The pups carry their food in and their dookie out. Thanks for your concern. These trails were wonderfully empty, especially considering it was a holiday weekend.
It's not that complicated. Their food is in multiple ziplock freezer bags. As those become empty, I use them to double bag the dookie, no smell, no mess. Also, it was quite cool for most of the weekend. Only warm day was yesterday as we descended to the Chatter Creek trailhead, where it was about 85°. I would never take my dogs backpacking in 100° heat.
Hey dude, please remember that you share this space with everyone. Your dogs, while beautiful, belong on trail. (Where allowed) That’s for your safety, other people’s safety, and frankly theirs as well.
And honestly I’m kinda pissed off because I JUST double checked their policy for dogs in Steven’s pass, and they are PROHIBITED. I don’t really give a flying fuck if Chatter Creek allows ON LEASH dogs, but you started in a location where they are prohibited. Honestly, do fucking better.
Edit: after looking through your profile, I’m surprised you even think that you are..growing up?? Because it’s pretty basic ass principles to follow trail rules. But trails doesn’t seem to be the only place you violate state and federal law…
This is the same person who takes photos of his dogs swimming in the water at Seattle beaches even though off leash dogs aren't allowed at Seattle beaches. No regard for the rules or -- more importantly -- concern for why the rules exist in the first place.
Yeah, I noticed that also. There are some more trails he’s shared with his dogs that are also prohibited for animals. So like, I’m not surprised. Unfortunately, people are more often more concerned with themselves than to realize there are often extremely valid reasons for trail rules (and most rules honestly).
Ironic to see him complaining about the crowds at Colchuck Lake with their garbage and Bluetooth speakers despite engaging in exactly the type of rule-breaking obnoxious behavior.
Edit: OP says "...growing up is optional" and it is clear he has not
I get why people are upset about dogs off leash and yes dogs are not allowed at Stevens Pass on the mountain where people ski:
"Pets are not allowed on mountain at Stevens Pass. This allows for increased safety, especially outside of normal resort operating hours when snowmobiles and snowcats are present to prepare and maintain the mountain."
However dogs are allowed in Mount Baker Snoqualmie NF and surrounding wilderness areas. That includes parking at the trailhead and bringing you your dog on trail. Dogs just have to be on leash. While I agree about dogs being on leash maybe do your research!
Can you provide a source that says dogs are prohibited on the PCT at Stevens Pass, which is the only trail that leads to Chatter Creek? I've hiked the area many times and never saw a full prohibition of dogs on federal recreational land in areas like that other than very specific areas like The Enchantments and National Parks (WA examples).
Sure, dogs are not permitted in other areas at Steven Pass Resort (and trails like the mountain bike trails and other resort trails).
Honestly I’m getting a lot of conflicting answers. Most say no, not at all. Section K does state it allows ON LEASH dogs with leads no longer than 6 feet. At most, he’s brought dogs to a prohibited area, at minimum, he’s still allowed them off leash and is breaking the law.
Dogs are allowed on the entire PCT in Washington, including through North Cascades National Park. Leash requirements vary by ranger district and wilderness area rules.
I agree on the leashing where required; just want to put out factual information.
No, they aren't. There are no PCT-specific laws about dogs. It depends on the area the trail passes through. For instance, you cannot take dogs on the PCT when it goes through (most?) national parks.
When dogs are allowed, they often should be leashed.
When dogs are off leash, they should be under control.
People really need to do their research before they come screaming with pitchforks. Dogs are 100 percent allowed in the section that you hiked. In fact they are allowed in all national forests, with some exceptions in certain areas. People here screaming that dogs are not allowed at Stevens Pass are idiots. They just aren't allowed on the resort. However you kind of dug yourself a hole with this one posting pictures of dogs off leash (great photos and cute dogs btw). This sub is just completely insufferable. I bet more than half of the people who come here preaching LNT don't even dig six inch cat holes and don't even pack their TP out.
I was on trail a few days ago getting ready to filter water from a small stream-fed puddle after a long hot climb. Suddenly a family of day hikers came around the bend heading the other way. Their off leash dog ran around the entire trail junction area before we ever saw its owners, then jumped in the puddle and kicked up a bunch of mud.
The dog ruined that water source for myself, my friends, and the PCT thru-hiker also resting nearby. It was 5.5 miles to the next water source.
This douche sadly doesn’t care about anyone else but himself, including people who hiked responsibly and actually need water and people who pack their dog shit out of the hike. I bet he didn’t even notice that he saw or heard zero wildlife because he’s too busy taking photos of his dumb dogs from the REI catalog and completely not understanding the whole point of nature. But he got internet likes and it sounds like his ego is so small he needs them…hope someone reports him
Oh thank god. It sounds like you made it. What an ordeal. I’d probably just die if someobe stirred up the water source. Or I had to drink from a billabong, or squeeze water from moss on the side of sefrit, or suck up water from a gross ass puddle on the side of Stuart… or you now any woods stuff I’ve done across the years.
... are you trying to impress me with how hardcore you are? If so, calm down and go seek validation offline.
This is a hiking subreddit. It is reasonable for hikers to expect other hikers to keep water sources clean and usable. Indeed, that is one of many reasons why dogs are supposed to be controlled by their owners.
Dogs are generally permitted to hike on U.S. Forest Service trails. They are allowed off leash on most of these trails.
