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u/AlexMoran-7 2d ago
Does it have to be a move ? It says one re-do. I choose re-do the game 7 overtime vs Pittsburgh
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u/chowder7 2d ago
So unfortunate, Sens vs Preds would have been such a unique series with the Sens having the upper hand. Even if Preds squeaked out the series to win the cup, at least would've been cool to see a new original Stanley Cup winner.
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u/Carlin47 2d ago
Penguins were just dream crushers for teams that had never won. San Jose, Nashville, Ottawa, I truly hope they experience 2 decades of darkness their fans deserve it
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u/Appropriate-Mark-739 2d ago
I was very confident that whoever won sens vs pens was winning the cup. Given it wasn't the outcome i wanted, it hurts a lot to think back to what could have been
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u/smallfrynip 2d ago
Trading Mark Stone.
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u/cwnorman 2d ago
I would even go further than that and say that not locking him up to a multi year contract the summer prior was a big mistake. The 1 year bridge deal that he got gave us very little leverage in a trade.
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u/TalithePally 1d ago
Calgary 🤝 signing a superstar to bridge deal instead of long term and they leave in a trade and soon win a cup 🤝 Ottawa
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u/ImUsingRedditNowOk 2d ago
Brent Wallace said Stone wanted to stay but Melnyk intervened.
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u/VesaAwesaka 2d ago
Apparently, team doctors told dorion and I would assume melnyk that stone's back was wrecked and that influenced them to not keep him.
Dorion said something to the effect of he didn't think stone would still be playing a few years back.
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u/Its_apparent 2d ago
And honestly, that's not a terrible business decision based on the best information available. Melnyk didn't make a ton of good hockey decisions, but I wouldn't fault him for that. I miss Ottawa Stoner, though. Vegas Stoner is a villain.
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u/coolhotcoffee 2d ago
Trading him wasn't really the problem. The crap return was the real issue.
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u/mackinder 2d ago
The crap return was because he held all the cards in negotiations, because Pierre from Orleans gave him an easy out with the contract from the summer before.
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u/XCIXcollective 2d ago
Please elaborate on ‘Pierre from Orleans’ 😂😂 I’ve never heard him referred to as that but it’s so damn fitting
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u/mackinder 2d ago edited 2d ago
He called into the TSN1200’s morning show with Ian Mendes and simmer by calling the gabriel pizza line and he was introduced that way. If you listened to the morning show regularly they used that as a sound bite they’d play frequently.
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u/XCIXcollective 2d ago
Lmfaoooooo
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u/mackinder 2d ago
He’s not a bad guy. Bit awkward but not unlikable.
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u/amach9 #18 - Stützle 2d ago
He should’ve stayed as a head scout or AGM
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u/mackinder 2d ago
Not his fault. He was put there because he was cheap, easy and truly wanted to be a success. He just wasn’t ready to be the top dog at this level. Outside of amateur scouting, he had no strengths outside the idea of locking up players he identified as core guys to long deals. We really were not a serious team.
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u/OttawaLegion 1d ago
Never would have taken that demotion, from all accounts he had his hands in everything and got rid of, or silenced, anyone that could challenge him for his throne.
Too much baggage for him to stay on - it’s also pretty telling that he hasn’t taken a position with anyone since he left Ottawa. Must have poisoned the water pretty badly in those final years. Im sure there’s a ton of behind the scenes stuff that people in the hockey community are aware of
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u/rotnotbot 2d ago
The crap return was because the Vegas knights broke nhl rules of tampering and made a deal with stone. So he only wanted to go there. We had no leverage because of that. They did this again this year with Toronto and somehow again escaped punishment.
Vegas knights certified trash org
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u/mackinder 2d ago
We had no leverage because of Stones contract. Regardless of the extension being agreed to ahead of time, his deal was expiring and he wasn’t coming back and EVERYONE knew when Dorion signed him to the bridge deal that it was incredibly risky.
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u/rotnotbot 2d ago
We had no leverage because he had basically already signed a deal with Vegas. So we could only negotiate with them
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u/mackinder 1d ago
He was a pending UFA. If the deal had fallen through he could have signed a deal in the summer and either stayed in Ottawa or we could have moved him to another team but he was a pending UFA. If you think agents don’t talk to teams about hypotheticals and interest for their clients who are pending UFA’s, well you’re wrong.
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u/Mauri416 #11 - Alfredsson 2d ago
Nah, dude supports the convoy and likes PP and rebel News. Happy he’s gone
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u/qwertyuijhbvgfrde45 2d ago
I hate PP as much as the next person, but he’s a great hockey player. I hate Marchand too, phenomenal hockey player
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u/sensfan4tic #28 - Giroux 1d ago
Oh who gives a fuck let people have their own views without being a dick about it. Has nothing to do with how he plays
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u/Mauri416 #11 - Alfredsson 1d ago
How about having views that don’t make you a dick? Sounds like you and stone may both suffer from lack of awareness on that front.
