role and seniority level differentiates into its own separate company and you've just shifted the issue.

[u/MotherofBook → u/ArmchairFilosopher]

And why would that happen?

What would be preventing people from seeking out specific skills?

What would be preventing or detouring people from going into medical school?

[u/ArmchairFilosopher → u/MotherofBook]

Even with free education, the effort and hours are grueling for years on end, and there is no way you'll find enough altruistic people to satisfy the demand for such positions without additional motivation.

One cannot simply jump to a utopian vision of the future like you suggest. At least in Star Trek they had replicators.

[u/MotherofBook → u/ArmchairFilosopher]

Is it utopian? Or is that simply the excuse we’ve been given for why it “can never work”? And we are just eating it up.

People will still be driven to work in science, people will still be driven to work in healthcare, people will still be driven to work in education.

Being able to afford the basics in life will actually help boost our productivity as a whole.

People won’t have to work grueling jobs that don’t bring any satisfaction. They can actually follow their passion.

If they don’t want to work, they don’t have to. Who cares.

People who are lazy are lazy regardless of having access to affordable things or not. It changes nothing.

People who have passions will be able to lean into those. People who simply want to work to have money will be able to do so.

Simply I think those that think it’s “utopian” to care for each other, to provide the basics simply aren’t creative enough, or don’t understand how the people actually work.