r/Norway 5d ago

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u/fareedadahlmaaldasi 5d ago

I'm confused as to why there were no geologists or even geotech engineers that told them that it is a bad idea to build on top of clays (if it is actually clay). Given that it almost always fucking rains in Norway (and also snow), clay will obvi give.

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u/kaijoar 5d ago

When huge parts of Trøndelag and Østlandet are clay, where would you build the road?

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u/fareedadahlmaaldasi 5d ago

Did they do reinforcements at least?

I don't know the whole geology of that area and I never claimed so much so but if there's one thing, I wouldn't build it so close to that body of water.

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u/kaijoar 5d ago

They were actually working on reinforcing the area when this happened.

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u/fareedadahlmaaldasi 5d ago

I meant, before the building of the railway and/or road in this particular area. The earliest study about expansive clays re: swelling especially after flooding or fluid retention during raining is in the 2000s. I was asking about that, not reinforcements now that the road is built.

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u/kaijoar 5d ago

The railway was built 85-100 years ago, and the road has been in place for just as long (although it has been upgraded since). At that time we didn't know much about the risk, the first modern landslide that raised awareness about quick clay was in the seventies (Rissa-skredet). So there were probably no reinforcements during the initial building of the road. Later upgrades of the road has had limitations because of quick clay in the area.

There was plans for upgrades of the rail line in this area, and the work being done right as this happened (which probably was the triggering cause for the slide) was reinforcements for the railroad in preparation for this.

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u/fareedadahlmaaldasi 5d ago

Oh, then that makes sense.

At this point, I think the best solution is to find another place to build or connect the roads and railroad, perhaps behind that house in the picture, then treat and reinforce the clay before building something on top. Is there any possibility of doing this?

It being close to the water body as well doesn't really help. Drainage goes there so the clay kinda goes in that direction too, hence the 'slide'.

Just curious, btw.

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u/Braugech 4d ago

sadly, not many other areas in the area to actually build in, unless you want to up end and start a multimillion project. cuz there will most likely be quick-clay in that entire surrounding area, it just happens that was the weakest area,

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u/PM_ME_SAND_PAPER 5d ago

In the middle of a field? Farmers will get their panties in the world's biggest twist if you try and mess with their fertile soil.

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u/Kato1985Swe 4d ago

Verdalsraset? 116 døde

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u/kaijoar 4d ago

Rissaraset was the first that raised awareness, so that we started taking quick clay seriously and systematically mapping the risk when planning roads and infrastructure.