Also, if someone wants to wear their politics on their sleeve publicly, then they own it.
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u/sensfan4tic #28 - Giroux 1d ago
That's laughable and ironic. But if you'd rather paint one group with one brush and throw a public hissy fit over someone else's views, then go for it.
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u/Mauri416 #11 - Alfredsson 1d ago
Only one throwing a hissy fit is you. I was just stating a belief. You got upset by it. Now you’re trying to remake the brief exchange to colour it as you see fit. I guess we know where ya stood back then.
If someone who was an Ottawa resident wants to back the convoy despite what it did to us who reside in centretown, I’m gonna call ya out.
You want to back Rebel News? I have swamp land to sell ya.
It’s funny how the side that complains about cancel culture (boo cancel culture! But cancel CBC!) and limiting free speech, can only stand to live in an echo chamber.
Stone and Vegas ultimate were great fits. I would have been a lot more disappointed in learning about that stuff if he was still with us.
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u/sensfan4tic #28 - Giroux 1d ago
Hahah oh man, I didn't expect a whole paragraph of assumptions. Ok, if that's what you wanna think of me, then sure. I could do the whole back and forth thing and show you how you're also doing the things you're saying I'm doing, but I got stuff to do, and really, I don't care. Have a good day champ.
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u/Mauri416 #11 - Alfredsson 1d ago
Cool bro. I think you’d fit in better with Don Cherry and Doug Fords Leaf Nation they love gaslighting
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u/Own_Dimension_8823 1d ago
Or not trading him sooner. Should have gotten much more for him which they could have done with a year left on his deal.
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u/Alfie_For_Owner #71 - Greig 2d ago
Trading Stone for spare parts is the obvious one, but any of Dorion's gaffes would be great to pass on. If trading Dadonov to a team he had on his no trade list results in us forfeiting a 1st, that's sure gotta be up there. Having 1st instead of one year of Debrincat sure would have been nice as well. Or a 1st instead of one year of Chychrun. Dorion sure tried hard to mortgage the future to try and save his career didn't he?
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u/mackinder 2d ago
Spare parts? His name is Erik Brannstrom and it was a 1for1 deal where Petey Wheatstraw came out and declared it his proudest day as a GM. tool
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u/Alfie_For_Owner #71 - Greig 2d ago
Love Branny the player, but him being the cornerstone piece of that trade is appalling value. I refuse to believe that nobody would have given us a 1st + a blue chip prospect for Stone.
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u/mackinder 2d ago
Possibly the return would have been better if Pedro El Dorado was a better negotiator, but signing him to a 1 year bridge left him no leverage in negotiations. My issue is how he put US in a position of weakness and we all knew it was a huge mistake. And when he did it he told the fans that he was 💯 certain they’d get a long term deal done, and then traded the guy shortly after for a mid round 1st undersized defensmen with no NHL experience, and then tryied to sell us that as the greatest day of his life. frankly it’s insulting. Add all the other bad decisions and you have a bad GM. but tbh I don’t blame him at all for any of it.
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u/plaignard 1d ago
Ideally we’d just keep Stone, but knowing what we know now, that the sens weren’t going to extend him, make the trade in early September and get Nick Suzuki instead of Brannstrom.
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u/TrentSteel1 2d ago
Stone trade was not Dorion. Melnyk would not approve paying his deserved salary. It was forced on Dorion
Still should have got more, don’t get that part
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u/brighthat18 2d ago
When you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, and everyone knows it… you have no leverage. Everyone knew Stone wouldn’t sign here (thanks Melnyk), so you are immediately trading at a disadvantage. Or advantage if you’re the other GMs
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u/TrentSteel1 1d ago
Yes, but Dorion traded him weeks before the deadline. It was just dumb IMO. What he got was what I’d expect if all else fails at zero hour deadline day. He could have created a bidding war but didn’t wait
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u/brighthat18 1d ago
Do you remember Melnyk? He apparently called Alfie drunk and called him names to sign what he was given… then Alfie signed in Detroit like a week later. When you want to keep your job, you do what you’re told sometimes.
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u/TrentSteel1 1d ago
lol never heard the drunk thing, but I believe it. Yeah I’m not questioning D having to trade him. Just the rush doing it two weeks before deadline
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u/maritimeblue #18 - Stützle 2d ago
Not taking Peterka in 2020 for a start. It’s such a baffling decision even without the benefit of hindsight. The dude was Stützle’s linemate, clearly had lots of talent/upside and had chemistry with your projected star player pick that year. It was a no brainer to take a chance on.