Exceptions are most trails within designated wilderness areas. For example, most of the area north of I-90 and south of Highway 2, and west of Stevens Pass, is a wilderness area and dogs are required to be on a leash.
There are a few wilderness areas where dogs are not allowed at all, like the Enchantments area and Ingalls Lake Trail near Leavenworth.
Here are few popular National Forest Service trails where dogs are NOT allowed to be off leash:
Snow Lake Trail 1013
Granite Mountain Trail 1016
Ira Spring – Mason Lake Trail 1038
Melakwa Lake Trail 1011
Denny Creek Trail 1014
Pratt Lake Trail 1007
Pacific Crest Trail 2000
West Fork Foss Trail 1064
Necklace Valley Trail 1062
For more trails within the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest where dogs are required to be on leash, check out this page.
I couldn’t find a similar list for the Oakanogan-Wenatchee National Forest but will keep looking.
However, ther website says, “Dogs are allowed on most trails but must be on leash on certain trails, and under control at all times.”
I assume – and, yes, it is an assumption based on my experience working with the Forest Service and the fact that most Forest Service land rules are the same or very similar – that dogs are also allowed off leash in the Oakanogan-Wenatchee National Forest unless the posted rules say otherwise or the trails are within a designated wilderness area.
Please also remember dogs are prohibited in the Enchantment Permit Area and Ingalls Lake area of Alpine Lakes Wilderness, except for Service Dogs as defined by Department of Justice regulations 28 C.F.R. Part 35.136.
If the trail you want to hike is not on this list, you are allowed to hike with your dog off leash (unless rules change, which I am not in control of).
I mean short of calling the NFS and asking him stuff I’m finding online seems to be this was probably fine to have them off leash as long as they are under tight control.
Dogs are generally permitted to hike on U.S. Forest Service trails. They are allowed off leash on most of these trails.
Exceptions are most trails within designated wilderness areas. For example, most of the area north of I-90 and south of Highway 2, and west of Stevens Pass, is a wilderness area and dogs are required to be on a leash.
There are a few wilderness areas where dogs are not allowed at all, like the Enchantments area and Ingalls Lake Trail near Leavenworth.
Here are few popular National Forest Service trails where dogs are NOT allowed to be off leash:
Snow Lake Trail 1013
Granite Mountain Trail 1016
Ira Spring – Mason Lake Trail 1038
Melakwa Lake Trail 1011
Denny Creek Trail 1014
Pratt Lake Trail 1007
Pacific Crest Trail 2000
West Fork Foss Trail 1064
Necklace Valley Trail 1062
For more trails within the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest where dogs are required to be on leash, check out this page.
I couldn’t find a similar list for the Oakanogan-Wenatchee National Forest but will keep looking.
However, ther website says, “Dogs are allowed on most trails but must be on leash on certain trails, and under control at all times.”
I assume – and, yes, it is an assumption based on my experience working with the Forest Service and the fact that most Forest Service land rules are the same or very similar – that dogs are also allowed off leash in the Oakanogan-Wenatchee National Forest unless the posted rules say otherwise or the trails are within a designated wilderness area.
Please also remember dogs are prohibited in the Enchantment Permit Area and Ingalls Lake area of Alpine Lakes Wilderness, except for Service Dogs as defined by Department of Justice regulations 28 C.F.R. Part 35.136.
If the trail you want to hike is not on this list, you are allowed to hike with your dog off leash (unless rules change, which I am not in control of).
Why do you do this so consistently in this sub? You have to frame it so delicately not to get blatant hate and always get told the same things regardless. It’s obviously not cool and you’re as bad as those blasting music obnoxiously, etc. Stay in the city, stop trampling delicate growth and risking your pet’s lives for your perception of their freedom.
Underline recommended. I do this too, I’m not offended, but I’m in Indiana and I’m a big believer in LISTENING TO THE FACTS. Not safe, trample slow growing plants, endangering animals with feces, potentially disturbing balances we already as a species disturb. I regard myself as better than those who blatantly disregard our love for natural resources and beauty, and as such do everything and anything I can to protect the best of it. I take my dog off-leash down reclaimed corn field trails. Anywhere else he doesn’t go or stays on compacted dirt not walking through growth. Not in the last of our relatively untouched wilderness. You’re as bad as those who throw trash in the woods, don’t pick up feces, etc. Because you hold your own ignorance to be higher than the science, facts, and recommendations of those who should be listened to. But you’re going to stay ignorant I would assume, this being the 1000th post you’ve made doing just that. I implore you to set aside your ego and pride and just think; why would I want your dogs to be unhappy? Or you? I’m not just saying this for my own sake! I live in Indiana, your actions don’t affect me in any way. Facts are facts.
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. Make the choice, grow up.
Glad to see you and the pups were able to run free in the great outdoors.
I get the argument for dogs on a leash in downtown Olympia, but the mountains call dogs the same way they call us, let them run free.
I have a bunch of different packs for the pups. The red pack on Rio the Golden is from 'Tuf Pupper" and the black pack carried my Marley the Pocket Pyr is from "Himal"
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u/TheNakedEdge 6d ago edited 6d ago
Must have been a lot of work digging and burying dog poop in cat holes through all that alpine wilderness.
Probably almost as much effort as posting these same pics to 4 different online forums after complaining that trails that get too much traffic...