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u/tadhkanturk18 2d ago
Alfie.
He'd earned whatever number he was asking. Unless he actually just wanted to see if grass was greener elsewhere, then he'd more than earned that choice as well. But if he wanted to stay, gotta be my pick.
Sure there's other moves, but outside of '07, I don't think Ottawa's ever been one "what if" move away from ever reaching the top yet - altho the Hasek comment is prob one I could be swayed on hah.
So with that in mind, why not right the biggest wrong and give the captain the proper curtain-call year, send him off with his red, black and gold flowers properly.
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u/MeanMrKetchup9 2d ago
I know Alfie is an easy one but that was more than 10 years ago 😭
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u/tadhkanturk18 1d ago
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeaaaaa I saw that about twenty mins after I'd posted haha. I'd saw this post in other subs and clearly never took the time to read it properly!
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u/Own-Dragonfruit-6164 2d ago
Zbanajed for Brassard.
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u/ceribaen 15h ago
I still say we never see the Zibanjed that the Rangers got for a few years. And Brassard was big enough for us for the time we had him.
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u/6beerslater #15 - Heatley 2d ago
Committing to the Taylor Hall for Cody Ceci, if there was any truth to it
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u/Lpreddit 2d ago
Allowing Hasek to go to the Olympics
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u/Empty-Discount5936 2d ago
Gotta be in the last 10 years
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u/Lpreddit 2d ago
It wasn’t? God I’m getting old
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u/MooseFlyer 2d ago
And then not re-signing him the next year.
He put up a .923 in the 2007 playoffs for the Red Wings. Emery has a .907 with us.
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u/FatTim48 2d ago
The players hated him for not playing. He would practice, look great, then not play. They begged him to play and he didn't.
There was zero chance they'd keep him after that
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u/Kingsmen99 2d ago
I have insider info that tells me hasek was perfectly okay to play during the first round, maybe even before the playoffs but he was too nervous to play and didn’t want to start.
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u/Phoenixerst 2d ago
I think for me it has to be one of the two trades for DeBrincat and Chychrun. Just a waste of draft capital before they even sniffed at the playoffs. It’s too early to say who’s the standout guys on the board from those drafts, I just know in a few years there will be names the franchise could have had.
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u/Extension-Leg7933 2d ago
Boucher. If we don’t trade Mark Stone then we don’t get our current core. I love our current core. Replace Boucher with someone else and we add someone better to our core
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u/LurkerDude0 2d ago
Lots of valid answers here but haven’t seen Gus for a geriatric, expiring goaltender in Talbot. We gave away a now top tier NHL starter for fucking nothing. Just an absolutely mind boggling bad transaction.
I’m very happy with Ullmark now, but if we had Gus we go out and use those assets to get better up front or whenever else needed.
There was just no reason at all to do it. We weren’t ready to “compete”, Gus was still very young and had yet to play in front of any sort of competent d corps, and we had Forsberg as well who had shown himself very capable as an NHL starter in a tandem situation.
Just a fucking awful, awful transaction.
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u/Own_Dimension_8823 1d ago
Gus wasn’t exactly great for us before that trade either though. The team just didn’t have the defence and our goalies took the brunt of it. I think the Wild defence was able to allow Gus to shine a little brighter.
Still would have been better than Talbot or Korpisalo though.
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u/LurkerDude0 1d ago
He wasn’t great but also wasn’t terrible. There was no reason to give up on him at that point, especially for a 35 year old UFA. We essentially gave Gus away for nothing. It’s just next level atrocious asset management.
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u/mackinder 2d ago
There really is only one answer here and it’s the spring of 2016 when Bryan Murray announced his illness and that he was stepping down, and the answer to replace him was to promote Dorion. No search for a replacement, promote from within. Melnyk wanted a cheap and easy option who he knew he could manipulate, and so they signed him to a contract as the new GM and that had a butterfly effect that destroyed any credibility we had as a serious franchise.
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u/FatTim48 2d ago
Being pissed and not drafting Vasilevskiy because he got a sunburn at Calypso and skipped his pre-draft meeting with the Sens.
Sens took Cody Ceci in the 2012 draft....
Edit. That was over 10 years ago...
In the last 10 years, it would be Melnyk not selling the team anytime between 2015 and 2018
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u/LearningBoutTrees 2d ago
Trading Turris for Duchene… that was the clear beginning of the end of that era. Go back further? Letting Chara walk.
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u/XXXKStar 2d ago
Turris completely fell off a cliff after so it was a good time to sell, just got the wrong guy.
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u/spencerr13 2d ago
Brannstrom for Stone is obvious, but this current iteration of the team needed Peterka over Jarventie.
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u/getsangryatsnails 2d ago
Gotta pick one that wouldn't affect us getting stu and sandy. Gonna say debrincat or the dadonov fiasco. Losing firsts sucks. At least we have Jensen from chychurn.
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u/Last_Positive1533 1d ago
Trading Gus the bus, who is now one of best goalies. What happened between losing both him and D’accord is baffling
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u/fraserinottawa 2d ago
Tkachuk-Stutzle-Stone would be really nice.
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u/Its_apparent 2d ago
In your heart, you know it wouldn't work. Stone makes Brady look like Usain Bolt. Timmy would drink himself to death.
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u/KanataRef 2d ago
Melnyk buying the team.
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u/FatTim48 2d ago
Nah man. He saved the team when he bought it.
He just didn't sell it. The real problem was that he didn't sell it around 2018.
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u/KanataRef 2d ago
Ya, I was hesitant to put his name up because the beginning was good and there literally was nobody else. The end was just so bad. Maybe the team is moved if he didn’t step in.
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u/unlicouvert 2d ago
at least debrincat and chychrun provided a year of mid level play, drafting tyler boucher meant paying a first round pick to get nothing at all. Plus drafting coronato would've fixed so many of our scoring depth problems
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u/FatTim48 2d ago
I was very very wrong in some drafts. I admit that I wanted Zadina over Brady.
But I REALLY wanted Coronato. And we got Boucher.
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u/Constant-Squirrel555 2d ago
Trading Zibby for Brassard.
It was a downgrade in so many ways and only doesn't look even worse because EK carried us hard.
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u/OctoArtist80 2d ago
Mark stone trade is for sure one but I’ve got two honourable mentions, Hoffman trade, Mikael was decent but we gave away a 30 goal scorer, the other is the Tablet for Gustavsson trade, self explanatory
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u/CeedeeNumber88 #18 - Stützle 1d ago
Debrincat. Yes we needed a top line winger but without knowing he'd in interesting in re-signing or not was just a stupid ass trade. What's even worse is Dorion loved Kasper so we would've had Kasper for the next 10 years and not the stupid midget for 1 year. Not to mention the #39 pick and a future 3rd that we added.
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u/Adventurous_Area_735 1d ago
Probably shouldn’t have traded Dadonov, or could have disclosed the no trade clause.
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u/harkie2946 1d ago
Just outside of 10 years, but I will say it. Not a player, but a coaching decision.
Give Mick Malthouse a 2-year coaching extension after winning 2010 flag. I think we would have won 2011 and been very strong following year . Just as importantly would not have had to endure Buckley, he is the gift that keeps giving, he still manages to annoy, with his arrogance,as a fox commentator
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u/ggranger2280 22h ago
Trading Zibanejad for Brassard. While Brassard was decent, the Sens gave up on Zibanejad too quickly.
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u/ceribaen 15h ago
Colin White getting 6x4.75M happened in the past 10 years and we've been up against the cap since.
Though his draft was also in the past 10, where we could have taken Konecny instead.
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u/Josefstalion 2d ago
I'm going to say the Chychrun trade
Drafting Zach Benson or ASP in 2023 completely changes the outlook of this team going forward, along with the 2024 2nd that would've been really nice
I don't think Jensen is enough to make up that loss
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u/ReferenceAny778 2d ago
The summer of Pierre turned into the fall of the Sens, only good thing was Giroux, Signing Korpi as a free agent goalie for 5 years, how has no one mentioned this?? Our goaltending was atrocious, Korpi couldn’t stop a beach ball and neither could Foresy, also hiring DJ Smith and never firing him?? Like Helloooo, Dorion could be a great scout but also could be a imbecile GM, Stone for Branny as his best day ever as a GM, Melynk pullling the strings for Dorion, Bobby Boucher with our first round pick “way off the board” we were basically a Mickey Mouse operation for a decade, trading first round picks like candy, Debrincat, Liver King, square peg round hole trades. Loosing a first round pick because of that Dadenov Vegas trade, or trading Gus the Bus for Talbot. Thank god for Andlauer and Staios, Mendes back working for the Sens and stability in our organization. Those were some tough tough years. Picking Brady, Sand Man, Pinto and Jimmy Stu saved us, Dorion and Mann brothers didn’t do all wrong but man Dorion as GM and Melnyk as owner, DJ Smith as the coach and our skeleton staff nearly sunk this franchise.
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u/Complete_Direction69 4h ago
Don’t let buddy leave, I was only 11 when he left hawks so I can’t really remember the circumstances so not sure if this applies here
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u/Empty-Discount5936 2d ago
Well Boucher is the obvious one for draft pick. Honorable mention to Logan Brown.